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Old 04-25-2016, 11:28 AM   #1
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Stupid

I can't decide what is more stupid. Things that happened on this episode, or the fact that I will keep watching the show.

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Old 04-25-2016, 12:37 PM   #2
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Thank you. I haven't seen this episode. Got to decide whether to waste 44 minutes of my time for delete my One Pass.

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Old 04-25-2016, 12:41 PM   #3
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Old 04-25-2016, 01:01 PM   #4
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Totally. I keep trying to remind myself that they're new to this.

But what did they expect to find at the shore? Just suitcases?!!

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Old 04-25-2016, 01:22 PM   #5
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Totally. I keep trying to remind myself that they're new to this.

But what did they expect to find at the shore? Just suitcases?!!
To be fair, though, there were no zombies in sight and they had a good plan.

Shame Chris doesn't understand the importance of sticking to a good plan...

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Old 04-25-2016, 01:32 PM   #6
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Totally. I keep trying to remind myself that they're new to this.

But what did they expect to find at the shore? Just suitcases?!!
They were mainly looking for antibiotics for Ofelia, but as long as they were going, they figured they'd try and find anything else they could use as well.

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Old 04-25-2016, 01:57 PM   #7
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I understand why they went, just dumb to think if suitcase landed there, then why not bodies.

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Old 04-25-2016, 02:11 PM   #8
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I understand why they went, just dumb to think if suitcase landed there, then why not bodies.
But they didn't think that. They knew that there were no zombies at that site, but that there could be nearby. They took precautions.

Which Chris promptly ignored.

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Chris is a dimwit. Well, they mostly all are, really. But Chris, especially.

Funny, the druggie is the only one with a clue. Though I'm not sure he realizes he has a clue. Soooo...

Maybe the boat owner to some extent isn't completely stupid. Except that he's doing his best to piss everyone else off without ever discussing anything about his reasons for anything he wants done.

No, they're all stupid.

If I was there in that situation, I'd feel obligated to kill them all before they got me killed.

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Old 04-25-2016, 03:05 PM   #10
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I'm still totally confused about Strand's secrecy regarding Mexico and why Madison and Travis and Daniel seem so betrayed by it.

So Strand has apparently had the plan all along to go to this compound in Baja. He lied and told the characters they were going to San Diego, likely knowing that when they got to San Diego they'd find the city had been destroyed just like LA.

So when the lighthouse guy in the last episode confirmed that San Diego had been destroyed, why do Madison and Travis act all butt-hurt in this episode when Strand reveals this new destination? Shouldn't they have already realized San Diego was no longer an option and shouldn't they be thrilled that Strand has a viable backup plan?

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I thought it was a great episode -
Although - who didn't get what Travis was going to run into under the boat?

LOVE having the woman from the airplane in the episode.
I loved her in the web series.

Everything on the beach was pretty awesome.
The whole section when Nick is over the guy and the crabs to the woman from the airplane yelling Run They are Coming had me on the edge of my seat.

I would love to see Chris bite the dust.
I also wouldn't mind someone just taking a bullet to Stand's head.

Interesting Chris choosing to basically euthanize the airplane passenger and Nick realizing how to zombie camouflage himself.

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Old 04-25-2016, 03:15 PM   #12
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I'm still totally confused about Strand's secrecy regarding Mexico and why Madison and Travis and Daniel seem so betrayed by it.

So Strand has apparently had the plan all along to go to this compound in Baja. He lied and told the characters they were going to San Diego, likely knowing that when they got to San Diego they'd find the city had been destroyed just like LA.

So when the lighthouse guy in the last episode confirmed that San Diego had been destroyed, why do Madison and Travis act all butt-hurt in this episode when Strand reveals this new destination? Shouldn't they have already realized San Diego was no longer an option and shouldn't they be thrilled that Strand has a viable backup plan?
Madison knows San Diego was never his plan...he was always going to Mexico (because of her conversation with Daniel).

I wouldn't be surprised if Strand expected (expects?) that by the time he got to Mexico, he'd be alone.

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Madison knows San Diego was never his plan...he was always going to Mexico (because of her conversation with Daniel).

I wouldn't be surprised if Strand expected (expects?) that by the time he got to Mexico, he'd be alone.
So why did he bring these people along if it was never his intention for them to reach the final destination? He's the one that brought them to his beach house when they were planning to go to the desert. He's the one that brought them on board his ship when they likely would have been fine staying on land. He could have killed Daniel and left them when they stopped at the lighthouse island.

Basically, the characters' reactions to Strand have made no sense. And if Strand is not planning to kill them or leave them stranded somewhere, then why the secrecy about the destination? It should already be clear to the rest of the gang that he was abnormally-well prepared for the Zombie Apocalypse. He had his gated compound stocked with supplies. He had a yacht parked off shore stocked with supplies. So why would any of the characters be surprised when he tells them he has another house in Mexico that's also stocked with supplies?

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Old 04-25-2016, 03:52 PM   #14
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I don't know what Strand's thinking is, on anything. I suspect that he just got caught up in things...first with Junkie Boy, then with the others; he never found an excuse to get rid of them, or he thought they might be useful. I kinda get the impression that he intends (or intended) to be alone by the time he got where he's going.

It isn't out of character for even a brilliant, manipulative mastermind to do stupid things if it gets the story where it's supposed to go. (Out of character for the writers, that is, not for the characters. )

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Well, when I describe this episode as stupid, it wasn't that I thought their plan to go to shore to look for medicine and supplies was stupid. What was stupid was the execution of the plan.. They seem to wander around checking a few bags here and there, then waste time by trying on pilot's outfits and such. And Chris wanders off out of view of the others. I realize that I have more knowlege of the dangers of that new world, having watched TWD, but still. They have experienced enough of what is happening to know that they need to go get what they came for, get it done as fast as possible as a team, then get the hell out of there.

And then the dummy Nick who slips on the edge of a ledge and falls in next to the crabcake zombie. I rolled my eyes. Dumb. Although the crabcake zombie was pretty disgusting. I admit I actually had to look away. I don't think I ever had to do that on any Walking Dead show before.

The most interesting character in the story was the plane crash survivor. Probably the most interesting character on the entire series so far. I hope to see her again.

Which brings me to another "stupid". So Strand says they can't bring her and the boy on the boat. So they get rope and tow their life raft? Stupid. Just leave them where they are, shoot them, or take them on the boat to drop off somewhere else. But attaching their raft to the boat and dragging it made no sense other than to set up the "dramatic" moment where Strand stomps back to the stern and chops the rope to abandon them.

These are just the major stupid moments.. There were a few other minor ones..

That said.. I will continue to watch.. but it's getting harder. I still don't give a crap about any one of these characters.

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Old 04-25-2016, 05:57 PM   #16
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When they decided to go ashore I thought "Gee, I wonder if they'll run into any zombies?" When Travis dived under the boat I thought "Gee, I wonder if he'll run into any zombies?" When Dwight the Troubled Teen went wandering off on his own I thought "Gee, I wonder if he'll run into any zombies?" When Daniel went off looking for Dwight the Troubled Teen I thought "Gee, I wonder if he'll run into any zombies?" When drugboy went looking for antibiotics I thought "Gee, I wonder if he'll run into any zombies?"

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Why Ouroboros? The only thing that comes to mind, maybe, would be the zombie eating the crabs eating the zombie. But an Ouroboros is supposed to consume itself, not two things each consuming the other.

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Seems a bit "on the nose" to name a character Strand when we now know he kinda wants to strand everyone else around him.

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Well, when I describe this episode as stupid, it wasn't that I thought their plan to go to shore to look for medicine and supplies was stupid. What was stupid was the execution of the plan.. They seem to wander around checking a few bags here and there, then waste time by trying on pilot's outfits and such. And Chris wanders off out of view of the others. I realize that I have more knowlege of the dangers of that new world, having watched TWD, but still.
I think it is true that WE know more than they do, but as far as I recall, this is the first time they encountered a horde and really had to fight their way out - the hospital they escaped from was as much military as it was walkers (and neither Chris or Alicia were with them) - I am sure there are other instances - but I totally accepted they thought there were no zombies by the wreckage and suddenly they were overrun.

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Curious that the plane crash shredded the fuselage and caused the deaths of most of the passengers without evidence of shredded body parts anywhere ...

... And that spine injury where the backbone snapped and burst through the backfat and skin and shirt and jacket of the seated passenger who managed to remain alive until he could be brutally euthanized ...

... And that the youths scouring the baggage were such efficient warriors against the zombie horde that they all managed to get away from them ...

... Curiouser and curiouser ...

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Well, we already know TWD is set in an alternate universe where zombie movies never happened.

Maybe there are other differences as well!

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I'm out. Too much stupid for me. I can't take characters doing things that the average person (even under these circumstances) would say "wait, that's stupid, don't do that". Over and over and over again.

I think they've wasted a good premise with this show. It had the potential to be really interesting, and fun to watch, and it's turned into a struggle to stay tuned. I found myself watching this episode at FF1X (using captions to keep up), and then I realized... WTF am I doing?

There are many posts where we (as viewers) are struggling to stay interested in this. Far more than the typical shows we TCF'ers watch. I understand that dilemma. I want to like it, but it keeps pushing me away.

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Why do all teens on TV need to break the rules to put everyone in jeopardy? I sure hope someone smacked the **** out of him once they got to the boat.

What was up with long hug one they escaped the walkers but before they got in the zodiac boat?

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Why do all teens on TV need to break the rules to put everyone in jeopardy? I sure hope someone smacked the **** out of him once they got to the boat.

What was up with long hug one they escaped the walkers but before they got in the zodiac boat?
Tension-building. First they tell what not to do, then when they do it you will immediately feel apprehensive. Likewise for the hug; only a complete idiot would do anything but pull the Zodiac towards the water when zombies are approaching, so watching them hug increases your anxiety while you watch.

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Stupid

I can't decide what is more stupid. Things that happened on this episode, or the fact that I will keep watching the show.
This is exactly my thoughts.

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Likewise for the hug; only a complete idiot would do anything but pull the Zodiac towards the water when zombies are approaching, so watching them hug increases your anxiety while you watch.
Perfect example of why I deleted the SP. It feels artificial. The average person would react with action. Explode with action. On this show, they hem and haw and stall and hug, and them some teen does something really stupid... all the while, we are yelling "Get the ef out of there".

I can't handle shows that insult my intelligence. I also have a really difficult time handling almost any young people on shows. For some reason, they write them all as if they have no functioning brain.

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Perfect example of why I deleted the SP. It feels artificial. The average person would react with action. Explode with action. On this show, they hem and haw and stall and hug, and them some teen does something really stupid... all the while, we are yelling "Get the ef out of there".

I can't handle shows that insult my intelligence. I also have a really difficult time handling almost any young people on shows. For some reason, they write them all as if they have no functioning brain.
Is it our perception that has changed over time regarding the way youths are portrayed, or the writing that has changed? I completely agree with you, btw.

How is it that we can accept TWD yet have such a struggle with FTWD?

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Is it our perception that has changed over time regarding the way youths are portrayed, or the writing that has changed? I completely agree with you, btw.

How is it that we can accept TWD yet have such a struggle with FTWD?
Because back in TWD days, it was fun to groan in unison "Stupid Carl!!"

But here in FTWD, they are ALL Carl, and it's pretty much impossible to take.

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I think a series based on following one walker around each episode would probably provide more interesting possibilities than what they've been doing with this show so far.

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There was a new episode? I hadn't noticed, what with GoT and Outlander.

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