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Old 02-03-2010, 03:52 PM   #1
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$249 vs $499

How does Tivo justify the $250 price difference between the Tivo HD and HD XL when the only difference in the two is 130 hours of space. The cost of the 20 hour drive vs. the 150 hour drive is less than $100. Where do they come up with $250?

If people are smart, they'll buy an HD and replace the drive themselves.
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Old 02-03-2010, 04:06 PM   #2
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How does Tivo justify the $250 price difference between the Tivo HD and HD XL when the only difference in the two is 130 hours of space. The cost of the 20 hour drive vs. the 150 hour drive is less than $100. Where do they come up with $250?

If people are smart, they'll buy an HD and replace the drive themselves.
Most people aren't aware that this is even a possibility.
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Old 02-03-2010, 04:11 PM   #3
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Most of the extra cost is likely going to the THX certification. The HDXL is certified while the HD is not.
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Old 02-03-2010, 04:12 PM   #4
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Old 02-03-2010, 04:12 PM   #5
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Most of the extra cost is likely going to the THX certification.
Oh yeah. Forgot about that difference. I don't think most people care about that either. They just want more space.
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Oh yeah. Forgot about that difference. I don't think most people care about that either.
I'd bet that the HD and HDXL are built to the same specs, just that Tivo didn't bother having the HD certified so they could keep the costs down.
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Old 02-03-2010, 04:19 PM   #7
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How does Tivo justify the $250 price difference between the Tivo HD and HD XL when the only difference in the two is 130 hours of space. The cost of the 20 hour drive vs. the 150 hour drive is less than $100. Where do they come up with $250?

If people are smart, they'll buy an HD and replace the drive themselves.
It's what they (Tivo inc.) decided the market can bear just like every price of every product by every company operating in a free market economy.
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Old 02-03-2010, 09:18 PM   #9
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If people are smart, they'll buy an HD and replace the drive themselves.
Not everybody is comfortable with doing that.
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Old 02-03-2010, 09:38 PM   #10
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Personally, I bought my HDXL so I could go 2TB on a single internal drive.
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Old 02-04-2010, 07:18 AM   #11
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Anyone seen any really good deals on TivoXL models?
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Old 02-04-2010, 09:00 AM   #12
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If people are smart, they'll buy an HD and replace the drive themselves.
In addition to the above reasons, another reason is because replacing the drive yourself effectively voids the warranty... with the XL, you keep it going.
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In addition to the above reasons, another reason is because replacing the drive yourself effectively voids the warranty... with the XL, you keep it going.
You mean the lengthy 1-year warranty!? Well, I guess you could buy the HD and live with 20 hours for 1 year then upgrade.
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Old 02-04-2010, 09:10 AM   #14
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It's what they (Tivo inc.) decided the market can bear just like every price of every product by every company operating in a free market economy.
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Old 02-04-2010, 01:14 PM   #15
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And keep that fact handy in your head: It answers most questions of the same sort.
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Old 02-04-2010, 02:11 PM   #16
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You mean the lengthy 1-year warranty!? Well, I guess you could buy the HD and live with 20 hours for 1 year then upgrade.
Considering I'm getting my 3rd TivoHD for "weird problems" that they can't explain, I'd say I'm glad I haven't upgraded the internal drive yet... even though it's sitting in a box, ready to go in...

Some CE hardware is only warrantied for 90-days... 1 year is pretty good, and probably average for the industry. You can always buy an extended warranty if you so desire... but even that would most-likely be voided with a hard drive hack...
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Old 02-05-2010, 11:31 AM   #17
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Get yourself an external drive such as the Fantom 1TB green drive that typically sells for about $80 after MIR. You won't void the warranty with the external drive since you won't have to open the case and there's no hacking involved in getting it to work.

One word of caution regarding drive upgrades. With a lot of recording capacity you'll be tempted to fill up the drive with lots of recordings. Chances are slim to none that you'll ever watch all of the shows you have recorded before the drive eventually dies, resulting in the loss of any recordings you'd like to keep long term.

I prefer to add enough recording capacity to cover any contingencies such as extended business trips where I won't be able to watch any shows at home until I return. If there's anything I'd like to keep permanently or for an extended period I generally offload it to my PC, edit out the commercials, and then upload it to my unRAID server where the data is protected with a parity drive in case of a drive failure.

Obviously, everyone's viewing habits are different so you'd have to decide what works best for you. My method has worked well for me for about 10 years as I can honestly say that I've lost very few shows due to drive failures. There are numerous sources online for obtaining any shows that get lost so it's not as catastrophic as it once was.
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Old 02-05-2010, 02:15 PM   #18
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Get yourself an external drive such as the Fantom 1TB green drive that typically sells for about $80 after MIR. You won't void the warranty with the external drive since you won't have to open the case and there's no hacking involved in getting it to work.
Really? Last I read, the TivoHD (the topic of this thread) requires special external drives... only the original S3 can use "any" external drive... and using a non-approved external drive requires some hacking.
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Old 02-05-2010, 03:44 PM   #19
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Get yourself an external drive such as the Fantom 1TB green drive that typically sells for about $80 after MIR. You won't void the warranty with the external drive since you won't have to open the case and there's no hacking involved in getting it to work.
?? I thought the only external drive that worked with the TiVo HD (or the XL)was the WD Extender (500MB or 1GB).

A series 3 can work with different drives, but that's never going to be the cheap option, given the base price of the Series 3.
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Old 02-06-2010, 06:55 PM   #20
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My bad. I've two S3's with the Fantom external drives. I didn't realize the HD requires a specific drive other than what works with the S3. It's been months since I looked at that thread and forgot most of what I read. If that's actually the case then I'm glad I have the S3.
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