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09-21-2006, 11:11 AM
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Criminal Minds - "The Fisher King Part II" - 9.20.2006
I really liked Reed getting to shine in the episode since he is one of my favorite. I think Gideon acted way out of character when he just sat in the hospital. I thought at the end they had all off the pieces but didn’t put them together as quickly as they could have. Overall I’m glad this show is back and I think they will find their stride quickly. I just wonder how they will have Greenaway’s near death experience.
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09-21-2006, 11:17 AM
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It was a good episode but how did the basement catch fire without the rest of the house burning.
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09-21-2006, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by JFriday
It was a good episode but how did the basement catch fire without the rest of the house burning.
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I didn't understand that either as it made no sense and they didn't mention any reason it should have. It is not the first show that has taken some liberties so I didn't mind that much.
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09-21-2006, 11:55 AM
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The basement didn't catch on fire per se; the floor above, which was burning, collapsed into the basement room where she was being held. It's one of the most significant dangers of fire besides the fire gasses, and it kills and injures firefighters and civilians every year.
Very interesting interactions with the team; I also though Gideon was a bit off his game but he was so very disturbed by his safe haven being compromised I can see how he would be very upset about Elle being harmed.
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09-21-2006, 12:04 PM
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LOVED this episode. Gideon wasn't acting out of character, especially if you think back to the beginning of the series. Remember, the reason that Hotch is in charge of the team is that Gideon had a breakdown after making a tactical error during a showdown with an unsub that caused several of this team members to be injured and/or killed. That's exactly what happened here - Gideon made the call to hold the press conference. He KNEW that holding the press conference would piss off the unsub. His goal was to piss off the unsub enough to reveal himself. But in doing so, he again caused a member of his team to sustain a life-threatening injury.
To me, seeing the despondent Gideon "sitting watch" in the hospital, waiting to see if Elle's going to pull through the surgery, was powerful and poetic. It pulled the series back to where we started.
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09-21-2006, 12:56 PM
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I have thought that Gideon and Elle were father/daughter ever since the episode with her on the train - I could have sworn in that episode it was established they were father/daughter.
Maybe I was smoking something then....
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09-21-2006, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by dthmj
I have thought that Gideon and Elle were father/daughter ever since the episode with her on the train - I could have sworn in that episode it was established they were father/daughter.
Maybe I was smoking something then....
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My wife kept saying the same thing.
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09-21-2006, 01:13 PM
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I'm not crazy!
According to TV.com:
http://www.tv.com/criminal-minds/der...p_list;title;8
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Gideon: (to Elle) You're all right?
Elle: Yeah, I'm fine, Dad.
Gideon: Elle?
Elle: Yeah?
Gideon: Don't ever call me Dad again. (walks away)
Elle: (to Spencer) How do you think he'd feel about Mom?
Spencer: Let me know when you're going to do that so I can, uh, run. (edit)
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So, I guess that's not definitive, maybe she was hallucenating... or maybe something is going on. Perhaps he became her "father" after her real dad died. Dunno. |
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09-21-2006, 01:17 PM
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I think it was just a smart-a$$ crack that she was making when she called him 'Dad', poking fun at his over-protectiveness.
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09-21-2006, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ronbo
I think it was just a smart-a$$ crack that she was making when she called him 'Dad', poking fun at his over-protectiveness.
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That's exactly how I took it.
They've "shown" her cop father before...
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09-21-2006, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ronbo
I think it was just a smart-a$$ crack that she was making when she called him 'Dad', poking fun at his over-protectiveness.
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I remember that - I also took it as a smart-a$$ crack. And his response was just as revealing as his overprotectiveness. The stories themselves on Criminal Minds are engrossing enough that it's easy to forget that underlying the whole series has been the issue of Gideon's recovery from the breakdown that resulted from him "causing" his team in the field to get killed. He is pulled in opposite directions - overprotective of the members of his team that he considers the most vulnerable (Elle and Reed), while at the same time having an almost phobic fear of real emotional attachment to them.
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09-22-2006, 01:02 AM
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watching Hotch clean Elle's blood off the wall made me teary. I found such emotion in that scene. He, too, was taking care of Elle.
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09-22-2006, 05:00 AM
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I was worried that with the poor finale last season, the show had lost its way. Nicely done.
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09-22-2006, 07:02 AM
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It makes me feel better when I watch Mandy Potekin (sp) in this roll as Gideon. I loved Dead Like Me but this show is so good I can let the pain go for the other show being cancelled.
Now if they could just get Ellen Muth to be a guest star on an episode. That would be really nice.
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09-22-2006, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Hersheytx
It makes me feel better when I watch Mandy Potekin (sp) in this roll as Gideon. I loved Dead Like Me but this show is so good I can let the pain go for the other show being cancelled.
Now if they could just get Ellen Muth to be a guest star on an episode. That would be really nice.
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Patinkin is why my wife and I started watching. We wanted to see how he'd handle the new role. We're still pi$$ed at Dead Like Me being cancelled, though. 
Now, we keep watching in part for Patinkin, but the show being good has something to do with it as well.
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09-22-2006, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by SoldOnTiVo
Patinkin is why my wife and I started watching.
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Any show with him in it gets an automatic look from me. He's got an argument scene in Chicago Hope with Ron Silver that will always be one of my favorite TV moments.
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09-22-2006, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Idearat
Any show with him in it gets an automatic look from me. He's got an argument scene in Chicago Hope with Ron Silver that will always be one of my favorite TV moments.
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I started watching it because of Patinkin too, but because he's in Elmo Goes to Grouchland... Very different seeing him in Criminal Minds, and not singing with a bunch of puppets.... 
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09-22-2006, 07:48 PM
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I keep watching because of the one episode with the husband and wife on death row. That was a great episode. Unrealistic in many ways but really great. They have had some other good eps and I generally like the dynamic between the main characters, but there's a lot of good TV out there right now. The #1 reason I keep watching is to see if they can duplicate that again.
Oh, and Mandy is great too
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09-22-2006, 08:30 PM
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I started watching it because of Patinkin too, but because he's in Elmo Goes to Grouchland... Very different seeing him in Criminal Minds, and not singing with a bunch of puppets.... |
I was just describing the show to someone the other day who didn't know who Patinkin was. I know he was on broadway, Chicago Hope, and all that, but I still think his name is Inigo Montoya...
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09-22-2006, 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by alpacaboy
I was just describing the show to someone the other day who didn't know who Patinkin was. I know he was on broadway, Chicago Hope, and all that, but I still think his name is Inigo Montoya...
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Back when the Dick Tracy movie with Warren Beatty and Madonna (and Mandy Patinkin as '88Keys', the piano player that Madonna has a duet with) came out, the running joke between me and my friends was that when Madonna was told she was going to sing a duet with Mandy Patinkin she was all, "Who's that?! Is he any good? Has he been in anything?"
(Needless to say, my firends and I don't hold Madonna in particualrly high esteem. And don't even get me started on that celluloid abortion they called the "Evita" movie...  )
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09-22-2006, 09:43 PM
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So, what exactly was this Unsub's motive in suddenly thrusting the BAU gang into this quest? Was it just because his daughter had gotten sick and needed to be saved? Wouldn't it have been easier to just call a doctor?
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