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Old 05-10-2007, 04:54 PM   #481
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Update - SubFolders version 200

This might be slightly faster in scrolling. I had an epiphany this morning and I went back and simplified the code.

I also fixed some logic errors that were present in the code. I dont think it will change anything, but now the path to each step makes more sense.

Finally, I also added some more debug points to try and help solve some issues.

dlfl I am not giving up on you. I am still willing to try and solve your issue if you are willing to tinker some more with me. If you could install Subfolder 8.3 and repost your debug file that would help. It was lacking some information for me before. Hopefully this will help me figure out what is happening.
Absolulutely, will do! (As soon as I can get to it this evening) Thanks!

Will probably post the debug file (and perhaps cut-n-paste from command window) as attachments, since they get pretty large for a post. Any problems with that? BTW, do you think re-booting my TiVo before testing further is advisable?
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Old 05-10-2007, 05:01 PM   #482
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Update - SubFolders version 200
Just FYI:

I installed this version, and I am able to browse and watch shows from subfolders (have tried up to 3 deep, as thats all the further I have things stored).

This is on a 140 tivo (S2 60 hour) and on a 590 (humax 80 hour)

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Old 05-10-2007, 05:51 PM   #483
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I'm confused.
As I understand it, when you tried it "my way" you observed:
Isn't that the desired result if your source is a 4:3 VOB and your TV is 4:3 ? (Why would you want black bands at sides or top/bottom in that case?)
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No, the vob that I've been working with is 720x480 (fairly standard widescreen DVD AR, I think?). The defaults that pyTivo (and & Tivo.net, by the way) uses to transcode a 720x480 video to fit a 4:3 television screen has two problems (at least with my TV & my Tivo):
1. The left and right sides of the video on the TV are beyond the screen limits by about 8% on the left and another 8% on the right. In other words, the picture is cut off on both sides.
2. The video is distorted slightly (didn't try to figure how much) in that the picture is 'squeezed' so that things look too elongated. For example, people are stretched & seem too tall.

By padding the top, bottom, left & right as I did with my custom code, I got the picture to look exactly the same on the TV whether played through the DVD player or my Tivo. Whoo-hoo

I couldn't have done it without your help. Thanks again.
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Old 05-10-2007, 06:42 PM   #484
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dlfl I am not giving up on you. I am still willing to try and solve your issue if you are willing to tinker some more with me. If you could install Subfolder 8.3 and repost your debug file that would help. It was lacking some information for me before. Hopefully this will help me figure out what is happening.
Did it. Before I rebooted my TiVo I could go into subfolders but they were all empty. This produced debug1.txt and CommandWindow1.txt in the attached zip.

After rebooting, everything worked fine (I only have one level of subfolders), except if I tried to left-arrow out while a subfolder video was transcoding (so I could cancel the transfer), the NPL was messed up. It would say the folder I was just in was empty, for example.

In general, I had to use a "work around" (enter key followed by left arrow) to get the NPL back in shape -- fairly often -- however this was not all that unusual even before 8.3 and it's not a major pain IMHO.

The stuff after rebooting is more extensive and is in debug2.txt.

Looks like a major step forward! (I'm now wishing I had tried the NPL work around BEFORE I rebooted -- that might have been all that it needed.)

Thanks again!
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Old 05-10-2007, 07:14 PM   #485
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No, the vob that I've been working with is 720x480 (fairly standard widescreen DVD AR, I think?). The defaults that pyTivo (and & Tivo.net, by the way) uses to transcode a 720x480 video to fit a 4:3 television screen has two problems (at least with my TV & my Tivo):
1. The left and right sides of the video on the TV are beyond the screen limits by about 8% on the left and another 8% on the right. In other words, the picture is cut off on both sides.
2. The video is distorted slightly (didn't try to figure how much) in that the picture is 'squeezed' so that things look too elongated. For example, people are stretched & seem too tall.

By padding the top, bottom, left & right as I did with my custom code, I got the picture to look exactly the same on the TV whether played through the DVD player or my Tivo. Whoo-hoo

I couldn't have done it without your help. Thanks again.
You're very welcome!

I can't resist preaching about AR some more. NTSC DVD's of any DAR (display AR) are typically encoded to dimensions of 720x480, i.e., whether intended for widescreen or 4:3 display. There is AR signalling data in the file that tells the display device what DAR is required. Note that 720x480 is 1.5:1 which doesn't match either 16:9 (1.77:1) or 4:3 (1.33). The display device knows from the DAR signaling how to stretch or compress the video horizontally, and how to letterbox or pillorize if necessary so the active video is at the desired DAR and uses the available screen efficiently. Unfortunately pyTivo can't get the DAR signalling info from the input file so it has to guess based on encoding dimensions and whether you have aspect169 set true or not. For display of 16:9 on a 4:3 TV, the size argument for ffmpeg needs to be 720xXXX where XXX is 480 scaled down by the ratio of the DARs. For 16:9 and 4:3, XXX is (1.33/1.77) times 480 = 360. Then top and bottom pads (letterboxing) of 45 each are needed so the total output height comes out to 480. The fact that 720:360 is not 4:3 or 16:9 does not matter. The 720 could also be 544 or 480 (whatever is one of the standard widths for your TiVo) and the displayed picture would come out the same AR. Basically the TiVo is just stretching or shrinking those pixels horizontally to the equivalent of 640 pixels at the display (640:480 = 4:3).

Thus you need -s 720x360 (or -s 544x360 or -s 480x360) plus -padtop 45 , -padbottom 45, and -aspect 4:3. The pad numbers may need to be multiples of 2 so use 44 and 46. There isn't any way for pyTivo to know the right thing to do in this case. Fortunately most non-mpeg2 video formats use square pixels (most of the time) so you can just assume DAR = ratio of encoding dimensions, as pyTivo does.

Well that's what I think, anyway. It does get complicated doesn't it!
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Old 05-10-2007, 08:44 PM   #486
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bitrate question

Ok so this is my first post in this thread but first I would like to acknowledge the hard work that has been put into this program it has definitely been enormous time saver (coming from Videora TivoConvert).

After editing some of the transcoding options to my liking (namely hardcoding in specific padding on 4:3 content to properly see subtitles that were being cut off on my tv) I have noticed that some video files do not properly obey the bitrate setting of 4096 kb/s and are varying in the 1500-2000 kb/s speeds. It only happens with a few video files but it seems random as all my videos are the same type of video (divx). No matter how many times I cancel the transcode and restart it these particular files never reach the full 4096 kb/s bitrate, which makes for a very poor video on my TiVo.

Having reached my abilities already with changing the padding options I am not sure how to analyze the problem and hope some one would have better information on this issue.

BTW this is something I saw with Videora as well periodically so it is possible that it may be some issue within FFMPEG.

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I've seen this too, but I haven't noticed the lower video quality. What I think happens is ffmpeg finds it doesn't need the full bitrate to encode with good quality. It's always seemed to happen for input videos that had low quality. In the command window while transcoding there is a last line output by ffmpeg that is continuously updated. Toward the left end is a q value that fluctuates. This is a measure of how well ffmpeg thinks it is capturing the quality of the input. Lower values mean better quality and usually when I see sub-target output bitrates, this q value is bouncing around 2 or less.

However, ffmpeg shouldn't lower bitrate below target if it isn't capturing the quality of the input. Maybe there is a problem with its bitrate control (or how it computes the q value).

My TV is a mediocre quality 27" so maybe that's why I don't notice the quality degradation.
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Old 05-11-2007, 02:08 AM   #488
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I have noticed that some video files do not properly obey the bitrate setting of 4096 kb/s and are varying in the 1500-2000 kb/s speeds. It only happens with a few video files but it seems random as all my videos are the same type of video (divx). No matter how many times I cancel the transcode and restart it these particular files never reach the full 4096 kb/s bitrate, which makes for a very poor video on my TiVo.
This is a function of ffMpeg I am afraid. Ages ago(It seems like ages now) we struggled with trying to force ffMpeg to a specific bitrate. After hours of tampering I discovered you can't.

Someone mentioned it earlier, but yes the answer is that simply the videos just cant get any better. Here is a test you can try: If have a file that is not filling all 4mbps encode it and determine the overal bit rate after the file is done. Now do the same file but set ffMpeg to 8mbps, you should end up with roughly the same bitrate. I think this is a function of ffMpeg's speed, I really dont know.

Sorry nothing we can do on our end.
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Old 05-11-2007, 06:42 AM   #489
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Also, if you are talking about a DivX file for a 40 minute show that is 300 MB, then transcoding it up to a bitrate that makes it take up 1200 MB isn't giving you higher quality, it's just making it bigger. Why bother to do that?

(I use a low bitrate because my home wireless isn't up to the task of sending higher quality in real time, and because the source is often low bitrate)

I must say I'm always pleased with how much better stuff looks on my TV than on my computer, particularly really low res stuff from youtube.
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This is a function of ffMpeg I am afraid. Ages ago(It seems like ages now) we struggled with trying to force ffMpeg to a specific bitrate. After hours of tampering I discovered you can't.

Someone mentioned it earlier, but yes the answer is that simply the videos just cant get any better. Here is a test you can try: If have a file that is not filling all 4mbps encode it and determine the overal bit rate after the file is done. Now do the same file but set ffMpeg to 8mbps, you should end up with roughly the same bitrate. I think this is a function of ffMpeg's speed, I really dont know.

Sorry nothing we can do on our end.
OK, well I thought this might be the case. Thanks.
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Old 05-12-2007, 11:13 AM   #491
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Hello,

I tried to get pyTivo going on my Intel iMac, but I was having issues with the ffmeg binary which is alluded to in the installation documents found in the Wiki. I have included steps to compile a version of ffmpeg which is relatively straightforward and further helped me resolve the issues I had.

My pyTivo instance works like a champ now(save for the issues with navigating through sub directories, which seems more like a Tivo SW issues rather than anything to do with pyTivo).

My apologies in advance if I was not supposed to edit the wiki. Please let me know if anybody here needs any further assistance in getting pyTivo to work in their Macs.

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Old 05-13-2007, 11:30 AM   #492
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My apologies in advance if I was not supposed to edit the wiki. Please let me know if anybody here needs any further assistance in getting pyTivo to work in their Macs.
No apologies needed. That is why it is a wiki, if you figure something out please tell everyone else.

As for your subfolders issue, you should try the subfolders branch. The most recent zip is pytivo-subfolders-8.3-200.zip. I think it will work for you without any issues.

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Old 05-14-2007, 10:46 PM   #493
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So what do you do when Python just stops working for no reason?
I have uninstalled it, installed the newest version, etc.. But I just get a blank box when I start pytivo.py. Just stopped working while I was playing with the newest version of pyTivo.
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Are you sure it isn't running? Sometimes I get a blank command window at first until the TiVo sends a message. In other words, have you checked the NPL?

Will Python run at all? On your Python submenu start "Python (command line)". A command window should pop up with a ">>>" prompt. Enter "a=3" then "print a". It should print "3".

Make sure no Python-based programs or services are running, then open Task Manager and look for python.exe on the Processes tab. It should not be there. If it is, my theory is you have a rogue python process running and it's blocking starting up any other python process -- just a theory. If it's there, select it and click the End Process button.

Have you been running pyTivo as a service? If so look on the MyComputer | Manage | Services list. Maybe a pyTivo service was left running (?). (If so stop the service and you probably need to uninstall it -- not sure because I don't run pyTivo as a service.)

Beyond this, my only thought is there is something left in your Registry from the previous Python installations that needs to be removed.

Edit: Yeah, the firewall should have been my first thought (see next post). You should be able to leave it running if you just open up the port that pyTivo uses (as set in pyTivo.conf). This applies to either software or hardware firewalls.
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Old 05-15-2007, 11:09 AM   #495
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Hello Cheezwiz,

I was walking through a family member with their pyTivo setup in Windows, we had a similar issue and I noticed that there was a firewall program which was holding up pyTivo from broadcasting. The moment we shut down the firewall, pyTivo was up and the Tivo noticed it.

I do have a question about the Mac though. Is there anyway to start up pyTivo in verbose mode to see what is going on ? I was working on my brother's Mac yesterday.

When I start up the pyTivo in his desktop, nothing happens in the prompt and neither do I see anything showing up on his TiVos.

Any thoughts?

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Note: SubFolders version 200 running with a 140 tivo (S2 60 hour upgraded to 180gig)

Just a note. If I use this slowly, it works great. But if I try to get to "wild" with it, for example, que up a bunch of transfers, navigate through a lot of folders back and forth while a transfer is happening, and so on, I can consistently cause the Tivo to reboot.

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Note: SubFolders version 200 running with a 140 tivo (S2 60 hour upgraded to 180gig)

Just a note. If I use this slowly, it works great. But if I try to get to "wild" with it, for example, que up a bunch of transfers, navigate through a lot of folders back and forth while a transfer is happening, and so on, I can consistently cause the Tivo to reboot.

Just FYI.
I wonder how well "normal" TiVo-go-back handles queuing up a lot of transfers?
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Note: SubFolders version 200 running with a 140 tivo (S2 60 hour upgraded to 180gig)

Just a note. If I use this slowly, it works great. But if I try to get to "wild" with it, for example, que up a bunch of transfers, navigate through a lot of folders back and forth while a transfer is happening, and so on, I can consistently cause the Tivo to reboot.

Just FYI.
Yeah that is kinda the nature of the beast I am afraid. I am doing my best to compensate for an error in TiVo, but unfortunately I can't fix that. My hope is that TiVo will fix this bug in the next release and then we can disable the HACK

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Yeah that is kinda the nature of the beast I am afraid. I am doing my best to compensate for an error in TiVo, but unfortunately I can't fix that. My hope is that TiVo will fix this bug in the next release and then we can disable the HACK

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From my tests this happens when the over one second go up a folder condition is met.
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From my tests this happens when the over one second go up a folder condition is met.

Sorry, I don't understand that. Can you spell out what to avoid?


(I never "queue up" transfers because I never had much success with Tivo Desktop doing that, and since I encode them at a lower bit rate, transfer speed is always a bit faster than play speed)
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Just want to say thanks for all the hard work you guys have done on this program. It is a feature set that I found indispensable as soon as I tried it - and I cheered when you solved the 8.3 bug - I was lost without PyTivo.

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What is the last stable version that supports multiple pytivo servers on the same network?
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I would imagine anything on the trunk. The stuff for dealing with version 8.3, which added the problem with multiple pytivo servers, is a branch.
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This might be unneccessary, but do you know if it is possible to have both TDN and pyTivo on the same computer. I tried it and had troubles converting AVI files.
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I've never tried, but you might need to change some ports. I believe they both use 9032/9033.
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First I would like to say what a great program. I have installed the 8.3 with subfolder 200 version and it works great on 2 tivos and does a fantastic job of converting wmv and other files as well as browsing subfolders. I added 5 shares with no problem except for one share. When I browse the folder I can an "error occurred" and it doesn't display anything. The share in question has many folders in it and probably 100 gb of files.

My question is am I asking too much by such a large folder or is it possibly one particular file within that folder that is causing the error or are there just too many folders in that folder.

It's really no big deal anyway I am more than pleased with the results I have. I was just wondering if there was something to look for. Many thanks to the developer(s).
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I would imagine anything on the trunk. The stuff for dealing with version 8.3, which added the problem with multiple pytivo servers, is a branch.
You are correct. My problem with multiple pytivo servers was a result of the undocumented guid feature. Once I sent the guid's manually in the .conf files, everything worked as expected.

Any reason this hasn't been added to the documentation/wiki?
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Sorry not running a PC, but it sounds like a firewall problem??? Make sure the port listed in pyTivo.conf is open.

Any other PC users have a comment?
No comment here, but a question:

What ports need to be open between the Tivos and the pyTivo machine? I opened the port that's in pyTivo.conf (TCP/9032) as well as UDP/3560 that I found with Netstat, but I'm not seeing anything on the Tivos. This setup worked fine before I separated my wireless network from my "main" network with an IPCop firewall.
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What ports need to be open between the Tivos and the pyTivo machine? I opened the port that's in pyTivo.conf (TCP/9032) as well as UDP/3560 that I found with Netstat, but I'm not seeing anything on the Tivos. This setup worked fine before I separated my wireless network from my "main" network with an IPCop firewall.
It is TCP/9032 and TCP/9033 for Tivo.Net. With those two open pyTivo also works on my system...
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Old 05-26-2007, 10:23 PM   #510
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It is TCP/9032 and TCP/9033 for Tivo.Net. With those two open pyTivo also works on my system...
Hmm. I have both of those open now and still nothing. I just realized that I've got two subnets with the new system, that must be the problem. I might need to re-architect a little!
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