CSI - OAD (Season Premiere "Built to Kill") 9/21/2006 *Spoilers*

Sirius Black · 09-21-2006, 10:04 PM

For some reason I thought last season was the end for all the CSI programs. Lucky I was wrong.

I'm not going to give any spoilers in this first post. Especially considering the show is still on for another 5 minutes (by my clock).

Why can't the radio actually play musicians like John Mayer instead of the absolute bilge that they usually play?

Rob Helmerichs · 09-21-2006, 10:16 PM

That was weird--it's almost like they ran short, so decided to start next week's episode early. The last 15 minutes seemed very boring and pointless...

drew2k · 09-21-2006, 11:38 PM

I really and truly hated this season opener of CSI. I somehow feel like I was taken for a ride and we didn't quite get there, or tthat I slept through my stop. I don't even know if the shoe salesman is going to jail or not.

By the way, who did Danny Bonaduce play?

Lori · 09-22-2006, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Sirius Black

For some reason I thought last season was the end for all the CSI programs. Lucky I was wrong.

I'm not going to give any spoilers in this first post. Especially considering the show is still on for another 5 minutes (by my clock).

Why can't the radio actually play musicians like John Mayer instead of the absolute bilge that they usually play?

Not sure what radio you listen to, but sometimes it seems like mine plays nothing *but* John Mayer. Not good since I really can't stand his voice.

durl · 09-22-2006, 09:04 AM

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By the way, who did Danny Bonaduce play?

I believe he was the dead man at the table at the end of the episode. Perhaps next week will be a "flashback" showing what happened to him?

I thought the episode was OK until the end. Switching between Catherine and Grissom at the end was a bit confusing at first (intentional, I'm sure) but I agree that it did appear to make the episode lose focus. It's like the first 40 minutes just dissolved and were left somewhere. And Mayer singing might have been a setup for what happened to Catherine, but the stronger impression was that it was filler.

Barryrod · 09-22-2006, 09:30 AM

When we were watching it and they were in the club dancing, I satrted thinking that this was maybe a 2hr show and Tivo recorded only 1hr....Was a very strange episode. I remember last season the premiere was an odd one too. They were showing 2 different scenes at once and was very hard to watch. Hopefully they will get back to their roots for future episodes this season.

JustAllie · 09-22-2006, 09:48 AM

Two cameos in one episode -- Cirque de Soleil and John Mayer!!

I'm surprised they had any time left for the... um, four different crime plots and several personal story angles they touched on in this episode.

Weird.

I like John Mayer, but I hate that song.

DancnDude · 09-22-2006, 09:54 AM

Agreed that the 2nd part of the episode was just strange. The Cirque part was actually pretty cool seeing the behind-the-scenes of that stage and production.

Joeg180 · 09-22-2006, 10:19 AM

Well the story will be continued next week. Why didn't Nick walk all the way over to Catherine instead of waving from the dance floor.

DreadPirateRob · 09-22-2006, 01:02 PM

Very strange opener - no resolution on the one of the two main storylines (it appears that there was no crime in either), and then an abrupt shift with 15 minutes left. I can kinda see the relevance of leaving the Katherine story at the end, but I fail to see why the crime scene-within-a crime scene needed to start now, instead of in the opener of next week's ep.

I have to say that it was very uncomfortable watching Katherine give herself a home SAE kit. :shudders:

DancnDude · 09-22-2006, 01:20 PM

It was funny that Grissom brought Sara lunch and Warrek asked where his was

I guess they are going to be keeping this relationship a secret to the other characters for awhile.

jschuur · 09-22-2006, 01:46 PM

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I can kinda see the relevance of leaving the Katherine story at the end, but I fail to see why the crime scene-within-a crime scene needed to start now, instead of in the opener of next week's ep.

I'm guessing they wanted to break up the 'intense' scene with Katherine and also create a second cliffhanger to get people to tune in again next week on the new ultra-competitive time slot.

Jesda · 09-22-2006, 02:13 PM

This show has become a miss since season 5.

analog4 · 09-22-2006, 04:56 PM

I don't get the ending of CSI w/ Katherine and being in that room, and then going into the bathroom to do something to her finger.

And what's the deal with Sara and Grissom looking at that second crime scene? I was lost.

tivogurl · 09-22-2006, 05:08 PM

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I don't get the ending of CSI w/ Katherine and being in that room, and then going into the bathroom to do something to her finger.

She scraped the underside of her fingernails for possible skin cells or other trace evidence.

Rob Helmerichs · 09-22-2006, 05:14 PM

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And what's the deal with Sara and Grissom looking at that second crime scene? I was lost.

They were sleeping together at the end of last season.

Graymalkin · 09-22-2006, 06:52 PM

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She scraped the underside of her fingernails for possible skin cells or other trace evidence.

Exactly. She was administering a rape test kit to herself. It'll be interesting to see if she goes completely lone-wolf on this one, or if she accepts help from any of her colleagues.

bruinfan · 09-22-2006, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by JustAllie

Two cameos in one episode -- Cirque de Soleil and John Mayer!!

Cirque was probably more product placement than a cameo...

wierd ep... but that last 5 min with the model of the crime scene... that was pretty freaky.

MikeSh · 09-23-2006, 01:10 AM

So was Catherine drugged at the bar and then taken home and raped? Or did she get drugged and killed someone?

To me it looked like she was going to destroy any possible evidence of a crime she might have commited.

MikeS.

DancnDude · 09-23-2006, 01:15 AM

It was 2 things shown at the same time. The first was Katherine getting drugged, raped, and doing the rape kit. The second was a crime where the murder looked like the diorama. The events were completely unrelated.

Rob Helmerichs · 09-23-2006, 07:50 AM

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It was 2 things shown at the same time. The first was Katherine getting drugged, raped, and doing the rape kit. The second was a crime where the murder looked like the diorama. The events were completely unrelated.

The slightly ambiguous part is that Catherine had blood on her hands...

drew2k · 09-23-2006, 10:59 AM

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It was 2 things shown at the same time. The first was Katherine getting drugged, raped, and doing the rape kit. The second was a crime where the murder looked like the diorama. The events were completely unrelated.

She was raped? I don't think we know that for sure.

We saw through her hazy vision and I don't recall seeing anything that looked like she was getting raped. However, after she woke up in strange surroundings, that was definitely her worst fear, which is why she's collecting evidence.

What I really don't understand is why Katharine did not call for help. She has friends on the police force and in CSI that will back her up 100%, just like when Nick was kidnapped.

DancnDude · 09-23-2006, 12:36 PM

Ok we don't know for sure she was raped, but she was doing a rape-kit on herself and she suspects she was raped. I didn't notice blood on her hands. Maybe I'll have to rewatch that part.

Delta13 · 09-24-2006, 12:37 AM

I'm guessing that if one gets drugged in a bar, then wakes up naked in a strange motel room, and you're female, that you weren't killing time at the International Tiddley Winks Convention at the Mirage ...

To add to the freaky parts - she carries an SAE kit in her purse?

"Disjointed" should have been the title of this episode.

mrmike · 09-24-2006, 09:19 AM

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To add to the freaky parts - she carries an SAE kit in her purse?

Well she used the wrapping from the glass/ice bucket as a bindle and a tampon as a vaginal swab, so not really.

murgatroyd · 09-24-2006, 09:24 AM

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I'm guessing that if one gets drugged in a bar, then wakes up naked in a strange motel room, and you're female, that you weren't killing time at the International Tiddley Winks Convention at the Mirage ...

To add to the freaky parts - she carries an SAE kit in her purse?

No, she was making up a kit as she went along. Some bits from her purse (the usual feminine products), but the rest improvised from the stuff in the hotel room.

Jan

tivogurl · 09-24-2006, 10:12 AM

She got the evidence, if any, of her possible rape, but doesn't the fact she did it herself create problems with chain of custody?

angbear1985 · 09-24-2006, 10:36 AM

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No, she was making up a kit as she went along. Some bits from her purse (the usual feminine products), but the rest improvised from the stuff in the hotel room.

Jan

Yes- she used items from the hotel and her purse, to do the rape kit. I think there was the date rape drug in her drink - she didn't know what was going on. She was raped.
FREAKY - the final part ... with the guy, bleeding on the table - and identical model of it. The rest of the show was very lame, until that part.

Delta13 · 09-24-2006, 02:13 PM

Thanks for the clarification on the kit - I watched it late at night, and it seemed slightly confusing. Plus, I don't think I've ever seen a rape kit before. (For the record, I did figure out what she was doing with her comb.

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But ... I agree with tivogurl. Aside from the fact that proof of intercourse is not proof of rape, she potentially contaminated all of the evidence she found. It wouldn't be hard to show that a seedy hotel's towels might not be the most sterile or clean. None of this evidence would see a courtroom. And what if the guy used a condom?

But maybe that's the point of the arc. Maybe Catherine is going do her own investigation (and possibly mete out punishment), and that's why she took the shower there at the end in the motel. She knows the odds of proving this in court.

JMikeD · 09-24-2006, 03:18 PM

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But maybe that's the point of the arc. Maybe Catherine is going do her own investigation (and possibly mete out punishment), and that's why she took the shower there at the end in the motel. She knows the odds of proving this in court.

All she has to do is drop a word to her dad Sam after she learns who it was, and the guy will be wearing cement shoes at the bottom of Lake Tahoe.