Lost -- ep The 23rd Psalm -- 1/11/06 - Page 7

Mike20878 · 01-12-2006, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by scheckeNYK

Hurley inference I get, but overall that makes no sense. the shrink lady isn't fat.

Are you saying Leah Remini's fat?

darthrsg · 01-12-2006, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Hemi

And finally, why is it when Shannon sees Walt in the rain and he is indicating to be quiet, does she scream and run towards him?

Dan

to prove she is not crazy

Charon2 · 01-12-2006, 05:50 PM

Regarding the whole "shadow of the valley of death" vs. "valley of the shadow of death" I don't know if there is a reason for it or not. While it sounds like they were trying to recite from the King James version, except for that part, some translations do move the word order around. The New Living Translations says:

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Even when I walk through the dark valley of death,"

God's Word has it this way:

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Even when I walk through the dark valley of death,"

My Bible notes on that says "or darkest valley" so I am guessing the more literal translation is "dark valley of death."
Perhaps the King James has it wrong. This wouldn't be the only time the King James mis-translated. Psalms 8:5 says, when talking about mankind, "For thou hast made him a little lower then the angles..." When they should have replaced angels with God, as the word the Psalmist used there is Elohim, which they translate properly in Genesis with "God created," "God said," and that whole deal. I would have to guess the translators thought it blasphemy to say man was above the angels.
Anyhow, back to the passage at hand. Perhaps the King James translators thought it flowed better the way they put the word order. Who knows why they would change it from "darkest valley" to "Valley of the shadow," seems like a fairly big word reversal.

LordKronos · 01-12-2006, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JYoung

I think that there's a very simple reason why the cloud didn't attack Eko.
Fear.

Eko wasn't afraid of it.
Locke wasn't either but the pilot was already afraid.

As to why it attacked Locke at the season end?
Well if it could have been Jack's fear.
Or if it really is a security system, the dynamite set it off.

Actually, Lock was afraid of it. He was intrigued by it at first, then it blew up the tree right in front of him. As it was coming down at him, he sort of smiled. Then I presume it showed him an image he didn't like, because he got this look of fear on his face, got up, and ran for his life.

5thcrewman · 01-12-2006, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike20878

Are you saying Leah Remini's fat?

Who?

AstroDad · 01-12-2006, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 5thcrewman

Who?

my friend, you are missing out on one of the great inside jokes in TCF history

bdlucas · 01-12-2006, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by AstroDad

my friend, you are missing out on one of the great inside jokes in TCF history

I doubt that. I think someone else is missing out on a little sarcasm.

5thcrewman · 01-12-2006, 07:01 PM

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I doubt that. I think someone else is missing out on a little sarcasm.

Who?

AstroDad · 01-12-2006, 07:05 PM

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I doubt that. I think someone else is missing out on a little sarcasm.

nah, can't be...sarcasm would be followed by a

or a

maybe even a

given the right situation. 5thcrewman is obviously completely clueless!

reliant76 · 01-12-2006, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by crazywater

They could not have made a mistake like this so what are they leading up to...And the fact that they both said it wrong together is even more intriguing...

Jorge Garcia was on Chicago radio this morning. When asked if he reads any of the Internet boards about Lost, he said he laughs sometimes when people are convinced they've found clues when they're really continuity errors et. al. Not discounting that there may have been a purpose to this, but it may not even be a red herring - it might just be a non-issue.

BTW, he mentioned that he listens to podcasts about Lost in the car on the way to work. Anyone know what podcasts he's talking about?

jschuur · 01-12-2006, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by reliant76

BTW, he mentioned that he listens to podcasts about Lost in the car on the way to work. Anyone know what podcasts he's talking about?

Probably the official one, Delta Park's, The Transmission or TV Squad's.

JYoung · 01-12-2006, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by LordKronos

Actually, Lock was afraid of it. He was intrigued by it at first, then it blew up the tree right in front of him. As it was coming down at him, he sort of smiled. Then I presume it showed him an image he didn't like, because he got this look of fear on his face, got up, and ran for his life.

But that was the second time he encountered it,when they were transporting the dynamite?
I don't remember him being afraid the first time.

bdlucas · 01-12-2006, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 5thcrewman

Who?

I think we'll never be completely sure.

LordKronos · 01-12-2006, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JYoung

But that was the second time he encountered it,when they were transporting the dynamite?
I don't remember him being afraid the first time.

First time was episode 4, when he was hunting the boar. When he saw it he stopped, backed up until he backed into a bush, then kind of had a "oh crap...this can't be good" look on his face.

mohler7154 · 01-12-2006, 09:23 PM

Forgive me if someone else already said this, but did anyone else notice the similarity of the drug smugglers coming to take all the children, and the others taking all the children on the island. All the children from the tail section, walt from the main side and even the french womans baby.

LordKronos · 01-12-2006, 09:29 PM

Yeah, I noticed. I was watching for it to go somewhere, but nothing much came of it.

mohler7154 · 01-12-2006, 09:47 PM

Yeah me too. It could have been a nice corralation, maybe they will do more with it later.

betts4 · 01-12-2006, 10:56 PM

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First time was episode 4, when he was hunting the boar. When he saw it he stopped, backed up until he backed into a bush, then kind of had a "oh crap...this can't be good" look on his face.

No, that was a look of adulation. He was not scared. He was staring at it intensely the first time - it was a sign from the Island. There was nothing on the Island that was going to cause him fear - only wonder and faith. Locke loves the Island and everything on it. He is whole there. When the Monster grabbed him and tried to pull him down the hole, he didn't fight it....Jack and Kate did. Locke was ready to go. It was his Faith.

jk5598224 · 01-12-2006, 11:10 PM

Does anybody else have thought Hurly would have lost weight by NOW?

tem · 01-12-2006, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mask2343

In HD, you can clearly see the faces in the smoke. They are his brother, the woman selling statue, maybe his mother, the man with the gold teeth, and some scenes of his brother getting shot.

there was also an image of Jesus on the cross.

hefe · 01-12-2006, 11:32 PM

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there was also an image of Jesus on the cross.

Yes, it was more precisely a crucifix.

hefe · 01-12-2006, 11:37 PM

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No, that was a look of adulation. He was not scared. He was staring at it intensely the first time - it was a sign from the Island. There was nothing on the Island that was going to cause him fear - only wonder and faith. Locke loves the Island and everything on it. He is whole there. When the Monster grabbed him and tried to pull him down the hole, he didn't fight it....Jack and Kate did. Locke was ready to go. It was his Faith.

Here's the look, we can only interpret...

JMikeD · 01-12-2006, 11:38 PM

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Does anybody else have thought Hurly would have lost weight by NOW?

Hurley probably would have lost a bit. They've only been on the island, what, 5 weeks? It might not be enough to notice on someone that big. They seem to be doing OK in the food department.

Jorge, on the other hand, is almost certainly under no obligation to lose any weight for the series.

sonnik · 01-13-2006, 01:28 AM

Two items I found of interest:

1) Locke tells Michael something to the effect that he's [Locke] older than he [Michael] thinks. We all know of the parallels drawn between him and 17th century John Locke. But, if you've noticed Locke tends to sometimes reply with a bit of "humor from truth". Also included in this exchange was "Where did you learn to shoot like that?" - to which Locke replied "My dad used to take me hunting." Michael would have thought this meant with Locke was a child; as Michael doesn't know Locke's story.

2) There's more evidence that others had prior knowledge of the island (or Flight 815). The first was the clairvoyant that implied that it is imperitive that Claire raise her child, no others - then she had to be on Flight 815. The second would be Eko's brother, who did not want him to get on the little yellow plane. Either these two individuals had visions about planes being taken down, or received information from Dharma individuals in the outside world.

sonnik · 01-13-2006, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by JMikeD

Hurley probably would have lost a bit. They've only been on the island, what, 5 weeks?

Up until this point, the only accurate information we have is "48 days" - so, just estimating that it's probably been a few days after the arrival of the other group.

smickola · 01-13-2006, 05:18 AM

Perhaps in misquoting the 23rd Psalm, Eko is referring to the black smoke. The smoke showed him images from his life, and showed him his sins... the type of things people associate with dying, "seeing their life flash before their eyes". Perhaps the black smoke is Death...and in staring it down, Eko walked through the shadow (the dark cloud) of the valley of death..??

TiVoJedi · 01-13-2006, 07:26 AM

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I was thinking cls

'Windows key +m' to minimize all.

nyny523 · 01-13-2006, 08:06 AM

Finally watched this last night - I thought this episode was really great.

The actor who plays Ecko is just amazing - brilliant, really.

As for the "good" vs "bad" theories people keep raising, I think what is most intriguing about this show (for me) is that none of the characters are "good" or "bad" - they are so well developed that you cannot "tag" any of them. So any good-bad explainations for what is happening (ex. why the black smoke did not touch Ecko) don't really work for me.

LordKronos · 01-13-2006, 08:32 AM

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No, that was a look of adulation. He was not scared. He was staring at it intensely the first time - it was a sign from the Island. There was nothing on the Island that was going to cause him fear - only wonder and faith. Locke loves the Island and everything on it. He is whole there. When the Monster grabbed him and tried to pull him down the hole, he didn't fight it....Jack and Kate did. Locke was ready to go. It was his Faith.

I rewatched the episode before I made my post last night. It certainly doesn't look like adulation. He looks a little bit scared. Certainly nowhere near as scared as he looked in Exodus, but he looked frightened to me. And in exodus, he may have accepted his fate and was ready to go down the hole, but 10 seconds prior, he was running for his life. He's kind of a mixed bag of emotion.

LordKronos · 01-13-2006, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by hefe

Here's the look, we can only interpret...

The problem is those are still shots. I agree, those stills make him look intrigued and fascinated, but when you see it in motion (I rewatched it last night), just the way his face moves looks to me like he's a bit frightened.