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Old 03-09-2016, 04:44 PM   #1
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House of Cards - "Chapter 52"

This isn't really so much as an episode thread, as an "end of season 4" thread, and I wanted to follow up on my previous episode post.

I now think the reason Stamper made the big donation was to get the attention of the widow. Rachel's gone, and he has a new infatuation.

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Old 03-09-2016, 05:12 PM   #2
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Holy cow. I thought this was the best season of the whole series so far.

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Old 03-09-2016, 05:20 PM   #3
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I really enjoyed it although I have come to despise Claire - I was happy that mid-season took a turn away from them being estranged.

Ellen Burstyn was awesome.

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I now think the reason Stamper made the big donation was to get the attention of the widow. Rachel's gone, and he has a new infatuation.
I agree. It started off as guilt but where can it honestly go? He basically killed her husband.

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Is Claire going to do monologues to the camera next season?

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Is Claire going to do monologues to the camera next season?
I was expecting one at the end.

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Old 03-09-2016, 07:36 PM   #8
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Ellen Burstyn was awesome.
YESSS! She was amazing the whole season!

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Old 03-10-2016, 10:35 AM   #9
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If this was a DVD, I'd want to see an outtake where Frank is in the middle of a monologue to the camera, and Claire interrupts him, like, "who the hell are you talking to?"

When Frank basically threatened to kill Kathy Durant, that whole scene was, wow.

I'm surprised Hammerschmidt didn't believe Frank murdered Russo and Barnes.

How did Tom (the other Tom, the author/speechwriter) get clearance to be in the situation room?

I didn't quite get what Doug was asking the President for, at the end. Was he basically saying he didn't want to watch the beheading?

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Old 03-13-2016, 12:21 PM   #10
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I really enjoyed it although I have come to despise Claire - I was happy that mid-season took a turn away from them being estranged.

Ellen Burstyn was awesome.
Claire enjoys the power and the two of them work well as a team. Their love life is pretty much a non-issue right now.

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Old 03-14-2016, 07:14 AM   #11
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Solid season, I enjoy this show. Sucks to have to wait a year for more. I've always been a Spacey fan. I've never really liked Robin Wright but she's good in this role.

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Old 03-14-2016, 08:24 PM   #12
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I now think the reason Stamper made the big donation was to get the attention of the widow. Rachel's gone, and he has a new infatuation.
And maybe it's just me, but the widow has a lot in common visually with the late Rachel Posner.

I particularly like the development of the Stamper character over the series. Sure, at times, he's shallow, but at other times, he's very deep.

On a more general note: Does it seem like they start spoon feeding us more as the series has gone on? The fourth wall breaches used to be occasional and insightful, but not a direct cue. Now, it seems like they're going out of their way to make us see stuff. Perhaps the most overt example was when the Underwoods and Yates were having breakfast. With the length of the scene, they could have just as well put a big text overlay that said "LOOK! THEY'RE IN AN OPEN MARRIAGE! LOOK!".

Personally, I rate the seasons from best to worst as follows:

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Frank was at his best when he was on the way up. He's not nearly as interesting when he's actually on top. IMO

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Old 03-16-2016, 09:26 AM   #13
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This isn't really so much as an episode thread, as an "end of season 4" thread, and I wanted to follow up on my previous episode post.

I now think the reason Stamper made the big donation was to get the attention of the widow. Rachel's gone, and he has a new infatuation.
Don't you just want to yell at the widow run, run away and hide.

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When Frank basically threatened to kill Kathy Durant, that whole scene was, wow.

I'm surprised Hammerschmidt didn't believe Frank murdered Russo and Barnes.
We'll that's all going to come back and bite him in the ass

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I didn't quite get what Doug was asking the President for, at the end. Was he basically saying he didn't want to watch the beheading?
He's resigning to go full on terminator?

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Old 03-17-2016, 04:02 PM   #15
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I now think the reason Stamper made the big donation was to get the attention of the widow. Rachel's gone, and he has a new infatuation.
Ew. I didn't think that, just that he paid up out of guilt. I figured the donation was going to hurt them politically. I'm still not sure it won't.

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I was expecting one at the end.
Yeah, the last several episodes I was waiting for one.

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Old 03-20-2016, 03:46 PM   #16
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Funny, that is my ranking as well.

I thought this was a bit of a slow burn, but the payoff...well...paid off.

I'm assuming Conway will be back. But something about casting Joel Kinnaman was off for me.

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Old 03-20-2016, 05:09 PM   #17
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I had to google the name, but now that I have, I'm not surprised to find out he's not American. There was something "off" with some of his delivery that made me think that was the case.

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Old 03-21-2016, 10:17 AM   #18
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I think Joel Kinnaman was too young for the position he was being presented as and somehow "too cool" for a real politician. There was nothing off in his accent as far as I can tell. I've been him in quite a few things and was quite surprised to read that he grew up in Sweden (with an American father).

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I'm surprised Hammerschmidt didn't believe Frank murdered Russo and Barnes.
Well, everyone things Lucas was crazy. Even Hammerschmidt said that Lucas had the story right, just had the facts wrong. So without proof of the murders (and who would be able to provide that besides Frank?), it's much easier to believe it was the delusions of a deranged lunatic rather than that POTUS is a murderer.

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I didn't quite get what Doug was asking the President for, at the end. Was he basically saying he didn't want to watch the beheading?
I think he was simply asking that Frank not require him to be there to watch the beheading. As a recovering alcoholic, he didn't want to view that and then have to live with those images but not be able to drink to drown them out. At least that was the implication. We know he was just using that as an excuse to go see his new girlfriend. I was surprised that she didn't think it was odd that the Chief of Staff was sitting in a car in front of her house during a very critical moment for POTUS.

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I think Joel Kinnaman was too young for the position he was being presented as and somehow "too cool" for a real politician. There was nothing off in his accent as far as I can tell. I've been him in quite a few things and was quite surprised to read that he grew up in Sweden (with an American father).
His accent didn't sound very presidential* to me. It's basically the same American accent he used as a cop on The Killing. He was believable as an American just not what I expect from a politician.

*Of course, I may have to revisit what I consider presidential after this election cycle.

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Old 03-27-2016, 08:08 AM   #21
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Wholeheartedly agree about Kinnamen. He's bugged me all season because of it. They could have done so much better.

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His accent didn't sound very presidential* to me. It's basically the same American accent he used as a cop on The Killing. He was believable as an American just not what I expect from a politician.

*Of course, I may have to revisit what I consider presidential after this election cycle.
I had no idea that was the same guy from the killing. His accent in that was more urban though.
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I really enjoyed it although I have come to despise Claire - I was happy that mid-season took a turn away from them being estranged.

Ellen Burstyn was awesome.

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Wholeheartedly agree about Kinnamen. He's bugged me all season because of it. They could have done so much better.
I liked him in 'The Killing', but his delivery style fit his character well there. Here, I don't really believe him as a politician.

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I think he was simply asking that Frank not require him to be there to watch the beheading. As a recovering alcoholic, he didn't want to view that and then have to live with those images but not be able to drink to drown them out. At least that was the implication. We know he was just using that as an excuse to go see his new girlfriend. I was surprised that she didn't think it was odd that the Chief of Staff was sitting in a car in front of her house during a very critical moment for POTUS.
I think you're reading too much into it. I think it was simply: "My first allegiance is to you and if you need me here now I'll stay, but there's something personal that's very important to me and I'd very much like to attend to it right now."

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I liked him in 'The Killing', but his delivery style fit his character well there. Here, I don't really believe him as a politician.
Yeah. His haircut was terrible too. He looked like a defendant dressed up for court.

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This was the best season yet.

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Old 04-28-2016, 01:37 PM   #27
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For some reason, I didn't even realize this season had already been released and just watched them all over the last week.

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Solid season, I enjoy this show. Sucks to have to wait a year for more. I've always been a Spacey fan. I've never really liked Robin Wright but she's good in this role.
I agree about the season and the show, but I'm just the opposite regarding Spacey and Wright.

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I liked him in 'The Killing', but his delivery style fit his character well there. Here, I don't really believe him as a politician.
I thought the same thing throughout the season.

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This was the best season yet.
While I enjoyed it, I don't think it was the best.

I do enjoy it more when they're (Pres/First Lady) working as a team, so there was a large part of the season (beginning) when I didn't really care for it. Also wasn't crazy about the getting shot story line (didn't want Meechum to die, didn't see the need for the Prez to get shot, thought it was an easy way out for the shooter character), but overall a good season.

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