Series1 DirecTiVo Software Update (3.5.0) Migration Thread - Page 2

cosmictrucker · 04-30-2006, 07:24 PM

I had recently used Instantcake to build a 250 gig drive for my Sat-T60. All was fine until I noticed when I selected DIRECTV Central and clicked on Now Playing List, the unit would display that menu in a "clear" format while the currently viewed program continued to play in the back ground. That went on for a day or so and then the unit began to LOCK UP whenever I selected the Now Playing List.

I was unable to view the current software info or such. I assumed that maybe the used 250 gig drive had failed, so I installed a "fresher" 250 gig WD drive with the same version on instantcake. I let the unit make a few phone home calls and then noticed something else...

I noticed since installing the Instantcake software, and even though I had selected a "local" phone number to call, the unit was also making 5 or 6 daily calls to two different 800 numbers. I rechecked the local numbers selected and they appeared to be good. (I found this out thanks to Vonage logging all out bound calls) I have since unplugged this unit from the phone line to prevent the download until a fix is made available.

Why was/is this unit calling 800 numbers?

Lateshowrob · 04-30-2006, 07:59 PM

So if I try to replace my fried drive with a 160 GB drive using 'Instantcake' will this work? Sorry, not up on all the technical details of 'lba-48' and such.

Thanks.

Crispian · 05-01-2006, 06:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tivoupgrade

If you have telnet access to your TiVo, you can verify whether or not the new software has been downloaded (but not installed yet) by typing the following:

Code:

echo mls /SwSystem | tivosh

If you see something like this:

Code:

Name                       Type        FsId      Date  Time   Size
----                           ----          ----        ----    ----     ----
3.1.0c2-01-1-031    tyDb       29558  07/29/04 17:31    708
3.5-01-1-031           tyDb       83344  04/27/06 07:37    680
ACTIVE                    tyDb       29558  07/29/04 17:31    708

It means the new software has downloaded, but the 3.10c2 software is still active.

OK, so I did this and I do indeed have the upgrade downloaded, but 3.10c2 is still active.

My question is how to inhibit the upgrade from happening just yet. I have an "instant cake" prepared drive that was "network ready" so I didn't have to go through all the hastle of installing telnet & ftp originally, and I have a slew of shows to pull off and dump to dvd for my 6 year-old son before we go on vacation. So I'd like to keep everything just the way it is until I've done that and the dust has settled and PTVUpgrade have a nice, simple way to fix everything figured out for me

So, can someone post an "idiots guide" to inhibiting the upgrade from happening once it's been downloaded?

It can't be as simple as pulling the network cord can it (though if I do that I can't download the shows I want to)? Or do I just change the phone code so it doesn't make it's call through the network (I don't have a phone line attached)? If it involves making changes to files in the system I'm fine with vi doing that, but please post *specific* instructions on which files, where they are, and exactly what to change.

Thanks muchly in advance!!!

jackpollack · 05-01-2006, 07:23 AM

Could someone please clarify, The 3.5.0 update will only affect the DirecTivo units. The stand-alone series 1 will not be affected.

sbourgeo · 05-01-2006, 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackpollack

Could someone please clarify, The 3.5.0 update will only affect the DirecTivo units. The stand-alone series 1 will not be affected.

I think you're probably pretty safe. The series 1 standalones haven't had a software upgrade in 4 years.

tivoupgrade · 05-01-2006, 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crispian

So, can someone post an "idiots guide" to inhibiting the upgrade from happening once it's been downloaded?

Thanks muchly in advance!!!

Version 1.0 of the Idiots Guide to Preventing your Upgrade

Step 1: Unplug your phone line

or, as an alternative:

Step 1: Change your dialing prefix to *# so that your unit can't dial out and trigger the upgrade

In either case, you'll have to endure a few nag messages until you take the update at a later point.

Dirty, but does the trick.

tivoupgrade · 05-01-2006, 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackpollack

Could someone please clarify, The 3.5.0 update will only affect the DirecTivo units. The stand-alone series 1 will not be affected.

Series1 Standalone unites were officialy "end-of-lifed" by TiVo in... well, several years ago (I think it was 2002). So no more upgrades. Plus this 3.5.0 update is SPECIFICALLY for the Series1 DirecTiVo (hence the topic name).

sbourgeo · 05-01-2006, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tivoupgrade

Series1 Standalone unites were officialy "end-of-lifed" by TiVo in... well, several years ago (I think it was 2002). So no more upgrades. Plus this 3.5.0 update is SPECIFICALLY for the Series1 DirecTiVo (hence the topic name).

Although I agree they were for all intents and purposes "end-of-lifed" in 2002, I remember several posts like this one by TiVoPony where they maintain the "I cannot confirm or deny" position:

New Features for Series 1?

It would be nice to finally have some closure on this issue though. Maybe someone should create a post in the Coffee House forum to see if a TiVo employee will finally confirm what we all know to be true. But until I hear otherwise, I'm hoping for a software update for my Philips HDR312 any day now...

Steve

cashfoley · 05-01-2006, 01:05 PM

I had the exact same symptom as described by cosmitrucker except I can't confirm abut the 800 number calls.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cosmictrucker

I had recently used Instantcake to build a 250 gig drive for my Sat-T60. All was fine until I noticed when I selected DIRECTV Central and clicked on Now Playing List, the unit would display that menu in a "clear" format while the currently viewed program continued to play in the back ground. That went on for a day or so and then the unit began to LOCK UP whenever I selected the Now Playing List.

(...)

I noticed since installing the Instantcake software, and even though I had selected a "local" phone number to call, the unit was also making 5 or 6 daily calls to two different 800 numbers. (...)

Why was/is this unit calling 800 numbers?

I had seen some messages complaining abut missed calls but I ignored them... "what did I care".

Then last week a couple of shows refused to play saying it was unable to record due to loss of signal. I was fairly certain I had actually started watching one of the shows.

When I got the previously mentioned symptoms, I figured I had some kind of hard drive corruption that finaly brought the system down.

I called DirecTv and second tier support is sending me a new "70 hour" TiVo for free. It's a "loaner" and I have to return it when I'm done.

I really don't want to loose my content on my SAT-T60. I'll be eager to see if there is a fix to get my system "un stuck".

JoshFink · 05-01-2006, 05:56 PM

Something I just thought I would ask.

I have an instacaked DSR6000, I'm stuck in the permanent reboot loop and one thing I was thinking was whether instacake automatically installs lba48 even though I don't need it (i'm suing a 128gb drive).

Any ideas?

Thanks

Josh

dschoner · 05-01-2006, 06:47 PM

Hello, All -
Lots of good information here - thought I'd report what's happening on my SAT-T60 w/ 2 X 160Gb HD's - version shows 3.5 - recording time shows 'variable, up to 281 hours' (not sure what it was before the upgrade).
Now playing list seems as it was prior to the upgrade, old recordings play OK, recently-recorded (4/27) play OK.
NO network connectivity through the CacheCard
Think I'll start copying the Now Playing list off to DVD's via the 'Save to VCR' function just in case.....
Regards.....

Dan

mpulver · 05-01-2006, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dschoner

NO network connectivity through the CacheCard

After seeing this come up over the weekend I panicked, then threw caution to the wind, forced my DSR6000 into a call this morning, and sure enough, I got 3.5.

I _do_ have network connectivity through the cache card, but I don't think I have the "cache" side of the card ("Now Playing" list is slow, and I need to reboot again to see if the cache drivers load).

I don't of course have my other hacks like ftp, telnet and TivoWeb+, but I will once I get a chance to get to the drive.

Crispian · 05-01-2006, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tivoupgrade

Version 1.0 of the Idiots Guide to Preventing your Upgrade
Step 1: Change your dialing prefix to *# so that your unit can't dial out and trigger the upgrade
In either case, you'll have to endure a few nag messages until you take the update at a later point.
Dirty, but does the trick.

Just want to confirm that this will stop the upgrade from happening even though I have confirmed that it has already been downloaded to the inactive partition (using the method in post #7).

I have read posts here and elsewhere that say it needs a call to trigger the upgrade, but others that say it automatically recognizes that there is an upgrade waiting and schedules it for 2am.

Sorry to be a pest- but I need to keep TyTools working 'til I can dump all the 20 or so Cyberchases I have recorded onto DVD for my 6 year old!

BTW- will we get another email like the one that warned me that this upgrade was imminent (THANK YOU PTVUpgrade!!!!) when fixes are available for instantcake drives like mine?

stivovance · 05-02-2006, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crispian

Just want to confirm that this will stop the upgrade from happening even though I have confirmed that it has already been downloaded to the inactive partition (using the method in post #7).

I have read posts here and elsewhere that say it needs a call to trigger the upgrade, but others that say it automatically recognizes that there is an upgrade waiting and schedules it for 2am.

Sorry to be a pest- but I need to keep TyTools working 'til I can dump all the 20 or so Cyberchases I have recorded onto DVD for my 6 year old!

BTW- will we get another email like the one that warned me that this upgrade was imminent (THANK YOU PTVUpgrade!!!!) when fixes are available for instantcake drives like mine?

I can't say with 100% certainty that unplugging your phone line or using the *# will prevent the update from happening; chances are though, that it will. Another method to "spoof" the system is by installing a program called "fakecall" (obviously, you'd need telnet/ftp access to do so).

Yes, we will send another email out to our mailing list to let people know when an LBA48 kernel is available, and we will also update this thread. Unfortunately, to date, TiVo has still not released the kernel source for the 3.5 kernel, so I have no projection on when a new kernel can be made available.

For those of you who didn't get the announcement; here is the link to the archived version. You can also add yourself to the list to be notified by joining the Series1 Networking Interest list here.

hawkbug · 05-02-2006, 09:57 PM

I haven't seen this question answered yet on all the forums I read, so here goes - Can you still use the kernel module that unscrambles the recordings and live TV so you can use TyTools to pull the shows off to DVD like I've done for the last 2 years? I'll be real depressed if the answer is no since my Tivo updated before I had a chance to stop it. I had no idea it was coming, and now my shows for the last week are scrambled, so I have to watch them on the TV with my Tivo vs the TV I normally watch them on DVD from

Blackfoot · 05-02-2006, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hawkbug

I haven't seen this question answered yet on all the forums I read, so here goes - Can you still use the kernel module that unscrambles the recordings and live TV so you can use TyTools to pull the shows off to DVD like I've done for the last 2 years? I'll be real depressed if the answer is no since my Tivo updated before I had a chance to stop it. I had no idea it was coming, and now my shows for the last week are scrambled, so I have to watch them on the TV with my Tivo vs the TV I normally watch them on DVD from

There is a new tivoapp patch that will take care of the CSO for you, but I have not seen a new unscramble.o file that you can run so you can pull the encrypted shows out. I know that the old unscramble.o module does not work. I tried that before the tivoapp patch was out.

hawkbug · 05-02-2006, 11:09 PM

I was referring to this:

http://www.angelfire.com/darkside/wa...htm#UnScramble

I didn't realize there was an unscramble for previously scrambled shows. That would have made my life much easier for the older shows I was unable to pull off

Will this kernel module still work?

jgerry · 05-03-2006, 01:27 PM

My TivoWebPlus 1.2.1 was broken, now it's only partly broken.

I fixed the first error by editing tivoweb/modules/index.itcl, line 700

Code:

   set guideindexdir "/GuideIndexV2"

to

Code:

   set guideindexdir "/GuideIndexV3"

This simply makes TivoWeb use the newer database format, already in use in the version 6.x boxes.

Now TivoWebPlus starts, but my most-used feature, the User Interface stuff -- where you can see your Now Playing list, To Do list, etc... This no longer works.

Something's broke in tivoweb/modules/ui.itcl. The log file error is:

Code:

ui
NONE missing close-brace
    while compiling
"proc action_preferences {chan path env} { ..."
    (file "./modules/ui.itcl" line 3953)
    invoked from within
"source $module "

I'm going to poke around at it for a bit, but I don't think I have time to track it down today.

EDIT: Well, it seems to have fixed itself!!

andrepartthree · 05-03-2006, 03:14 PM

Hi all - unfortunately I have a SAT-T60 model tivo with a larger than 137 GB hard drive (160 GB actually) so I was affected by the recorded-tv-shows/now-playing-list-making-tivo-reboot-continously-in-the-middle-of-the-tv-show problems too ...

I know that Lou (or anyone who might have taken Lou's place if he's no longer with you guys? forgive my ignorance) is waiting for some sort of linux (unless I have that wrong? again forgive me for my ignorance I'm not as much of an expert as everyone else here on this) information or program to be released before releasing that copykern update he mentioned wihch will hopefully solve the problem - however I was wondering if a new Instantcake CD will be made available for sale at some point which takes into account / deals with the new Tivo upgrade that affects my tivo model ?

Blackfoot · 05-03-2006, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hawkbug

I was referring to this:

http://www.angelfire.com/darkside/wa...htm#UnScramble

I didn't realize there was an unscramble for previously scrambled shows. That would have made my life much easier for the older shows I was unable to pull off

Will this kernel module still work?

Whoa. That seems like a lot. I used AlphaWolf's steps to modify my tivoapp and then the unscramble.o module that would unscramble the shows while they were being "backed up."

AlphaWolf's thread on DDB

Unscramble.o module

bookert · 05-03-2006, 10:42 PM

Does anyone know the default IP address (home network 192.168.?.?) Turbonet uses as its IP address to make a daily call?
QD

vertigo235 · 05-03-2006, 11:25 PM

I think the default is DCHP assigned

ensor999 · 05-03-2006, 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hawkbug

I was referring to this:

I didn't realize there was an unscramble for previously scrambled shows. That would have made my life much easier for the older shows I was unable to pull off

Will this kernel module still work?

I just upgraded to 3.5 and noscramble.o still works for me. (I am able to play my shows previously recorded with the module active; using a Philips DSR6000R.)

Francesco · 05-04-2006, 12:32 AM

OK, so my upgraded and expanded DTiVo got the upgrade to 3.5 a few nights ago. We only noticed after one prerecorded show kept causing a spontaneous reboot at a specific point. This would make sense because it's likely that some show chunks are beyond the 127 GiB limit that is recognized by a non-LBA48 kernel. We also expected none of the hacks would work until a re-install.

I decided to wait a bit before doing a re-install in hopes of a LBA48 patch coming soon (rather than re-install twice). A few more pre-recorded shows were found to cause spontaneous reboots. Then without warning the DTiVo decided to go into a reboot loop the other night. The Seagate 200 GB drive is two months old and was exhibiting no symptoms before.

Is this loop caused by the big drive? Can I (eventually) just go ahead and re-install onto this drive (when a new kernel is built)? Or did the upgrade actually kill this almost-new drive (which happened to an old drive when we got 3.1 two years ago)?

lew · 05-04-2006, 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Francesco

OK, so my upgraded and expanded DTiVo got the upgrade to 3.5 a few nights ago. We only noticed after one prerecorded show kept causing a spontaneous reboot at a specific point. This would make sense because it's likely that some show chunks are beyond the 127 GiB limit that is recognized by a non-LBA48 kernel. We also expected none of the hacks would work until a re-install.

I decided to wait a bit before doing a re-install in hopes of a LBA48 patch coming soon (rather than re-install twice). A few more pre-recorded shows were found to cause spontaneous reboots. Then without warning the DTiVo decided to go into a reboot loop the other night. The Seagate 200 GB drive is two months old and was exhibiting no symptoms before.

Is this loop caused by the big drive? Can I (eventually) just go ahead and re-install onto this drive (when a new kernel is built)? Or did the upgrade actually kill this almost-new drive (which happened to an old drive when we got 3.1 two years ago)?

I doubt it killed your drive but your existing recording are probably history. If you have your original drive put that back in your tivo until the LBA48 kernel is released. If not start from scratch with your existing drive BUT DON'T LET IT UPDATE TO 3.5

You're going to be pulling your drive and using instant cake or MFS Tools to start your installation from scratch. You'll lose all your SP, recordings, etc.

Francesco · 05-04-2006, 11:15 AM

Yeah, that's what I figured. I've re-authorized an old non-upgraded DSR6000 for the time being.

winter · 05-04-2006, 08:11 PM

My phone line has never been connected to my T60 and I received the update (and the unit rebooted itself) this morning at 2:47am. Its now running 3.5-01. I had previously replaced a failing hard drive with a 160GB using InstantCake (with LBA48 support). The unit boots fine and reports 150 hours of space but I cannot watch any programs recorded prior to today. Anything recorded since then is ok.

Just passing along another data point.

jsharper · 05-04-2006, 09:20 PM

winter, does (did) your T60 make its 'daily call' via the ethernet?

winter · 05-04-2006, 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsharper

winter, does (did) your T60 make its 'daily call' via the ethernet?

I was unaware that it does until 10 minutes ago when catbert00 pointed it out in another thread that I also posted at(http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...33#post4003833)

Since I added the turbonet card myself I falsely assumed that the T60 natively lacked the software to take advantage of it. Apparently the dialing prefix that is set on my unit (",#401") does in fact make the daily call via the net. Thanks.

ICMB · 05-05-2006, 02:45 AM

Argh.

So, I sadly got this upgrade, and now I can't get to my Tivo at all. Is there any way to get telnet/ftp access again without physically yanking the drive and reinstalling drivers on a PC?