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Old 06-02-2016, 07:15 AM   #1
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Exclamation The Americans | "A Roy Rogers in Franconia" | 2016-06-01 S4E12

Lining up to be a great finale with the bio-weapons plot. Any guesses on how they finally ended up getting the Level 4 code, only to be turned down on using it?

Enjoyed the FBI getting to the bottom of the Mailbot bug...

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Lining up to be a great finale with the bio-weapons plot. Any guesses on how they finally ended up getting the Level 4 code, only to be turned down on using it?

Enjoyed the FBI getting to the bottom of the Mailbot bug...
IIRC, last we heard, they hadn't found anything in the office but had copied the computer files and someone was going to look through them, so I assumed that's where it was found.

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Great buildup to finale.

Yikes....they're circling. Close, but still so far.

Any thoughts on Paige and her new "beau", Stan's son? (forget his name). Is she getting close to him because she really likes him or because she's doing it for her parents?

Pretty interesting development with lots of places for it to go, depending on her motive, level of genuine feelings, etc.

And, yes, the bioweapons piece will be interesting. Think Young Hee and her husband will be figured into any of it, going forward, since they'll want to know how William got the code.

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Any guesses on how they finally ended up getting the Level 4 code, only to be turned down on using it?
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From Don's computer. Last week they couldn't find anything directly, but they'd copied all the files and would be searching through them.
This week, Tatiana confirmed that the computer expert had done her job perfectly.

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So is Paige now complicate in the Jennings' spying now? She seems to want to be willingly involved in her parents spying.

Love this show. When they said in the coming attractions for next week that it was the season finale, I actually BOOED the TV.

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So is Paige now complicate in the Jennings' spying now? She seems to want to be willingly involved in her parents spying.
She's totally into it now that she knows it involves killing people.

That's how they get caught in the end...she turns into a serial killer, gets caught, and rolls on her folks to avoid the death penalty.

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"Have you killed anyone before?"

"Yes."

"How many?"

"I don't know."


I'm surprised Paige didn't follow up with "OMG! So many that you can't even keep track!?!?! "



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I'm surprised Paige didn't follow up with "OMG! So many that you can't even keep track!?!?! "
That's exactly what I thought. It must have been going through Paige's mind. I'm surprised at how honest they are being with her. She's still very young and untrained to be having that much information. It was only a few months ago that she was so distraught to find out they were spies that she immediately blabbed it to Pastor Tim.

So who narrowly dodged a bullet when they pulled the teams that were ready to apprehend whoever picked up the dead drop from the mail robot? Did we actually see that drop and I missed it, or was that just tricky editing making us think Philip was going to the drop but then he picked up William?

And speaking of William, will the promise of returning home to Mother Russia as a hero be enough for him to keep his trap shut when the FBI nabs him, or will his uneasiness with the mission cause him to roll over? Or will he be killed attempting to escape and Stan will be left with another dead end?

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That's exactly what I thought. It must have been going through Paige's mind. I'm surprised at how honest they are being with her.
She's lucky Mom and Dad's sexual activities haven't come up...

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She's lucky Mom and Dad's sexual activities haven't come up...
She has already seen it with her own eyes!

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That's exactly what I thought. It must have been going through Paige's mind. I'm surprised at how honest they are being with her. She's still very young and untrained to be having that much information. It was only a few months ago that she was so distraught to find out they were spies that she immediately blabbed it to Pastor Tim.
That reminds me of another whiny Paige moment... when P&E were trying to get Paige to pump her brakes and not start running Stan's son as a source and she started screeching "How is this different from what you had me do with Pastor Tim?", I wanted to just slap her and say "it's different because last time it was your responsibility to unf**k the unholy poopstorm that you potentially had unleashed with your stupid mouth!"

Hopefully we'll get to see Paige poop out her liquified organs in the finale.


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We didn't see the drop. I'm not sure who's in charge of retrieval for that drop. It's probably just a redshirt from the Rezidentura.

I'm not sure if the editing was intentionally done that way to make us think it was Phillip, but that was certainly the result.

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That reminds me of another whiny Paige moment... when P&E were trying to get Paige to pump her brakes and not start running Stan's son as a source and she started screeching "How is this different from what you had me do with Pastor Tim?", I wanted to just slap her and say "it's different because last time it was your responsibility to unf**k the unholy poopstorm that you potentially had unleashed with your stupid mouth!"
It's not Paige's fault. It's Philip and Elizabeth's fault for having kids, raising them as Americans, confessing that Mom and Dad are actually the enemy, and then expecting their immature-by-definition kid to just be cool with it.

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Doesn't it seem odd that the son doesn't mention mom and sis nearly being mugged to his best friend the FBI agent or at least his son?

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Doesn't it seem odd that the son doesn't mention mom and sis nearly being mugged to his best friend the FBI agent or at least his son?
He mentioned to Matthew that Paige was "sick". Either he was told off-screen not to mention anything about the mugging (seems unlikely), or he is so clueless about the reason for Paige staying home from school that he really did think she was sick, not upset about the attempted mugging.

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He mentioned to Matthew that Paige was "sick". Either he was told off-screen not to mention anything about the mugging (seems unlikely), or he is so clueless about the reason for Paige staying home from school that he really did think she was sick, not upset about the attempted mugging.
He definitely thinks she's sick and is clueless, because he complained about how he'd have to be a lot sicker than that for mom and dad to let him stay home from school. He may not have believed she was sick, but he didn't give any indication that thought the being sick story was a cover for something else. I'm sure he just thought Paige was faking to get to stay home.

And this is backed up by the scene when Paige and Elizabeth first come home and say they were nearly mugged. Phillip is visibly shaken and goes off to talk to them. Henry looks concerned for about two seconds, then he goes back to the video game he was playing. I suspect that by the next day, he wouldn't even remember that his mom and sister came in and said they were nearly mugged unless someone else brought it up.

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He definitely thinks she's sick and is clueless, because he complained about how he'd have to be a lot sicker than that for mom and dad to let him stay home from school.
It is not so straightforward as that. It is not impossible that Henry was told offscreen that he should not mention the mugging, and possibly use "sick" as a cover story for Paige acting strange. It is unlikely, but not impossible. The reason being that it would be pretty bad if Stan did find out about the attempted mugging, because he could possibly hear about a murder in their neighborhood, and put things together. Or the pastor, or other people in the neighborhood who heard about the murder might put something together if they heard about a mugging from Henry.

That puts Philip and Elizabeth in a dilemma, because they don't want the story to get out, but they cannot rely on Henry to keep quiet if they just tell him to without an explanation. I think the risk is great enough that they should have come up with something. Like, "Henry, your sister is really upset and she does not want anyone to know about the mugging, because it will just make her remember it again and feel worse. So do not tell anyone about it. If anyone asks why she is staying home or acting strange, just say she is sick."

Not ideal, since Henry could quite easily mess it up or just not do as told, but probably a slightly lower risk than just letting Henry tell everyone that his sister and mother were mugged.

We really should have had a scene where Philip and Elizabeth were talking to Henry about it. But we did not. So we can probably assume that they did not talk to him about it. Which seems out of character, since they usually cover all their bases. Even when they are upset, they do what is necessary.

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If Henry were told not to tell anyone about the mugging and that Paige being sick was a cover story for her being upset, then I think it would have been totally out of character for him to complain openly that he'd have to be a lot sicker than that for mom and dad to let him stay home.

Between that and the fact that they didn't show P&E talking to Henry about it, I think it's a pretty safe bet that Henry wasn't told anything.

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Between that and the fact that they didn't show P&E talking to Henry about it, I think it's a pretty safe bet that Henry wasn't told anything.
One might even say that it is "unlikely".

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That reminds me of another whiny Paige moment... when P&E were trying to get Paige to pump her brakes and not start running Stan's son as a source and she started screeching "How is this different from what you had me do with Pastor Tim?", I wanted to just slap her and say "it's different because last time it was your responsibility to unf**k the unholy poopstorm that you potentially had unleashed with your stupid mouth!"
Also, "Do you trust me or not?!". Well you did run and tell Pastor Tim our big secret...

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Also, "Do you trust me or not?!". Well you did run and tell Pastor Tim our big secret...

If she's going to be a spy, she needs to be schooled in compartmentalization and need to know. P&E are giving up way too much information.

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It's not Paige's fault. It's Philip and Elizabeth's fault for having kids, raising them as Americans, confessing that Mom and Dad are actually the enemy, and then expecting their immature-by-definition kid to just be cool with it.
This. And in fact, I'm actually kind of surprised that Paige even goes along with it. She's an American by all standards (my assumption is she was born in America), and been taught in school for years that USSR = Bad. And now she wants to be Junior Spy? I actually understand why she would go to Pastor Tim, someone she trusts with this secret. I think most American kids would do something like that. I think it's an interesting age the writers chose for Paige to gain this knowledge. I think if she was older and more independent she would have given them up much more easily. She's a young teen and much more dependent on mom and dad. But, if they have to run back to USSR, I wonder how the kids will react to that. The son is even MORE ingrained in being American. There's no computers and video games in those days in the USSR.

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There's also the somewhat Commie-ish church she's deeply-involved with. I think that has predisposed her to accept Mom's propaganda (making the world a better place). And the reality of what Mom is up to is chipping away at that.

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Yes....I agree with this, too.

I think Paige reacted like a teen when she went to Pastor Tim. However, once she met Elizabeth's mother, they're giving her more info and she's feeling trusted by them, I think she's both intrigued and confused. And, they ARE her parents and she loves them. Her inclination is to trust them and she needs them.

I think Philip and Elizabeth's fear is that, if they don't give her as much info as possible (within reason, as they said 'they can't give her all the details') , she won't trust them, begin to dislike them and have more of an inclination to be frustrated and share with Pastor Tim or ....her new "beau".

I think she is acting like the perfect teen for her age (15/16?). She's smart and wants to be included..and that includes, in her parents' stuff.

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It's been a great path. "So, want to become a spy like us?" never would've worked. But...

Pastor Tim is great.
Pastor Tim didn't keep my confidence and blabbed to Alice.
Now I have to report on them? Yuck.
Alice threatened my family!
Did my parents do it?
Pastor Tim is OK! My parents didn't do it!
And I helped!
Now I'm helping with the neighbors!
Let me help more! Don't you trust me? I'm part of this!

Now she's eager.

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It's been a great path. "So, want to become a spy like us?" never would've worked. But...

Pastor Tim is great.
Pastor Tim didn't keep my confidence and blabbed to Alice.
Now I have to report on them? Yuck.
Alice threatened my family!
Did my parents do it?
Pastor Tim is OK! My parents didn't do it!
And I helped!
Now I'm helping with the neighbors!
Let me help more! Don't you trust me? I'm part of this!

Now she's eager.

Perfect!

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Also, "Do you trust me or not?!". Well you did run and tell Pastor Tim our big secret...
I hollered something similar to this at Paige several times in this episode.

I would think that if Paige and Elizabeth told people that they were almost mugged, but someone came along and distracted the muggers and they got away, it would be assumed that the same guys tried it on someone else and were killed. But you would wonder why the victim didn't report it. I guess he might be afraid of having to prove self defense, so he just left. Was there a second mugger who escaped? So he saw them?

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I wonder if anything is going to come of the phone call that Gabriel and Phillip made to Martha's mom. Will Martha's mom report that back to the FBI and Stan will find out? Seems like there would have to be some kind of fallout from that.

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I wonder if anything is going to come of the phone call that Gabriel and Phillip made to Martha's mom. Will Martha's mom report that back to the FBI and Stan will find out? Seems like there would have to be some kind of fallout from that.
I think they have a wiretap on the parent's phone, I vaguely recall them talking about it. But they called from a pay phone, and Gabriel did the talking, so gotta be difficult to track.

And there is no way the FBI can link the call to Stan telling his son telling Paige telling her parents.

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I think they have a wiretap on the parent's phone, I vaguely recall them talking about it. But they called from a pay phone, and Gabriel did the talking, so gotta be difficult to track.

And there is no way the FBI can link the call to Stan telling his son telling Paige telling her parents.
No, I'm not thinking the FBI will figure anything out from the Matthew and Paige thing or even track the call. I'm just wondering whether the fact that someone called and said that Martha is alive and being taken care of will trigger Stan to do some more investigating and maybe utilize Oleg to find out more.

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