So, in reality who will buy this insanely priced S3 box?

[terryjohnson16]

I think TiVo is crazy for charging that much for a stupid box. How many of you will buy this expensive box?

[aztivo]

already did

[RCflier]

Originally Posted by aztivo

already did

me too.

[Maxx_75]

I will in a few months when it is $600-100 Rebate for $500....

[d_anders]

Originally Posted by terryjohnson16

I think TiVo is crazy for charging that much for a stupid box. How many of you will buy this expensive box?

You've submitted your poll in the wrong sub forum. You should have done this in the the "Coffee House".

[Dssturbo1]

hard core tivo lovers that have lots of disposible money and want hd that do not have sat service and do not want to rent from the cableco

[Leo_N]

Have 2 on the way. Notice you didn't have an option for: Sure, I'll buy it, AND it didn't cost me my rent.

[wmccain]

Originally Posted by terryjohnson16

How many of you will buy this expensive box?

Pricing is "relative", my friend. When TiVos were first introduced (I forget how many years ago) I paid $1000 at The Good Guys to special-order the Philips-made 30-hour version (Series 1, of course). At that time nobody stocked anything but the 15-hour version!

And two or three years ago, when the HR10-250 was first released (DirecTV HD model), I paid $800.00 for one of those.

Being an "early-adopter" can be expensive!!!

Unfortunately, I probably won't be picking up a Series3, even though I have a lifetime subscription to my original Series 1 that I would love to transfer. I don't have cable, I am committed to satellite, and the Series3 doesn't even have any A/V inputs that could be used (in standard-definition) with a satellite box (or a cable box either, for that matter).

[eisenb11]

This device is aimed towards the high-end market place. Not the general consumer marketplace.

Anyways, I ordered mine this morning w 2 day shipping.

[btwyx]

This is the stupidest poll yet.

I've ordered mine, and it wasn't rent money.

[thwart]

Originally Posted by btwyx

This is the stupidest poll yet.

Pots and kettles btwyx. Pots and kettles.

[Franco]

After reading the specs on the Series3, I've concluded that the TiVo Series3 rocks, and is not stupid. I repeat, NOT STUPID. I've already ordered one.

I wish my rent, er mortgage, was only $800 smackeroos.

By the way, this poll is stupid (and yeah I'm partially stupid for replying).

[ufo4sale]

Can we please stop with these idiotic polls and post. EITHER BUY IT OR DON'T!!!

[btwyx]

Originally Posted by thwart

Pots and kettles btwyx. Pots and kettles.

You've entirely lost me as to the meaning of this post.

[eisenb11]

Haha, if you can make my rent $800/mo I'll be happy to buy a few of you S3s!

[thwart]

Why are you guys getting all defensive with people who are sharing their negative opinions about the price of the Series 3? It's not like you have to defend your purchasing choices to me. I happen to take home a nice paycheck myself, but that doesn't mean that I am willing to spend $799 on gadget that should only cost around $399 when you consider it's functionality. Let's not forget that a DVR is only a small piece of the Living Room Platform'. Receivers, speakers, DVD players, HDDVD players/Blueray DVD players, the T.V itself, etc. It all adds up.

Should a DVR be priced at such a high price point when you consider that this new DVR doesn't include any of the Tivo-To-Go features that the prior models did? Don't get me wrong, I think the company with the best DVR has the potential to control the entire household if we let it; but Tivo let us down with this release. No one in their right mind would have thought we'd have to pay $799 for this box and I certainly wasn't expecting to lose the Tivo-To-Go features in this model.

So if you can still be happy with the Series 3 then I am happy for you. You've made your decision; but I don't think it is fair that you think people who have negative opinions about the Series 3 should keep their mouths shut.

Are these forums only for brown-nosing Tivo devotees like yourselves? Or can we negative-batuts speak our minds as well?

[thwart]

Originally Posted by btwyx

You've entirely lost me as to the meaning of this post.

Nope. It's too easy; I'm not going to say it. I'm really biting my lip on this one though.

[dswallow]

Considering one of the major benefits here is HD reception/recording, odds are pretty good those in the market for this device have already dropped well more than $800 on their HD display. $800 is a pretty fair price point for the feature set.

[eisenb11]

Um thwart,

As far as those features go, it's not Tivo that let us down. It's CableLabs who are putting all these restrictions on cablecard usage.

Tivo is currently trying to work out a deal with CableLabs and would like to release these features or some derivative of these feature in the future if they can work something out with CL.

Don't blame Tivo for the loss of stuff like Tivo-to-go, it's not their fault.

[thwart]

Originally Posted by dswallow

Considering one of the major benefits here is HD reception/recording, odds are pretty good those in the market for this device have already dropped well more than $800 on their HD display. $800 is a pretty fair price point for the feature set.

Are you serious? Considering that many have already dropped well more than $800 on their HD display I think many will go with the cable companies DVR.

Don't get me wrong. I love my Series 2. The interface is sweet! But if one has to lose the nice interface but only have to spend $9.99 a month with no $800 upfront cost I think the smarter man will go with the cable companies dvr.

When the second version of the Series 3 comes out and is sold for $399 and includes the Tivo-To-Go features then I'll be back on the Tivo bandwagon, but until then I'll stick with my Tivo Series 2 and my Charter DVR.

[thwart]

Originally Posted by eisenb11

Um thwart,

As far as those features go, it's not Tivo that let us down. It's CableLabs who are putting all these restrictions on cablecard usage.

Tivo is currently trying to work out a deal with CableLabs and would like to release these features or some derivative of these feature in the future if they can work something out with CL.

Don't blame Tivo for the loss of stuff like Tivo-to-go, it's not their fault.

Let's say I give you that one. Do you still think $799 is appropriate for a DVR? I wonder how much it costs to make. I'm starting to think that if it cost so much to make this box then maybe it would've been smarter to rethink the design.

[lordargent]

Originally Posted by Dssturbo1

hard core tivo lovers that have lots of disposible money and want hd that do not have sat service and do not want to rent from the cableco

Hey that's me.

But my plan is to keep using my lifetime subbed S2. Maybe if the total price of everything (box + transfer) dropped to 800 I would do it. But as it stands, $1000 is a big hunk of change considering there's nothing on TV right now that's worth it to me.

/If Farscape, carnivale, Alias (without the crappy writing of the last season) and a few other shows that are no longer in production were still on, I would jump on it.

/then again, the wire did just start up

/maybe if the shield were in high def

[eisenb11]

Originally Posted by thwart

Let's say I give you that one. Do you still think $799 is appropriate for a DVR? I wonder how much it costs to make. I'm starting to think that if it cost so much to make this box then maybe it would've been smarter to rethink the design.

Well, from what I've been hearing is that BB buys them for $500. So it costs less than that to make.

Remember, we also have the effect of the "early adopter tax" in effect right now.

I remember DTivos selling for around the $1000 mark when they first came out. It's only a matter of time before the price comes down.

Any product is like that. Price is always higher when a company is trying to pay off the new costs of assembly and working on decreasing defects to increase production yield.

[btwyx]

Originally Posted by thwart

Nope. It's too easy; I'm not going to say it. I'm really biting my lip on this one though.

OK, I understand, you had nothing to say and meant nothing by the post.

[dswallow]

Originally Posted by thwart

Are you serious? Considering that many have already dropped well more than $800 on their HD display I think many will go with the cable companies DVR.

Don't get me wrong. I love my Series 2. The interface is sweet! But if one has to lose the nice interface but only have to spend $9.99 a month with no $800 upfront cost I think the smarter man will go with the cable companies dvr.

When the second version of the Series 3 comes out and is sold for $399 and includes the Tivo-To-Go features then I'll be back on the Tivo bandwagon, but until then I'll stick with my Tivo Series 2 and my Charter DVR.

There's always been one certainty about technology and time: better, faster, cheaper.

Of course, in the meantime you won't have the benefits of the TiVo DVR. To some, that's worth something. To others, well, obviously not.

Remember the Series 1 TiVo DVR's? The ones that only recorded one SD video input, and could do nothing more than just store such recordings and play them back? People paid over $1,000 for 12 hours of recording space. And they were happy to have it. Did everyone buy one at that price? Nope.

There's tens of thousands of people who very recently paid $900-$1000 for the DirecTV HD DVR w/TiVo. Dual tuners; but otherwise just video recording and playback. No fancy extras like the standalone series 2 units offer. And there was a good market for that machine. Sue it can be had for much less today. But isn't there a value to having had use of such a device for over 2 years?

Maybe in 6 or 10 months you'll be able to get a Series 3 for $500-$600. Maybe. To many, it's worth the $10-$20 a month more to have those capabilities today rather than "tomorrow."

[Scopeman]

Originally Posted by Leo_N

Have 2 on the way. Notice you didn't have an option for: Sure, I'll buy it, AND it didn't cost me my rent.

Ordered 1x S3 and 2x S2 boxes this morning, and as soon as they are operational I'll be dumping DirecTV.

[lowepg]

Originally Posted by eisenb11

This device is aimed towards the high-end market place. Not the general consumer marketplace.

Anyways, I ordered mine this morning w 2 day shipping.

Hmmmm- you'd think it would have more high-end features and functionality then....

[Stephen Tu]

Remember the Series 1 TiVo DVR's? The ones that only recorded one SD video input, and could do nothing more than just store such recordings and play them back? People paid over $1,000 for 12 hours of recording space.

I wish people would quit posting this falsehood. They weren't that expensive! Unless you are counting in "high quality" hours which Tivo never advertised in. The 30-hrs in basic model was that much, but the 14-hr was available for $499 + $199 lifetime.

And besides, for all these previous Tivos, they faced no competition or similarly priced competition at time of release. This is the first Tivo for which the competition is already present & much cheaper.

Of course, in the meantime you won't have the benefits of the TiVo DVR.

But you can have the benefits of an HD-DVR, for much less, unlike previous Tivo model intros. Now some people have had bad enough experiences with cable DVRs that they will think it is worth it for $800 + service + cable card fees to want to swap it out, or place enough value on things like hard drive capacity/expansion, OTA capabilities, music/photo streaming. But some of us have not had as bad experiences with cable DVRs, we think they are good enough, not $800 worse than Tivo at any rate.

[eisenb11]

Originally Posted by lowepg

Hmmmm- you'd think it would have more high-end features and functionality then....

Yes, and it does have them.

1. Native rate output. A must for hooking up to external video scalers.

2. THX certification. It's eye candy, but it's nice to see.

3. HDCP compliant HDMI output.

4. The ability to do 480i over HDMI (the spec is relatively new for that)

5. The remote is backlit and has learning capabilities.

Now they just need a way to control it via a home automation system and my wishlist will be complete.

Looks like it has high-end features in my book.

[cyril]

You guys are all spoiled. I would gladly pay $5000 USD for a S3 if it worked in the UK.

Here we have had no decent PVRs since 2000, which was the UK TiVo series one!