Big brother 9/7/06

[itsmeitsmeitsme]

Well since you ladies are so sure that Erin will not take Will back, I was wondering what you thought about Janelles BF taking her back. After all she wanted much more from Will than he wanted from her. So what do you think?

[Jebberwocky!]

Originally Posted by katbug

IIRC, Erin Brody is a very strong, smart woman without self-esteem issues. IMO she probably won't take Will back after this show.

And you know this ???

[unicorngoddess]

Originally Posted by bobsbizzy

I certainly don't hate Erika, but I do feel so very sorry for her. On the surface she's got it all, good looks, great body, but she is so very very dependent and has such low self esteem that she keeps being drawn to an abusive relationship.

It's very sad to watch but I don't know what the answer is.

I told my mom this morning, if Erika wins the $500k she's gonna need that money for some serious counseling once she sees the tapes of Boogie's DR sessions and such. She's gonna hit rock bottom.

Originally Posted by itsmeitsmeitsme

Well since you ladies are so sure that Erin will not take Will back, I was wondering what you thought about Janelles BF taking her back. After all she wanted much more from Will than he wanted from her. So what do you think?

My understanding is Janelle and her BF haven't been dating very long at all...I think I remember hearing maybe a couple of months. I just don't see it being as big of an issue with those two and it could very well be that Janelle decides she doesn't want to be with him anymore. I think I saw one shoutout to her BF in her HOH diary and then nothing more after that.

[Jebberwocky!]

Originally Posted by unicorngoddess

I told my mom this morning, if Erika wins the $500k she's gonna need that money for some serious counseling once she sees the tapes of Boogie's DR sessions and such. She's gonna hit rock bottom.

She'll just get bigger boobies - not that the first enhancement did her self esteem any good.

[dtle]

Originally Posted by katbug

IIRC, Erin Brody is a very strong, smart woman without self-esteem issues. IMO she probably won't take Will back after this show.

What I don't understand is that why doesn't Will talk to her before the game about his strategy. He should've told her that he's willing to do everything (short of sleeping with someone, I guess) to win. I'm sure most woman would understand, won't they? (BTW, I'm single.)

[mwhip]

Will had an awesome talk with Janelle after Howie was evicted. He basically told her his strategy and how he acts nothing like his BB persona outside of the house. He also told her that he is not happy with himself that he can do that to people and not care how he can emotionally separate himself. It was a great talk and he spoke many times of Erin and how he hopes she understands because he told her how good he was at manipulating and what she was going to see was not the true "him" and how he hoped they would be OK when he got out. He laid it out for her she has no one to blame but herself.

[Steveknj]

Originally Posted by bobsbizzy

Well it seems, for the majority of viewers, its another disapointing end to a season.

Does make me think do I really want to keep watching BB if I'm ultimately going to be disappointed in who wins?

Right now I'm sure I don't, but of course time heals all things and if the next season is a year or so away I might get suckered in again, but hopefully not.

I say the same thing EVERY year and something always brings me back. This year, I thought MOST of the season was very good. SO the ending won't be as planned. In the end (to parapharse Will), I enjoyed enough of this season that I'll probably give next year another shot.

[TivoDaddy]

Wow, what a disappointing ending to a good season. I was hoping that Will would make it to the final because he was definitely the one to beat.

People forget that the season Will won they did not have the jury in sequester, and the reason why he won was because the ousted HGs were able to see Will's diary room confessionals where he pretty much laid it all out and said that he was doing anything possible to win the game. I don't think the people really liked him in the house, but they gave him credit for his playmanship (is that even a word??) and how he was able to manipulate people.

I give Janelle credit for being a strong player, but she did put emotion before the game, which led to her being evicted.

Erika is a sad soul in need of serious therapy. Boogie is just a fly on the wall that will go back to his sad pathetic life after the show, but most likely $500K richer. I did love that DR scene of him with the fake phone and no answer from Will. :-)

[KRS]

I took a peek at Will's MySpace page, curious about the supposedly removed pics of Erin. Well, those pics are gone, but there are some hilarious fan made pictures from an ad contest. I liked this one:

[unicorngoddess]

Originally Posted by Steveknj

I say the same thing EVERY year and something always brings me back. This year, I thought MOST of the season was very good. SO the ending won't be as planned. In the end (to parapharse Will), I enjoyed enough of this season that I'll probably give next year another shot.

Me too...there's only one season I didn't make it all the way through and that was S6. S5 almost got the boot too because I thought it was just too cruel to bring out the fact that your long last half brother/sister is there in the house with you. The twin thing was pretty cool though.

Originally Posted by TivoDaddy

Boogie is just a fly on the wall that will go back to his sad pathetic life after the show, but most likely $500K richer. I did love that DR scene of him with the fake phone and no answer from Will. :-)

I think Boogie is already rich enough as it is, $500k...eh, he'll just open up another club for reality tv losers or something. The DR phone call thing almost made me cry though...but only because the day Will walked out of the BB house was the saddest day for the All-Stars.

[newsposter]

love that they activated the volcano for us so we can see what it would have done. Indeed those poor construction people are probably crying not seeing it used.

the solo call thing may have made you cry but i hope you dont feel bad for the man who broadacasted his 'using up' of the 'ho' then tossing her away on national tv.

he and howie are brothers in spirit, that's for sure. boogie just hid it from the others.

[unicorngoddess]

Originally Posted by KRS

I took a peek at Will's MySpace page, curious about the supposedly removed pics of Erin. Well, those pics are gone, but there are some hilarious fan made pictures from an ad contest. I liked this one:

I know...I LOVE those pics. Some fans submitted some really good ones too, worth checking out. There's like a whole bunch of movie posters that are all great.

[jerobi]

Originally Posted by uncdrew

Will's girlfriend Erin is hot.


And it should be cake for a guy like him to explain his actions and win her back.

Then again, he probably got a lot of "female interest" after his S2 win. And now the publicity is back for him.

And really, being single right now certainly won't hurt his business.

[Dnamertz]

Originally Posted by unicorngoddess

Yep...does anyone else feel an "I told you so." Coming from Will? We may not have known exactly why when he said it Tuesday, but as it turns out, Will was right about Janelle regretting voting him out.

She wouldn't be any better off had she kept Will.

[Dnamertz]

Originally Posted by Mikkel_Knight

Will deserves to be in the final two more than anybody (including the current occupants) this season.

To be the only winner in the house and make it that far manipulating as many as he did was fabulous work on his part. Did it get him all the way to the end? No. But, considering the massive target he lived with throughout the whole season, there's no way he should even have gotten a sniff of the sequester house. Yet, somehow he pulled it off and got to the final 4.

Will is the master - Janelle just plays in his world...

Janelle had the bigger target on her this season than Will did. From week one (when she was co-HOH) the house was even plotting to get her out. She was nominated more than anyone else, but saved herself each time with the veto.

[jerobi]

Originally Posted by marksman

Will and Janelle Final 2, dream finale.

Erika and Boogie Final 2, worst Final 2 ever.

Pardon me, I'm three pages late.

Agreed on the wish for the W/J finale. That would have been great. BB always has the best platform for strategy discussions.

Still, at least with this finale there is still some question as to who might win.

As a sidebar, enough already about Erika and/or Janelle getting played. This is a game, and everyone knows that going in. Especially this group, seeing as they've all played before. The majority of it, outside of competitions, is a mindgame. Will and Mike lived on a SHOESTRING of a plan for two straight months, piecing together whatever they could. That includes teaming up with enemies, lies about loyalties, and yes, some romantic posturing. But really, what reality competition show hasn't shown the attractive young person using their charm and looks as a way to get farther? Good to see some guys play that role for a change, as it's usually the ladies with that strategy. Either way, it's par for the course and totally fine in my book given the rules of the game.

It's not life and death, or even reality. It's in a vacuum of a game. And even though it took them far too long to do it, Erika and Janelle figured things out in time to ruin CT's plans. I don't think either of their short term, televised relationships will haunt them eternally.

I really wanted to see Will win again, and in a way I guess he still will when he splits that check with Mike. Sure, Will was the stronger partner in their duo. But perhaps we should give Mike a little more credit. He had his neck on the line a lot more than Erika this season.

It should be interesting to see how these votes go. I imagine that Will and Janelle will hold a lot of sway over the jury house! I can see it being a 5-2 or 4-3 vote for either finalist.

[verdugan]

Originally Posted by jerobi

It's not life and death, or even reality. It's in a vacuum of a game. And even though it took them far too long to do it, Erika and Janelle figured things out in time to ruin CT's plans. I don't think either of their short term, televised relationships will haunt them eternally.

Well, Erika is still in love with Boogie. I don't think she's playing Boogie at this point. Did you see her jump into his arms after Janelle left?

[BrettStah]

Originally Posted by Dnamertz

She wouldn't be any better off had she kept Will.

That's hard to say - if Erika had left, and Will had remained, how would the HOH competition have played out? Would one of them have asked the question about keeping both hands on the key? Erika was the one who asked the question - otherwise, until told differently, the contestants would have been able to just keep one hand on their key.

Would Boogie have done his "do you remember Richard Hatch" thing? Maybe - Janelle and Will both probably would have taken him to the final two. Would it have played out differently enough to avoid startling Janelle to the point of letting go of the key?

[unicorngoddess]

Originally Posted by BrettStah

That's hard to say - if Erika had left, and Will had remained, how would the HOH competition have played out? Would one of them have asked the question about keeping both hands on the key? Erika was the one who asked the question - otherwise, until told differently, the contestants would have been able to just keep one hand on their key.

Would Boogie have done his "do you remember Richard Hatch" thing? Maybe - Janelle and Will both probably would have taken him to the final two. Would it have played out differently enough to avoid startling Janelle to the point of letting go of the key?

I agree. This whole thing would have played out much differently. First of all, Boogie jumping is what caused Janelle to let go with one of her hands. That probably wouldn't have happened if Erika was evicted instead of Will. But, I'm sure that both guys would have handed round 1 to Janelle anyways. Will broke his thumb and probably didn't want to stand there hours upon hours to begin with and he probably would've told Boogie to give this to Janelle and then it didn't matter between the two of them who won part two. No matter how it played out it would have been Janelle and a member of CT in round 3. And I always said that if Janelle won HOH she could win the whole thing...she would have OWNED all in that third round and won.

So, yes, I think things would have played out much differently if she didn't evict Will.

[Steveknj]

Originally Posted by unicorngoddess

Me too...there's only one season I didn't make it all the way through and that was S6. S5 almost got the boot too because I thought it was just too cruel to bring out the fact that your long last half brother/sister is there in the house with you. The twin thing was pretty cool though.



I think Boogie is already rich enough as it is, $500k...eh, he'll just open up another club for reality tv losers or something. The DR phone call thing almost made me cry though...but only because the day Will walked out of the BB house was the saddest day for the All-Stars.

We are definitely on the same page with Will and the last 2 seasons. Before season 6 (and because of S5) I had decided not to watch S6, but I figured, ok, I'll watch a few weeks, see if it holds my interest and if not, I'm out of here, but I stuck it threw S6 (even though I COULDN'T stand Howie, Janelle and the overrated Kaysar) because I loved watching the sniping between Janelle's faction and Cappy's faction. But it had gotten so mean spirited that I decided I wasn't going through it again this season. That is until they announced All-Stars. Since Dr. Will is my all time favorite reality player, I said, if he's on it, I'll watch, and if he goes early, I'm outta here. So, since he played the game so well, it was mostly a pleasure to watch all season, and I agree, the saddest day of this season was when Janelle kicked him out (with Erika's push).

I loved the Boogie DR phone call. That was the best part of last night's episode. Cracked me up...

Will I watch next year? Not sure, I'm sure I'll say no when it gets down to it, but push comes to shove, I probably will watch. With that said, I vowed NOT to watch the Apprentice this past season and I didn't. But there's a whole lot more on during the fall and spring than in the summer...

[jerobi]

Originally Posted by verdugan

Well, Erika is still in love with Boogie. I don't think she's playing Boogie at this point. Did you see her jump into his arms after Janelle left?

I totally forget about that, thank you. That was a really interesting development. I suppose the live feed threads would know more (I try not to hit those), but it looked like it might have been more spur of the moment?

Unless my memory is wrong, didn't Mike initiate that kiss? My initial thought was "Wow - nice move" in case the jury gets to see them celebrate. That briefest of moments might be enough for Janelle to question if Erika wasn't with Mike the whole time behind her back, and could swing some votes toward Mike.

Or maybe it was just random excitement. Mike could certainly use something like that to help his case after jury sees his Richard Hatch speech, though.

[Steveknj]

Originally Posted by verdugan

Well, Erika is still in love with Boogie. I don't think she's playing Boogie at this point. Did you see her jump into his arms after Janelle left?

Why is everyone insisting that Erika is in love with Boogie? I think she's past that. SO they kissed after Janelle was tossed. They were both excited, there WAS something between them, whatever it was. Everything is essentially out of their hands now until they get to face the jury. Maybe they are just making peace until the end? Honestly, if Erika was STILL in love with Mike, I doubt she would have ratted out CT to Janelle, the way she did. If that was her plan to get rid of Will, as some has suggested that Boogie and her cooked that all up, then Boogie is ONE GREAT actor. I just think that they are two friends at this point, caught up in the moment, so they kissed, and Erika understands that Boogie played her. Of course, I don't have privvy to the live feed, so maybe there's something in the live feed that shows something a bit different.

[DLiquid]

It sucks that the two best players, Will the best manipulator and and Janelle the best competitor, made it to the final four but not the final two. Their game play style was so opposite, Will never winning competitions and Janelle apparently incapable of manipulating much of anything. They would have made a great final two.

Instead we have Erika, who I thought was a very strange choice for an "all stars" season, and such a classic example of a BB/Survivor player that gets to the end mostly by luck (survival of the mediocre). And Boogie, who was the sidekick of my favorite player, but is sometimes annoying. A lot of you guys seem to detest him, which I really don't get.

I want Boogie to win because I was rooting for Will (CT) and Erika has always bugged me in a "get off my screen" kind of way. I just hope they devote plenty of finale time to the Howie-Boogie confrontation.

But most importantly, didn't Julie Chen's boobs look really weird last night?

[IndyJones1023]

Originally Posted by DLiquid

But most importantly, didn't Julie Chen's boobs look really weird last night?

She has such a lack of stage presence I really don't even notice her. I can't imagine engaging her in chit chat unless she has a teleprompter in sight.

[Jebberwocky!]

Originally Posted by IndyJones1023

She has such a lack of stage presence I really don't even notice her. I can't imagine engaging her in chit chat unless she has a teleprompter in sight.

she like background noise - after a while you just tune her out.

[IndyJones1023]

Originally Posted by Jebberwocky!

she like background noise - after a while you just tune her out.

Pretty much.

[unicorngoddess]

Originally Posted by Steveknj

Why is everyone insisting that Erika is in love with Boogie? I think she's past that.

Unless I was imagining things, I think I heard Erika admit it in the diary room.

[IndyJones1023]

Originally Posted by unicorngoddess

Unless I was imagining things, I think I heard Erika admit it in the diary room.

You mean when she said "Why am I still in love with Boogie?"

[unicorngoddess]

Originally Posted by IndyJones1023

You mean when she said "Why am I still in love with Boogie?"

Yeah...I didn't make that up did I?

[IndyJones1023]

Originally Posted by unicorngoddess

Yeah...I didn't make that up did I?

Nope, she said something to that effect last night.