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Old 10-09-2006, 02:40 PM   #1
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S3's in Hawaii?

Tivo just shipped my S3. I'm hoping that there are other people on this board that live in Hawaii and have had Oceanic Cable(TW) install their cable cards in your Tivo box. If any of you Oceanic Cable users have already had this done could you please post and Tips that would make my cable card install go much smoother. Thanks! ~Sy
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Old 10-09-2006, 02:58 PM   #2
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Eager to hear of your experience. I was thinking of getting the s3 for my parents who live in Waikiki. It will need to be pretty smooth though since they won't be able to troubleshoot a problem effectively. They've got an S1 into a plasma which obviously doesn't make for the best picture. They were reallly impressed when they saw HD at my house.
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Old 10-09-2006, 03:34 PM   #3
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I'll let you know how my experience goes. As of right now I can tell you that it is rediculuously expensive to run a S3.. Check this out:
Base Monthly Price: $52.70

Cable Card 1 (cc1): $3.10
HD Entertainment Package for cc1: $6.95

Cable Card 2 (cc2): $3.10
Duplicte Services: $8.00
HD Entertainment Package for cc2: $6.95

Total: $80.80

Total + Taxes = $87.50

Funny thing is You pay $8 to duplicate services for the second cable card, but the Duplicate services charge includes a cable box which you don't need because you have a cable card. And to top it off you can't duplicate the HD pack so you pay that $6.95 for every cable card. So I really don't know what the $8 Duplicate services charge is for. I figure if they charge you the Duplicate services fee they should at least give you the second cable card free in lieu of the cable box that is included in that price.
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Old 10-09-2006, 03:45 PM   #4
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That's crazy. I was hoping that a lot of channels would come in clear QAM and that would be good enough. Then they could skip the whole CC business since I think the networks should be good enough. They didn't want to upgrade from analog to digital cable because of cost.
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Old 10-09-2006, 10:28 PM   #5
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That's crazy. I was hoping that a lot of channels would come in clear QAM and that would be good enough. Then they could skip the whole CC business since I think the networks should be good enough. They didn't want to upgrade from analog to digital cable because of cost.
Nope... We are HD starved over here in Hawaii and very reliant on the local cable provider. Clear QAM would only net you 2 HD channels (ABC and NBC affiliate). We are still waiting for the local Fox and CBS affiliates to get their heads out of their a$$es. I havent tried OTA for the CBS and Fox HD feeds. I'm not sure if they even exist OTA. We are slowly getting more HD channels. I think we are up to 13 (Don't laugh.. it's not funny!). And I have to pay $7 for those 13 channels per cable card. Oh well I'll let you know how it goes incase you still want to hook your parents up with a S3.
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Old 10-10-2006, 12:20 AM   #6
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Hi Sy,

Oceanic came out to my place on Sept 28th with the cable cards. The Tech said this was the first TiVo installation. I had the install instructions and the Tech was sure happy that I seemed to know what I was doing. He thought he was going to have to hook up my TiVo himself. I told him I had it already hooked up, all I needed was the two cable cards.

Installed and activated each card one at a time. All went without a hitch. He was out of here in 20min and asked if he could keep the instructions for the other techs for future reference.
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Old 10-10-2006, 12:43 AM   #7
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Aloha, I am really curious what the final amount Oceanic will charge. I called 3 times and got quoted three different pricing setups, some involving duplicate charges for each additional cc, some not. I am currently running a SA8300hd with a 500gb Esata. love the recording space and am waiting to read some more feedback on the series 3. please post what the final charges are on Oceanic.
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Old 10-10-2006, 04:38 AM   #8
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I called Oceanic from here on Maui and asked about cable cards and pricing. Currently I have a package deal that includes Road Runner internet, Digital cable, and the SA8300HD DVR. This package costs $99.95/month plus tax.

They told me that if I return their DVR and replace it with my purchased TiVo S3, then my service would go up to $104.60 plus $3.10 for each cable card plus $8.00 for the "duplicate service" plus $6.95 for a second HD package. Or a total of $125.75 plus tax. If I keep their DVR, and just add 2 cable cards, then they said the total would be $121.10 plus tax. Go figure?

This is absolutely ridiculous and as a result I have not yet ordered my S3. But I am hoping to here that this pricing will change and someday I can get an S3!

Please post here with your Hawaii results.
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Old 10-13-2006, 07:34 PM   #9
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Here is what Oceanic Time Warner told me on the phone

I called to see what it would cost to rent their HD DVR. I already have HD service and an HDTV cable box.

DVR
$9.95 if I return cable box, plus $8.00 if I keep cable box ($8.00 is for additional service), so $17.00 for both


Cable Card
$3.10 for the first one
$3.10 more for the second one
No $8.00 charge for additional service.
$12.00 installation charge

Total $6.20 plus TIVO service charge even if I keep my cable box (I already pay for HDTV service, so I did not add that into the price).

That's what the saleslady said, but what it will be when the signature goes on the dotted line, I can't yet say.
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Old 10-13-2006, 10:09 PM   #10
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Here is the email message string this afternoon with TW. Go figure.

Aloha!


1. as I stated previously, the Duplicate service charge does not include
the HD Entertainment Package. The Duplicate service charge only includes
the equipment rental fee, digital cable service, and any premium movie
channels in your subscription. Each device that is receiving the HD
Entertainment Package is billed for that package.


2. Yes, we are aware of the current limitations of the technology. You
can install a single CableCard in your Tivo and only record one channel
at a time.


3. The CableCards are billed for each device, each CableCard is a
separate device. You could obtain the HD DVR without the duplicate
service charge, however you would still be billed for the HD
Entertainment package which is required to have any HD cable box.


You could also rent the CableCards for $3.10 each, however they would
only be able to receive the Standard Cable Service. They would not
receive the authorization to receive the HD Entertainment Package, the
Digital Cable Package, nor the HBO or Showtime.


4. Because that is how the company decided to do the billing.


5. Everything is NOT going HD. That is a common misconception. HD and
Digital are two very different things. The FCC is only requiring a
change to Digital, not HD.


6. I am sorry, but it does not appear the same from our point of view.
We bill per device that receives premium programming in the home. If you
TiVo requires 2 of those devices then the account should be charged for
each one.




If you have any further questions, please feel free to e-mail us again
or contact our Customer Care Department at the appropriate number below.
When replying to this e-mail, please include this message as well as all
previous correspondence regarding this issue.


Cable TV or Internet:
Billing: 643-2100
Sales: 643-2337
Repair: 643-2300


Digital Phones:
Billing: 643-3333
Sales: 643-3663
Repair: 611 from your digital phone or 643-6611


Thank you,
Nick S.
Oceanic Time Warner Cable




Original Message Follows:
-------------------------


No, I never remember names, nor do I think I got the name today.


1. Why is there an HD package charge AND a duplicate service charge?
This
question applies to both the DVR and the cable cards.
2. The HD DVR records two channels. Each cable card records one
channel.
3. Why would you charge me twice for cable cards on a single device and


not for the DVR (note: I don't think you should charge me for any of
these
things other than the DVR rental and the card rental. You should
deliver a
signal to my house, and however many devices receive the signal should
be
up to me. The more devices I have the more of your advertising I see.
4. If the Duplicate Service charge includes box/CableCard rental,
digital
cable service, HBO and Showtime on the additional device, why do you
charge
me additional for HD?
5. What will you do when everything is HD? Will that just be a back
door
way for you to raise rates like the telephone company did with touch
tone
service, where they charge extra for touch tone which is now standard
but
less for pulse dialing which requires a special interface to convert the


pulses to touch tones for their system?
6. It appears to me that a TIVO DVR with two cards should be charged
the
same as your DVR with a credit back to me for not renting something that


you have to maintain. In other words, it should cost $6.20 for renting
the
cards (which really should be free or half that price) and nothing for
duplicate service or HD signal which I already pay for.


bob


At 03:02 PM 10/13/2006 -1000, you wrote:
>Aloha!
>
>Do you have the name of the lady you spoke to on the phone? I will need
>to make sure she receives the correct information about adding
>CableCards to existing service.
>
>The HDTV Entertainment package is not included in the duplicate service
>fee. It is charged per device.
>
>The CableCards are $3.10 each with no premium programming on them. To
>receive the Digital Cable Service on the cards, the Duplicate Service
>Fee of $8.00 would apply instead of the $3.10 card charge.
>
>Here is a breakdown of the charges:
>
>HD DVR:
>Duplicate Service Charge: $8.00*
>Digital Video Recorder Service: $9.95
>HD Entertainment Package: $6.95
>Total: $24.95
>
>CableCard:
>Duplicate Service Charge: $8.00*
>HD Entertainment Package: $6.95
>Total: $14.95 each.
>
>* Duplicate Service charge includes box/CableCard rental, digital cable
>service, HBO and Showtime on the additional device
>
>
>
>
>If you have any further questions, please feel free to e-mail us again
>or contact our Customer Care Department at the appropriate number
below.
>When replying to this e-mail, please include this message as well as
all
>previous correspondence regarding this issue.
>
>Cable TV or Internet:
> Billing: 643-2100
> Sales: 643-2337
> Repair: 643-2300
>
>Digital Phones:
> Billing: 643-3333
> Sales: 643-3663
> Repair: 611 from your digital phone or 643-6611
>
>Thank you,
>Nick S.
>Oceanic Time Warner Cable
>
>
>
>Original Message Follows:
>-------------------------
>
>I don't know if you understand that I currently have HDTV service and
an
>
>HDTV cable box. The lady on the phone told me that I would pay $17.95
>more
>per month than I am paying now, and it appears that you have included
>the
>$6.95 I am already paying for HDTV.
>
>The same lady told me the cable cards would be $3.10 each, or $6.20
>total
>in addition to what I am paying now. She said there would be no $8
>additional service charge.
>
>Something is wrong here.
>
>The numbers you quote do not make sense in another respect. A non HD
>DVR
>rents for some charge. The basic rental charge for the HD DVR is, I
>assume, somewhat higher. The cable cards should cost much less than
>rental
>for an entire DVR, and your numbers have them costing $5 more total
than
>
>renting a DVR that you have to maintain.
>
>Bob
>
>At 02:36 PM 10/13/2006 -1000, you wrote:
> >Aloha!
> >
> >Thank you for your recent inquiry. The HD DVR would be an additional
> >$24.90/mo. The HD DVR can record 2 shows at the same time.
> >
> >The CableCards would be an additional $14.95 each. Since the HD TiVo
> >requires 2, it would be an additional $29.90/mo total.
> >
> >If you have any further questions, please feel free to e-mail us
again
> >or contact our Customer Care Department at the appropriate number
>below.
> >When replying to this e-mail, please include this message as well as
>all
> >previous correspondence regarding this issue.
> >
> >Cable TV or Internet:
> > Billing: 643-2100
> > Sales: 643-2337
> > Repair: 643-2300
> >
> >Digital Phones:
> > Billing: 643-3333
> > Sales: 643-3663
> > Repair: 611 from your digital phone or 643-6611
> >
> >Thank you,
> >Nick S.
> >Oceanic Time Warner Cable
> >
> >
> >
> >Original Message Follows:
> >-------------------------
> >
> >
>
> >Comment: I currently have an HDTV box. What is the additional
monthly
> >charge if I get your HDTV DVR IN ADDITION to my cable box.
> >How many channels will the HDTV DVR record at one time?
> >I prefer the program guide and other features of TIVO. What is the
> >charge if I get an HDTV TIVO in addition to my HDTV cable box instead
>of
> >your DVR?
> >
> >The TIVO will record two HDTV channels simultaneously, but that
>requires
> >two cable cards. How do you charge for cable cards?
> >
> >Thanks
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Old 10-15-2006, 05:11 AM   #11
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So based on Bob's correspondence with TW it is even worse than I was quoted. It looks like supporting an S3 Tivo will increase your cable bill by $29.90/moth plus the 10% in taxes and fees.

It is interesting that we in Hawaii are the only ones getting this ridiculous pricing. (But it is kinda like our $3.59/gal gas compared to mainland pricing.) Replies to my earlier message about increase in cable costs showed that most people were paying less per month to there cable companies after activating two cable cards for their TiVos instead of a cable company DVR.

So I guess will have to live with the sucky SA8300HD for a few more years.

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Old 10-17-2006, 04:29 PM   #12
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I just had my Cable Cards installed yesterday buy Oceanic Time Warner. It went pretty smoothly. the only hiccup I experienced was that the tech wrote down the MAC address wrong on the first card. I noticed it after he called it in. He called up the main office to have them hit the new mac addy and all was good. It is a slow process though. It takes about 10 minutes to hit the card after they send the signal from the CO. I don't know if it was just slow yesterday because everyone was still recovering from Mondays blackout. The tech was at my house for a total of 40 minutes. He also had another tech in tow who wanted to see a cable card install. This was the first Tivo for both of them but the whole process was relatively easy/smooth.

Now I'm just waiting to see how this will affect my bill...

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Old 10-17-2006, 04:52 PM   #13
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Here is the email message string this afternoon with TW. Go figure.
Send him back an email and tell him you are forwarded that thread to the FCC.

Clearly anti-competitive pricing.
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Old 10-18-2006, 05:55 AM   #14
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Wow!!!

That is a horriffic pricing structure. is there anything we can do? all continue to call or email?
I was just over the $799 price tag hump on the S3, but to know we have to pay $30 extra a month PLUS monthly Tivo service fees....
i may not be able to afford the S3. Any suggestions?
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Old 10-18-2006, 07:23 AM   #15
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Nope... We are HD starved over here in Hawaii and very reliant on the local cable provider.
Yeah. But you live in Hawaii. No one can ever take your complaints seriously.
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Old 10-20-2006, 01:36 PM   #16
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aloha sy, when you know what the final billing is could you post it, i get differrent quotes every time.
thanks
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Old 10-25-2006, 01:05 AM   #17
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Aloha my Hawaii Friends,

Just wanted to let you know of a problem I'm having with my S3 and hope no one else is having this problem.

I can receive every Oceanic channel on cable card #1 (tuner 1), but I can't receive channels 441(TVLand), 442(OCFamily), 551(TBS), 553(TNT), 557(SciFi), and 560(Bravo) on cable card #2 (tuner 2).

I figured I had a bad cable card in slot two, so I called Oceanic and they came by with another cable card, but it didn't fix the problem. They then switched cable cards from slot 1 to slot 2 and from slot 2 to slot 1, but still slot 2 did not receive these channels. They concluded it wasn't a cable card issue, but a problem with my TiVo box.

I contacted TiVo who told me they will send me another TiVo box.

I'll keep you posted and let you know if the new box solves my problem...:-)
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Old 11-07-2006, 12:44 PM   #18
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Aloha,

I just wanted to follow up on my last post.

Well, I received my replacement TiVo and Oceanic came over to re-initilize the same two cable cards and so far so good.

I now receive every channel on each tuner.....:-)
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Has there been any change to the ridiculous pricing? That's one of the many factors keeping me from getting an s3.
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Old 11-07-2006, 02:53 PM   #20
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Has there been any change to the ridiculous pricing? That's one of the many factors keeping me from getting an s3.
Wow, I feel bad for you guys on the islands. Your cable company is really sticking it to you. My bill has gone down $20.89/mo. with Charter in WI. That is with 4 cable cards added on, and returning a Moxi DVR and a regular Digital STB. No change in programming.
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I live in Ewa Beach on Oahu, and I lost all "Digital Cable Service", "Family Choice", or "Music Choice" channels after having my Scientific-Atlanta replaced and the CableCards installed. This means no Game Show Network, no Noggin, no Toon Disney, etc. (Actually, I do oddly enough receive a few of these channels - under 10% - and there's no apparent pattern. For instance, I get G4techTVI on 437, but none of the neighboring channels. And I get the Rap music channel on 809, and Hit List on 820, but not 800-808 or 810-819.)

At first the CS rep said I had my digital service package turned off when I switched to cable card, and that it appeared to be a simple miscommunication that she would correct. Then, after being put on hold, she came back and claimed that something about a federal mandate forcing them to use a method of transmission would require a digital setup box. She was unable to provide any specifics (and unwilling to research further when I pressed). I insisted she have someone with more precise technological knowledge call me back, but I'm not holding my breath.

I'm surprised no one else seems to be mentioning having this issue. Surely I'm not the only one interested in these channels? In a way, this lack of mention gives me hope. Perhaps I should call back and buy another ticket or the "Useful CS Rep Lotto"?
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I'm surprised no one else seems to be mentioning having this issue. Surely I'm not the only one interested in these channels? In a way, this lack of mention gives me hope. Perhaps I should call back and buy another ticket or the "Useful CS Rep Lotto"?
Yes, I would certainly do that before wasting any more time thinking about the info she gave you. You may have problems, but her info is just wrong (as witness the fact that in the hundreds of complaints here about cable company excuses, I haven't seen this one before!)
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I live in Ewa Beach on Oahu, and I lost all "Digital Cable Service", "Family Choice", or "Music Choice" channels after having my Scientific-Atlanta replaced and the CableCards installed. This means no Game Show Network, no Noggin, no Toon Disney, etc. (Actually, I do oddly enough receive a few of these channels - under 10% - and there's no apparent pattern. For instance, I get G4techTVI on 437, but none of the neighboring channels. And I get the Rap music channel on 809, and Hit List on 820, but not 800-808 or 810-819.)

At first the CS rep said I had my digital service package turned off when I switched to cable card, and that it appeared to be a simple miscommunication that she would correct. Then, after being put on hold, she came back and claimed that something about a federal mandate forcing them to use a method of transmission would require a digital setup box. She was unable to provide any specifics (and unwilling to research further when I pressed). I insisted she have someone with more precise technological knowledge call me back, but I'm not holding my breath.

I'm surprised no one else seems to be mentioning having this issue. Surely I'm not the only one interested in these channels? In a way, this lack of mention gives me hope. Perhaps I should call back and buy another ticket or the "Useful CS Rep Lotto"?
The rep is definitely wrong or pulling your chain on the "federal mandate", in fact the federal mandate she was talking about is probably the one that requires them to provide you with cablecards.
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Old 11-20-2006, 10:01 PM   #24
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The FCC allows cablecos to set prices, technology, and policies so that third party competitors to cableco boxes are severely disadvantaged. They have grown too cozy with the cablecos and need to take a look at this real world Cablecard data.

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So based on Bob's correspondence with TW it is even worse than I was quoted. It looks like supporting an S3 Tivo will increase your cable bill by $29.90/moth plus the 10% in taxes and fees.

...

So I guess will have to live with the sucky SA8300HD for a few more years.
Regardless what Time Warner calls a "device" in Hawaii, the Time Warner provided box- the SA8300HD- can record 2 HD channels simultaneously. The Telecom act says that third parties get to attach their boxes to the network as well. The cablecos can compete with these boxes, but may not do so unfairly by subsidizing the costs of use of their box with other charges:
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Such regulations shall not prohibit any multichannel video programming distributor from also offering converter boxes, interactive communications equipment, and other equipment used by consumers to access multichannel video programming and other services offered over multichannel video programming systems, to consumers, if the system operator's charges to consumers for such devices and equipment are separately stated and not subsidized by charges for any such service.
Now, if the SA8300HD is able to record two HD channels, but is only charged one HD tier access fee while a third party DVR that does the same is required to pay two access fees, then the SA8300HD is being subsidized.

Secondly, the cable company consortium has designed a security access solution that requires $40 more average technician costs per install over the service costs for their boxes. This means they have erected a barrier to entry against competitors to their navigation device at no charge to themselves. Companies invest significant portions of development budgets to erect such barriers, but this cost it is not expressed in the cost of the SA8300HDs that the cable companies buy. Instead the cost is borne by the purchasers of the competitor boxes.

Maintenance of the security of a network is more expensive with a heterogeneous mix of navigation devices. Perhaps it was a coincidence, but the Cable companies have designed a security access solution that focuses prohibitive installation costs on competitors to the navigation boxes they provide. What if they designed a solution that required technicians to visit the customers home each month to verify that bogus cablecards had not been substituted. Naturally, cablecard users would have to pay for the time of the technicians- so hey- how about an extra $30 per month. Did Congress intend that such a solution be acceptable as well? If not, why is one permissible and not the other?

Did Congress intend that CableCo's be allowed to stack the deck like this against third parties? No one believes that Congress did. Yet cablecos are being allowed to institute policies and lopsided price structures heavily favoring cableco provided boxes.

The FCC comissioners have allowed the current reality to prevail. Shame on them.
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Old 07-07-2007, 09:26 AM   #25
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Well, it's been over 7 months since the last post. Guess what....the prices haven't changed.

I called OTW to get a pricing on getting my S3 going and they gave me this break down.

$3.10 per card (2x)
$8.00 per card for duplication (2x)
$6.95 per card for HD (2x)

That comes out to $36.10 to get my tivo working. And that is BEFORE taxes. Right now my S3 is running on basic cable from the wall, and OTA HD (which is very limited here in Honolulu). It's outrageous the way OTW charges us for cable. I hope prices change soon.

Have any of you had any luck with Oceanic Time Warner (OTW) giving you a cheaper price?
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Old 07-07-2007, 01:32 PM   #26
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Eager to hear of your experience. I was thinking of getting the s3 for my parents who live in Waikiki. It will need to be pretty smooth though since they won't be able to troubleshoot a problem effectively. They've got an S1 into a plasma which obviously doesn't make for the best picture. They were reallly impressed when they saw HD at my house.
I assume its an HD plasma, not an SD (actualy EDTV) plasma. You can still get SD plasma at 42" and depending on the distance to the screen and the viewers eyes, EDTV is as good as HDTV.
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Old 07-07-2007, 07:49 PM   #27
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I assume its an HD plasma, not an SD (actualy EDTV) plasma. You can still get SD plasma at 42" and depending on the distance to the screen and the viewers eyes, EDTV is as good as HDTV.
True statement for person with 20/100 vision at 45 feet from screen.
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Old 01-23-2008, 07:14 PM   #28
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I live in Honolulu and am interested in buying HD Tivo or a Series3. (I currently have a Series2)

I am HDTV incompetent so can someone tell me if this is possible?

Is it possible to use a HD Tivo/Series 3 as follows with Oceanic:


Get Oceanic’s digital package for $54.60, pay $2.70 for one cable card, pay the $6.95 for one HD package and get the following:

1. CBS, NBC, ABC, and FOX in HD over the QAM on both tuners
2. get the HD package on one tuner

The way I see it, its not worth the extra bucks to get the HD package on both tuners. The chances the HD Discovery Chanel and another non QAM station will show an HD show at the same time are minimal to me, and not worth the extra cable card and HD package cost.

Oh yeah, don’t worry about the SDV stuff, I think I understand why that problem exists.
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I live in Honolulu and am interested in buying HD Tivo or a Series3. (I currently have a Series2)

I am HDTV incompetent so can someone tell me if this is possible?

Is it possible to use a HD Tivo/Series 3 as follows with Oceanic:


Get Oceanic’s digital package for $54.60, pay $2.70 for one cable card, pay the $6.95 for one HD package and get the following:

1. CBS, NBC, ABC, and FOX in HD over the QAM on both tuners
2. get the HD package on one tuner

The way I see it, its not worth the extra bucks to get the HD package on both tuners. The chances the HD Discovery Chanel and another non QAM station will show an HD show at the same time are minimal to me, and not worth the extra cable card and HD package cost.

Oh yeah, don’t worry about the SDV stuff, I think I understand why that problem exists.
Well you won't be able to get any thing other than CBS, NBC, ABC, FOX and PBS through your cable cards wether you pay for the HDPak or not. That's what sucks abot SDV! There is no other solution for us right now other than to use Oceanic's crappy DVR! We need to wait till Tivo and Time Warner come up with a 2 way solution for the HD Tivos. I have already passed out multiple times trying to hold my breath! My $800 Series 3 and I are waiting!!!
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Old 01-23-2008, 07:39 PM   #30
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Well you won't be able to get any thing other than CBS, NBC, ABC, FOX and PBS through your cable cards wether you pay for the HDPak or not. That's what sucks abot SDV! There is no other solution for us right now other than to use Oceanic's crappy DVR! We need to wait till Tivo and Time Warner come up with a 2 way solution for the HD Tivos. I have already passed out multiple times trying to hold my breath! My $800 Series 3 and I are waiting!!!
if Tivo's USB SDV thing works, will i be able to do what I said?
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