Apprentice, The 4/3/06

HDTivoDesire · 04-04-2006, 12:59 AM

Why is a chronic lurker starting this thread? Wow this show is dead.

OMFG Trump is a bad dancer. Not really all that surprising, but Trump should be pissed this wasn't edited out. We're talking Elaine Benes BAD.

The right person was fired, but boy was Bryce fstoopid for not bringing back Tarek & Charmaine. Hoping to get a Jew fired for observing Yom Kippur does not seem like a bright idea. Bryce's rant in the cab was hilarious.

EMoMoney · 04-04-2006, 01:24 AM

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Hoping to get a Jew fired for observing Yom Kippur does not seem like a bright idea. Bryce's rant in the cab was hilarious.

He wasn't hoping Lee would be fired at all. Instead of bringing Lee in, he should have asked Trump if he could only bring one person in. Yes, Bryce essentially fired himself, but in reality, what did he actually do on this task? Not much more than Lenny.

Weekly Lennyism:
"Who come first, chicken or eggs?"

David Platt · 04-04-2006, 07:17 AM

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OMFG Trump is a bad dancer. Not really all that surprising, but Trump should be pissed this wasn't edited out. We're talking Elaine Benes BAD.

I'm pretty sure he was making fun of his 'chicken dance' on SNL a few months back. It looked exactly the same.

stevieleej · 04-04-2006, 08:23 AM

I could see Bryce getting hit hard no matter who he brought in.

Carolyn (who I greatly dislike

), jumps on Bryce because the girls weren't there. Bryce says "but they worked hard". He could have said, 'the other team scored a 95 and they won. We scored 88 and lost. Without the girls input, we would have scored 25. The guys I brought in didn't help much (Lenny) or at all (Lee). We lost because of their lack of input.

If Bryce had brought in the girls, they would have jumped on him claiming that there are two guys in the suite who contributed nothing so why are they not here?

It was a losing battle either way.

rizzlebizzle · 04-04-2006, 08:43 AM

Lenny got a pass on this one, and I am not sure why Bryce didn't play that up. Had he brougth Lenny and Charmane, I think Lenny would have went home on that one. How is unfamiliarity with the English language an excuse?

TiVo'Brien · 04-04-2006, 09:09 AM

I'm tired of Lee and all his religious observances he can't miss. Dude, you signed up for a television show that had a good chance of overlapping with those holidays. Don't sign up for something you can't make. Pick one or the other. Either is fine with me, but don't sign up for a show expecting not to honor your committment.

TR7spyder · 04-04-2006, 10:23 AM

Lets see, Charmane totally messed-up on setting up the appointment! She set it up for 30 min after the conversation. Unless the meeting was in the lobby of their building, they were destined to be late. Strike one! Then, she left out a crucial part from the message that they were supposed to convey. Strike two!

Bryce, didn’t change the time of the appointment or at least he didn’t call to tell them that they are running late. Strike one! He approved the text which was missing that important part! Strike two! But most of all, he didn’t bring the Charmane, the other person in fault for their loss to the boardroom and that was the ultimate reason why he got canned.

So we had yet another week where a project manager got fired because he didn’t bring the right person into the boardroom with. And judging by his “exit interview” he definitely didn’t learn his lesson. Hopefully the others did.

IMO, he is too nice to be successful in this cut throat world that he is trying to get into...

ccouger · 04-04-2006, 11:24 AM

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Lets see, Charmane totally messed-up on setting up the appointment! She set it up for 30 min after the conversation. Unless the meeting was in the lobby of their building, they were destined to be late. Strike one! Then, she left out a crucial part from the message that they were supposed to convey. Strike two!

Bryce, didn’t change the time of the appointment or at least he didn’t call to tell them that they are running late. Strike one! He approved the text which was missing that important part! Strike two! But most of all, he didn’t bring the Charmane, the other person in fault for their loss to the boardroom and that was the ultimate reason why he got canned.

So we had yet another week where a project manager got fired because he didn’t bring the right person into the boardroom with. And judging by his “exit interview” he definitely didn’t learn his lesson. Hopefully the others did.

IMO, he is too nice to be successful in this cut throat world that he is trying to get into...

This was my thinking too. Bryce didn't want to bring in Charmane because she worked hard on this task. Well, in business what good is working hard at something if it's a failure in the end? In business it's all about the bottom-line success, not how good an effort you made. If you're not the winner, you're the loser.

Charmane messed up the meeting time (and apparently didn't step up to take the blame for it), she left out the crucial wording of the song that might have made the difference to the judges, she was the one who should have gotten booted earlier for hiring the off-color comedian for the car challenge. So by not taking her into the boardroom, Bryce is showing his poor leadership in not acknowleding her mistakes. He said that without her there would have been no song. But what good is a song that still loses? Lenny contributed nothing and acknowledged that himself, but that is not why they lost the song challenge.

And Bryce as leader should have checked the meeting time. To say that he didn't know and then shrug it off was inexusable. I was glad the Arby's executives didn't let him off the hook on that. By the editing it looked like Bryce was not even going to address the issue when the executives asked if they had gotten lost.

Bryce's last line in the cab about how "Trump should listen" shows you right there that Bryce would not last in this business world. He may be good with real estate deals, but if he can't deal with the boss, he'll never last.

I'm still watching this show to see how far Lenny can get. I don't think it was the English difficulties that made him inactive in this challenge, it was that he apparently had no musical ability and nothing to contribute. If they had gone with his weak suggestions about adding chicken noises and egg references to the lyrics, they would again have lost and then blamed him. At least Lenny knew to keep quiet in the boardroom when Bryce was arguing, which is what Brent should have done a few episodes back.

stark · 04-04-2006, 11:30 AM

Did Charmane mess up the meeting time? She set the time and told Bryce they needed to leave in 10 or 15 minutes.

So either she didn't leave them enough time to get to the building with the Arby's executives or Bryce didn't get everyone organized and out the door in time.

nataylor · 04-04-2006, 11:38 AM

Trump loves Arby's... yeah, right.

FourFourSeven · 04-04-2006, 11:46 AM

I find it interesting that Bryce finally makes that otherwise dysfunctional team work together as a group, then, because he's not a backstabber and stands up for his employees, he gets fired.

No, they didn't win the task (though I'm not quite sure how "jingle writing" makes you qualified to work in real estate - this was one of the stupidest tasks they've ever had) - but Bryce finally made that team work well together, then stood up for them in the boardroom.

That being said, I'm not sure how Bryce could have saved himself yet retained his integrity as a leader. Perhaps when Trump said "choose two people to come back", he could have said "Mr. Trump, our team finally worked well together, we are united as a team. If you let me, I choose to bring the entire team back. If you won't allow that, then, because I can't really single out anyone who did a particularly poor job on this particular task, then just go ahead and fire me. I was the leader - the buck stops here."

Trump came off looking like an ass this week. Not that it's any different than any other week...

rizzlebizzle · 04-04-2006, 12:00 PM

It was sickening to see the girls crooning over Sean no? I mean, what was that about?

beeman65 · 04-04-2006, 01:15 PM

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It was sickening to see the girls crooning over Sean no? I mean, what was that about?

I think it's just because of the accent.

Once again, the PM looked bad and was stupid in the boardroom. WTF he bring back Lee for? I don't think I even understood his excuse.

ccouger · 04-04-2006, 01:35 PM

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It was sickening to see the girls crooning over Sean no? I mean, what was that about?

I thought so too, and with Michael sitting right there at the table and basically being ignored by the women. Although I think at one point one of the women said something to him, "Oh, and you're dapper, too" before going back to fawn all over the project manager. I wonder if this was staged to try to add some vague romantic interest to this group?

As for Bryce standing up for his employees and then getting fired, that's the way the game works. It's a game. You can't not vote someone off on Survivor, for instance, no matter if they have bonded or if no one feels they deserve to leave at that moment. It doesn't matter. In this show somebody has to be fired even if they put in the effort. They still lost, whether the team worked together or not, so a loser has to go. You see that Tarek had no problem with naming Bryce immediately when Trump asked him who he thought should go, when he could have chosen Lenny instead and gone with the rest of the crowd's opinion. Tarek was thinking like a business guy and named the PM, and any friendship or wanting to be a nice guy were not factors in his naming Bryce. That's business. It's one less person Tarek has to compete against, so he is playing the game.

EMoMoney · 04-04-2006, 01:41 PM

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though I'm not quite sure how "jingle writing" makes you qualified to work in real estate - this was one of the stupidest tasks they've ever had) -

None of the tasks really directly relate to the type of business Trum runs, exept for the past seasons where they would fix up an apartment and rent it out. Trump's judging people on their leadership and decision making, including decisions on who's brought into the boardroom and for what reasons.

TR7spyder · 04-04-2006, 01:49 PM

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Did Charmane mess up the meeting time? She set the time and told Bryce they needed to leave in 10 or 15 minutes.

She sure did! At 9:45 she set-up a meeting at 10:15!!! They live in a skyscraper, just getting out of the building (waiting for an elevator, taking it down, getting the van) can take 10-15 min. So leaving in 10-15 + another 10-15 min to get out, leaves them with no travel time!!! Anyone with any time management skills should have known this…

xuxa · 04-04-2006, 01:59 PM

I bet the meeting time was preset by production as they had to film both teams with the Arby's corp. people and wouldn't have scheduled them on the whim of the teams.

It was fun to see Byrce prove the fallacy of the show, making Trump look silly.

Legion · 04-04-2006, 02:29 PM

Bryce said what I was thinking. I liked how he stood up to Trump. No crying or trying to blame everyone but himself. One of the things a good leader will do is listen to his people. Trump doesnt do that in his boardroom sessions. I often wonder if he even watches the footage from the tasks. If he did he would realize how big of a joke some of those people are. Way too full of themselves and narrow shoulders when it comes to responsiblity.

And in todays business world you cant always get rid of the weak link without fear of being accused of a rascist or sexist. You have to give them the rope and let them tie the knot before slapping the horse on the ass.

Legion · 04-04-2006, 02:53 PM

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That being said, I'm not sure how Bryce could have saved himself yet retained his integrity as a leader. Perhaps when Trump said "choose two people to come back", he could have said "Mr. Trump, our team finally worked well together, we are united as a team. If you let me, I choose to bring the entire team back. If you won't allow that, then, because I can't really single out anyone who did a particularly poor job on this particular task, then just go ahead and fire me. I was the leader - the buck stops here."

Well said.

Dssturbo1 · 04-05-2006, 02:26 AM

what about the reward??????? $4000 a pound for truffles? the team should have said no take that money and give it to charity and we will eat chicken naturals.......... or can we trade it for diamonds, lol.

newsposter · 04-05-2006, 09:07 AM

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How is unfamiliarity with the English language an excuse?

Maybe he has tivo and has never seen an American jingle? nah that wasnt around 14 years ago

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I'm tired of Lee and all his religious observances he can't miss.

I didn't do the math but if there are 15 weeks there must be at least 14? tasks....what are the odds that both holidays fell on days that the task was on versus days the boardroom was on? or is the boardroom on the same day? I forget the timing of the show but i had seen a few 2 day tasks...day 1 is prep and day 2 is the task itself....so it just seems funny how he missed out on 2 days that there was only a '1 day' task...hope you get what i mean

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Unless the meeting was in the lobby of their building, they were destined to be late.

So we had yet another week where a project manager got fired because he didn’t bring the right person into the boardroom with.

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dont these out of towners at least watch the previous seasons? this has been brought up before..not knowing the city etc....i doubt they got down the elevator in 15 min

remind me who got kicked off so far this season that was NOT a PM

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I was glad the Arby's executives didn't let him off the hook on that. By the editing it looked like Bryce was not even going to address the issue when the executives asked if they had gotten lost.

I agree it could be editing but I dont think it is. remember how the execs brought it up? Shrugging the execs question w/o even a fake apology at first was inexcusable. I'm anti etiquette/establishment all the way, but even i would have said i'm sorry right away and admitted my mistake.

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Trump loves Arby's... yeah, right.

even better than lo duc de mushroom or whatever that was called!!!! I'm sure they loved hearing that and hopefully they will give him a table outside next time

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Perhaps when Trump said "choose two people to come back", he could have said "Mr. Trump, our team finally worked well together, we are united as a team. If you let me, I choose to bring the entire team back. If you won't allow that, then, because I can't really single out anyone who did a particularly poor job on this particular task, then just go ahead and fire me. I was the leader - the buck stops here."
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big thumbs up...thats exactly what i would have said except for the firing me part. I'd say the whole team and i can't single someone out (this is me talking in the realm of who he is)

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what about the reward??????? $4000 a pound for truffles? the team should have said no take that money and give it to charity and we will eat chicken naturals.......... or can we trade it for diamonds, lol.

not another 100 dollar meal hater

I do find it interesting we didn't see (or did i miss it) any of the new chicken being eaten

stevieleej · 04-05-2006, 10:51 AM

I would have rather eaten at Arby's - chicken bacon swiss - yuuummm.

JFriday · 04-05-2006, 11:45 AM

Trumps dance was hilarious. I had to watch it a couple of times.

getbak · 04-05-2006, 12:08 PM

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I didn't do the math but if there are 15 weeks there must be at least 14? tasks....what are the odds that both holidays fell on days that the task was on versus days the boardroom was on? or is the boardroom on the same day? I forget the timing of the show but i had seen a few 2 day tasks...day 1 is prep and day 2 is the task itself....so it just seems funny how he missed out on 2 days that there was only a '1 day' task...hope you get what i mean

It's not like he's practicing some obscure religion that no one has ever heard of and making up holidays to avoid tasks.

I'm sure the producers of the show would never think of scheduling the shooting of the show for late December/early January because Christmas and New Year's would be huge problems. They did schedule the show to coincide with some important Jewish holidays, which creates a tough situation.

One thing these religious holidays do is give us a timeline for the show this season: Task #3 took place during Rosh Hashanah (Oct 4) and Task #6 was during Yom Kippur (Oct 13). This fits into the 3 days per task schedule that has been mentioned many times before.

It does make you wonder why they scheduled the show to shoot during those days at all. They had to know there would be some Jewish contestants. I blame the producers for the problem more than I blame Lee.

lander215 · 04-05-2006, 12:24 PM

And again..Trump doesn't know the exec's names! I figured the first time it was because he didn't want to pronounce them wrong...but this time clearly showed he either wasn't ready, or is just a twit.

As for the appointment, I thought the time was preset....they just failed to leave on time. Her fault was in not impressing upon the PM that they needed to leave right away (not "in 10 or 15 minutes").

As much as I disliked Bryce...his standing up to Trump was perfect. Take that, Chump!

newsposter · 04-05-2006, 12:43 PM

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It does make you wonder why they scheduled the show to shoot during those days at all. They had to know there would be some Jewish contestants. I blame the producers for the problem more than I blame Lee.

Your point is very valid. Assuming the 3 day thing, even scheduling him to miss a boardroom would be better than missing a task

But if the holiday is only 1 day (is it?) then it's insane to let him miss the other 2 days and sit around baking cookies. What does he do all that time?

definitely the producers fault IF they knew about the problem ahead of time. And a very unfair advantage by any stretch of the imagination.

bobsbizzy · 04-05-2006, 02:23 PM

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And again..Trump doesn't know the exec's names! I figured the first time it was because he didn't want to pronounce them wrong...but this time clearly showed he either wasn't ready, or is just a twit.

Yes, that's just rude and embarrassing. This time the guy was the CEO of Arby's and he didn't know his name, just after he bigged up Arby's and what a great company they are.

His ego just keeps getting bigger and bigger. Must be these 60 minute infomercials.

bobsbizzy · 04-05-2006, 02:24 PM

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not another 100 dollar meal hater

I do find it interesting we didn't see (or did i miss it) any of the new chicken being eaten

Way to go Dssturbo!!

brianp6621 · 04-05-2006, 05:22 PM

I'm really getting tired of the reasons people get fired on this show.

I know Bryce made mistakes, as did Charmane and ego boy, but they worked their asses off.

I'm sorry, in the real world (for the most part) when there are people in your organization who go all out at a task but make a few mistakes and ultimately miss the mark (but not by much) you DON'T fire them over the people who knowingly and admittedly have done nothing repeatedly. If these people worked for Trump I Seriously doubt he would fire them in the same order he is on the show.

It seems like he wants to punish the really promising people who make mistakes and give the useless idiots a consistant pass.

It is really getting old.

InterMurph · 04-05-2006, 07:18 PM

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what about the reward??????? $4000 a pound for truffles? the team should have said no take that money and give it to charity and we will eat chicken naturals.......... or can we trade it for diamonds, lol.

Were I the project lead, I would have said, "No thanks, Donald; I'm taking my team to Arby's tonight!"