Lost -- ep The 23rd Psalm -- 1/11/06

[PJO1966]

Originally Posted by NoThru22

People always underestimate the intelligence of kids. Walt does not seem like a stupid kid to me. I don't think that his sentence struture is supposed to be a clue that it's not him. I don't think it's him simply because of the coincidence, not because he can't type like that.

My grammar was better when I was Walt's age than it is now.

[Regina]

Ok, I read all the posts (so far) and I can't believe no one has brought this up: who feels cheated that we didn't see what happened in the jungle with Jack and Ana-Lucia? IIRC, the last new ep last year ended with their seeing each other in the jungle. Now they're back and Jin and Sun are introducing themselves, giving Ana a fish, Jack's talking to Michael about Walt, giving Sawyer his meds...
What happened???
Do you think they'll ever show us?
And I definitely think "The Others" are baiting Michael, and I think Desmond's partner used the computer to contact the outside world, and The Others found out where he was and came and took him. That's why Desmond was so scared. Well, that and the lack of REM sleep!

[betts4]

I am so amazed at what is 'overlooked' and forgotten on the Island. And what is just not talked about amongst themselves.

My mind keeps going back to the cable on the beach that Sayid found and even more recently, the Dharma RX injection that Desmond took. Jack must have found it. Was it just vitamins? Pretty odd. And there was nothing on the film about it either.

What else has been found and then never mentioned again?

[JYoung]

Originally Posted by betts4

My mind keeps going back to the cable on the beach that Sayid found and even more recently, the Dharma RX injection that Desmond took. Jack must have found it. Was it just vitamins? Pretty odd. And there was nothing on the film about it either.

I assumed that was some type of stimulant as I figure that he wasn't getting a lot of sleep since Kelvin "left".

BTW,
Eko makes the third cold blooded murderer that was on Flight 815 although he might be the only one who's shown remorse.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by JYoung

BTW,
Eko makes the third cold blooded murderer that was on Flight 815 although he might be the only one who's shown remorse.

Isn't he the fourth (at least)?

Sawyer - fake Sawyer in Australia
Kate - step(biological)father
Ana-Lucia - man who shot her and killed her baby
Eko - Old man and others

[JYoung]

me flunk first grade math

[NoThru22]

Originally Posted by Regina

IIRC, the last new ep last year ended with their seeing each other in the jungle.

That was the end of episode 8. The new episode was episode 10. You must've missed episode 9, which was the Ana-Lucia flashback episode. By the end of that, Jack and AnaL are having a drink, like when they first met.

[SonBern]

Do we know how the gold-toothed guy died? This may have been discussed before. Are we to assume he died by hitting the trees after parachuting? Or did something kill him as he was hanging around in the trees while trying to get out of his harness?

[cherry ghost]

Originally Posted by NoThru22

That was the end of episode 8. The new episode was episode 10. You must've missed episode 9, which was the Ana-Lucia flashback episode. By the end of that, Jack and AnaL are having a drink, like when they first met.

Episode 8 was the AL flashback. Episode 9 was "What Kate Did".

[MikeMar]

Are there any main characters left that we don't know the full backstory of yet?

You missing a little on Kate right, but who else? Rose and Bernard?

[smickola]

We're missing the end of Jack's backstory, we don't know how his marriage broke up and ended.

And of course we don't know how Locke lost the use of his legs.

[cherry ghost]

Originally Posted by MikeMar

Are there any main characters left that we don't know the full backstory of yet?

You missing a little on Kate right, but who else? Rose and Bernard?

No backstory on Libby yet, but I'm not sure if we'll get one.

[NoThru22]

Why wouldn't we get a Libby back story? She's in the main credits now and not even Rose and Bernard could claim that (and I'm sure they'll get an episode one of these days too. The Others didn't come for Bernard, you'll notice.)

[hefe]

Upcoming backstories:

The next 5 episode titles, with the character whose backstory is involved...

Spoiler:

18 Jan 06 - The Hunting Party - Jack
25 Jan 06 - Fire + Water - Charlie
8 Feb 06 - Before the End - Locke
15 Feb 06 - One of Them - Sayid
22 Feb 06 - Maternity Leave - Claire

[markz]

Originally Posted by kjnorman

They could have just shot a log...

Is that a euphamism?

[tanstaafl]

Originally Posted by modnar

Due to a weather map in the corner, we couldn't read Walt's response after Michael asked him "Where are you". Could someone please post what Walt (or whoever it is) typed after that?

Here's a screen cap.

Originally Posted by miketx

As another person that has read the book "Prey", it provides a very workable (and interesting) explanation for the black smoke. If the writers are thinking about "Prey", there are alot of interesting plot ideas coming up.

Doesn't need to be from Prey; it could be a utility fog.

[bryan314]

Originally Posted by MikeMar

Are there any main characters left that we don't know the full backstory of yet?

You missing a little on Kate right, but who else? Rose and Bernard?

I don't think we'll see backstories on Rose and Bernard anytime soon. While I don't think they're 'Others' I do think they were part of the original Dharma project.

[Regina]

Originally Posted by NoThru22

That was the end of episode 8. The new episode was episode 10. You must've missed episode 9, which was the Ana-Lucia flashback episode. By the end of that, Jack and AnaL are having a drink, like when they first met.

Ok, so I don't recall correctly!
Thanx NoThru22! I'll have to re-watch those eps..I did see them, but a girl forgets sometimes!
I love this forum!

[Magister]

Originally Posted by bryan314

I don't think we'll see backstories on Rose and Bernard anytime soon. While I don't think they're 'Others' I do think they were part of the original Dharma project.

I am going to make some speculation on some of thier story below...

Spoiler:

I think Bernard was a VERY BAD PERSON in his past and has recently changed. Maybe he was in a near death experience. Remember that Rose was sure he wasn't dead, maybe since he has already died. Then the 'Others' didn't try to take him, and they were looking for 'good' people. He might even be an unethical scientist or something wacky like that. Maybe in a Dharma related company

[Big_Daddy]

So I don't know if this theory's been floated about - I suspect it has. If so, feel free to smack me like a disobedient puppy.

It appears the smoke monster/security system essentially detects motion. People have talked about who it attacks/doesn't attack based on their emotions, but perhaps it's much simpler than that. Although this explanation does NOT explain why people see things in it (assuming Locke saw something - we know Eko did).

Cases in point:
- During the initial crash, when the slo-mo clips show it hitting the plane's engine - well, the engine is rotating very fast, so it would be a preferential target for the smoke.
- Locke's first encounter: he froze and so survived.
- The pilot: climbing around, thrashing - he got mauled.
- Artz being chased by it on the way to the Black Rock: it chased him as he ran, then it moved off after everyone froze (go back and watch Exodus Part 1)
- Locke's second encounter (after visiting the black rock): he was moving, so got snagged and dragged
- Eko: he froze, so survived.

Just an idea.

[hefe]

Originally Posted by Big_Daddy

- Locke's first encounter: he froze and so survived.
- The pilot: climbing around, thrashing - he got mauled.
- Artz being chased by it on the way to the Black Rock: it chased him as he ran, then it moved off after everyone froze (go back and watch Exodus Part 1)
- Locke's second encounter (after visiting the black rock): he was moving, so got snagged and dragged
- Eko: he froze, so survived.

I was thinking that this thing must sort of feed off the fear of the person. When Locke and Eko survived, neither really seemed to be afraid. The thing looked to be "reading" Eko, looking inside his mind or emotions or something.

Of course, I don't know what any of it could mean.

[PJO1966]

Originally Posted by hefe

I was thinking that this thing must sort of feed off the fear of the person. When Locke and Eko survived, neither really seemed to be afraid. The thing looked to be "reading" Eko, looking inside his mind or emotions or something.

Of course, I don't know what any of it could mean.

Exactly. We don't know that Eko saw anything in it. Since we were looking from the creature's perspective I think we were seeing what the creature was seeing in Eko's mind. If we were to believe that Eko saw those images in the creature, we would have seen it from Eko's perspective.

[DevdogAZ]

Originally Posted by Big_Daddy

So I don't know if this theory's been floated about - I suspect it has. If so, feel free to smack me like a disobedient puppy.

It appears the smoke monster/security system essentially detects motion. People have talked about who it attacks/doesn't attack based on their emotions, but perhaps it's much simpler than that. Although this explanation does NOT explain why people see things in it (assuming Locke saw something - we know Eko did).

Cases in point:
- During the initial crash, when the slo-mo clips show it hitting the plane's engine - well, the engine is rotating very fast, so it would be a preferential target for the smoke.
- Locke's first encounter: he froze and so survived.
- The pilot: climbing around, thrashing - he got mauled.
- Artz being chased by it on the way to the Black Rock: it chased him as he ran, then it moved off after everyone froze (go back and watch Exodus Part 1)
- Locke's second encounter (after visiting the black rock): he was moving, so got snagged and dragged
- Eko: he froze, so survived.

Just an idea.

So you're saying this smoke monster has the eyesight of a T-Rex?

[darthrsg]

i think the shows title says it all.....

[Delta13]

So you're saying this smoke monster has the eyesight of a T-Rex?

Well, if they can crib from Prey why not Jurassic Park?

And one final note about screen savers and old Apple IIs - I owned one - the only known screensaver you had to buy, and it came in the form of flying toasters.

[jkeegan]

Originally Posted by JYoung

I think that there's a very simple reason why the cloud didn't attack Eko.
Fear.

Eko wasn't afraid of it.
Locke wasn't either but the pilot was already afraid.

As to why it attacked Locke at the season end?
Well if it could have been Jack's fear.
Or if it really is a security system, the dynamite set it off.

I hadn't caught up with this (last week's) episode so I'm finishing this thread first before going to next week (won't mention anything from next week).

That's a great idea.. let me extend it a bit..

Maybe the smoke reflects what it's exposed to.. (we see images from Eko's life in it, right? Maybe Locke saw moments from his life as well). As you say, they were curious and at peace, and that's how the smoke acted as well. The pilot, as you say, was screaming and terrified, and maybe the smoke was as well, for the same reason.. Once it had him, he probably wanted to kill it out of panic, and it did the same to him.

Very good idea, and it opens up the possibility that this thing isn't really conscious as much as adopting the behavior/feelings/etc of what's around it.

[jkeegan]

Originally Posted by mitchb2

Great episode up until the shark-jumping smoke monster.

See, I think if it had been added now, and we'd never seen anything like it before, then you might be able to argue it was a shark-jumping moment, where they ran out of ideas.. but not only did we see this last season, we saw it quite possibly in the pilot! (see previous posts about the black streak slamming into the engine right before it exploded, and other times we saw a black cloud swoop in).

No way this has jumped the shark.

[jkeegan]

Originally Posted by Big_Daddy

So I don't know if this theory's been floated about - I suspect it has. If so, feel free to smack me like a disobedient puppy.

It appears the smoke monster/security system essentially detects motion. People have talked about who it attacks/doesn't attack based on their emotions, but perhaps it's much simpler than that. Although this explanation does NOT explain why people see things in it (assuming Locke saw something - we know Eko did).

Cases in point:
- During the initial crash, when the slo-mo clips show it hitting the plane's engine - well, the engine is rotating very fast, so it would be a preferential target for the smoke.
- Locke's first encounter: he froze and so survived.
- The pilot: climbing around, thrashing - he got mauled.
- Artz being chased by it on the way to the Black Rock: it chased him as he ran, then it moved off after everyone froze (go back and watch Exodus Part 1)
- Locke's second encounter (after visiting the black rock): he was moving, so got snagged and dragged
- Eko: he froze, so survived.

Just an idea.

Wasn't there another one too? I remember Locke and Hurley together.. Locke said "wait..", and after a few seconds Hurley said "we gotta go!".. Locke held him back, and the monster went off the other way..