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Old 02-10-2015, 07:22 PM   #1
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Gotham S01E15, "The Scarecrow" 2/9/2015

I'm glad I didn't make any bets concerning this week's episode based on last week's... I'd have lost big time.

Fish is in some flavor of jail... anyone have any idea what's going on with that? I get this is how she makes her comeback, but I don't see how we got from last week's "collision" to here.

"Leslie" is channeling her inner "Malcolm" from Firefly. Naughty girl. Of course, Jim is so uptight he squeaks. His facial expressions make me laugh.

Scarecrow origin story was interesting. Was his origin in the comic books? Similar?

So probably it's the Jim-Leslie-Edward triangle that sets Edward off... I would guess with help from Penguin.

Found a couple good Gotham Drinking Games ("because, what else are you going to be doing on a Monday night?")
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Old 02-10-2015, 10:42 PM   #2
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Since I've never read the comics, I'd like to better understand what happened with Scarecrow. The "fear vaccine" appeared to work on the father, so are we to understand that because the father gave the son a much larger dose, that it had the opposite effect? Or is it possible that because the dose was so large, it will just take the son longer to work through the effects, but once he does, he will become fearless like his father?

Fish was pretty bold to shiv the head inmate in charge without having anyone watching her back. What was to keep one of that guys henchmen from immediately killing her?

I loved that Alfred sat at the top of the hill and lit a fire while Bruce struggled his way up. That was a great scene to show how Bruce is being trained to be self-sufficient and that he can deal with anything.

So Penguin is protected from Maroni as long as Falcone is alive. Seems to me that would essentially be telling Penguin that he's got to figure out a way to kill Maroni before Falcone dies.
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The end scene last week of Fish and the pirate rushing together was utterly meaningless. They didn't show an embrace, a fight, or anything. It was just nothing.

The Riddler/Penguin scene was fun.
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It wasn't just "fear vaccine", it was a "cocktail" of a bunch of stuff that the father was grabbing and fumbling with as they were escaping the house (the doctor in the hospital explained that).

Fish had the knife in hand (or some knife in hand), and that seems to mean a lot to the prisoners.

Of course, Maroni says that Penguin is protected as long as Falcone is alive, and probably means it right now. It's a great threat (that could backfire as you said). But if Falcone dies first, does Maroni really want to get rid of an asset like Penguin?
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Old 02-10-2015, 11:47 PM   #5
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Has anyone else noticed that Jada Pinkett Smith's acting has gotten better? The first couple of episodes it was like she was on the 1960's version of Batman, but she's playing it straighter now, and not hamming it up as much.
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Old 02-11-2015, 05:27 AM   #6
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I was completely wrong about Fish running towards the pirate also. Looks like she's going to be the head Fish in charge of her own gang soon.

I wonder if Leslie eventually becomes a villain.
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It wasn't just "fear vaccine", it was a "cocktail" of a bunch of stuff that the father was grabbing and fumbling with as they were escaping the house (the doctor in the hospital explained that).
I think it WAS "just" fear vaccine; the doctor was talking about what it comprised.

The kid just got a mega-dose because Dad couldn't administer it on the prepared schedule, because of Gordon and Bullock interrupting.
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I think it WAS "just" fear vaccine; the doctor was talking about what it comprised.

The kid just got a mega-dose because Dad couldn't administer it on the prepared schedule, because of Gordon and Bullock interrupting.
The anti-vaxxers could have saved that kid.
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The anti-vaxxers could have saved that kid.
I wonder if Dr. Crane got FDA approval for his vaccine..?
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I wonder if Dr. Crane got FDA approval for his vaccine..?
When we outlaw vaccines, only criminals will have vaccines.
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Old 02-11-2015, 11:40 AM   #11
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Fish had the knife in hand (or some knife in hand), and that seems to mean a lot to the prisoners.
Earlier, when she asked Mace how a scrawny little guy like him has so much power, he holds up the knife and says that he has the only weapon.

Now she has the only weapon (and she killed the alpha dog), so she has the power.
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I think it WAS "just" fear vaccine; the doctor was talking about what it comprised.

The kid just got a mega-dose because Dad couldn't administer it on the prepared schedule, because of Gordon and Bullock interrupting.
Re-watched and you are correct. I originally misunderstood what he said.
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Prison Movie 101.

Identify the alpha dog and take him out. Become the alpha dog.
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I think it WAS "just" fear vaccine; the doctor was talking about what it comprised.

The kid just got a mega-dose because Dad couldn't administer it on the prepared schedule, because of Gordon and Bullock interrupting.
Maybe the elder Crane should have talked to Hal Jordan or Matt Murdock first.
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I saw an interesting guess on another board

I'll just leave this here for you to ponder without explicitly giving the guess away

Leslie invited Jim to the circus
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I saw an interesting guess on another board

I'll just leave this here for you to ponder without explicitly giving the guess away

Leslie invited Jim to the circus
Let me put it this way, when the circus dialog came up, I did wonder if it was the Haly Circus.
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Wonder if they have a decent trapeze act?
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I'll just leave this here for you to ponder without explicitly giving the guess away

Leslie invited Jim to the circus
where they'll see the flying Greysons? Dick wouldn't be born yet though right?
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In the comics does Penguin own a nightclub called the Umbrella or was this a nod to fans?
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In the comics does Penguin own a nightclub called the Umbrella or was this a nod to fans?
The nightclub was called Oswald's, the umbrella was simply the graphic representing the nightclub. (In the show, I don't recall in the comics if he ever ran one)
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The nightclub was called Oswald's, the umbrella was simply the graphic representing the nightclub. (In the show, I don't recall in the comics if he ever ran one)
He did, although in the New 52 I think it's a casino...
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where they'll see the flying Greysons? Dick wouldn't be born yet though right?
Dick will be born somewhere around the time Bruce is 16 or 17, in some of the origins he is really quite young when his parents die and Bruce takes him in.

It would be possible to see the flying Graysons now, before he is conceived.
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I was confused with the prison situation and Fish this week. I thought the head guy in the prison was the pirate from last episode and this was a flash back of how they met, until she killed the guy. Did they explain how she ended up in the prison? so weird.
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He did, although in the New 52 I think it's a casino...
In recent years (pre and post New 52), Penguin owns and runs the Iceberg Lounge which, IIRC, is more a lounge than a casino.

Of course, he does use it as a cover for more illegitimate activities....
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Prison Movie 101.

Identify the alpha dog and take him out. Become the alpha dog.
That reminds me of the statements that Penguin would never be the boss (whatever exactly they said).. Yet in all the other incarnations, we know that he eventually does become the boss.

I too wondered about the Scarecrow's origin compared to existing origin. I've only ever seen him in the Arkham video games, though I think he showed up on the various TV shows since the 1990s.. (I mean, I didn't go check wikipedia now, I have no idea if he's had a many many decades long history in Batman.)
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That reminds me of the statements that Penguin would never be the boss (whatever exactly they said).. Yet in all the other incarnations, we know that he eventually does become the boss.

I too wondered about the Scarecrow's origin compared to existing origin. I've only ever seen him in the Arkham video games, though I think he showed up on the various TV shows since the 1990s.. (I mean, I didn't go check wikipedia now, I have no idea if he's had a many many decades long history in Batman.)
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The character first appeared in World's Finest Comics #3 (Fall 1941) and was created by Bob Kane and Bill Finger.
I knew him from the 1960s but I had no idea he was from 1941.

It seems like a natural fit, though. The original point of the Bat suit was to "Strike fear into the hearts of evil-doers" so turn it around and have a villain who uses fear seems like a natural thought process.
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I'll help you out with that.


I knew him from the 1960s but I had no idea he was from 1941.

It seems like a natural fit, though. The original point of the Bat suit was to "Strike fear into the hearts of evil-doers" so turn it around and have a villain who uses fear seems like a natural though process.
He only appeared twice before the 1960's according to the wiki.
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The end scene last week of Fish and the pirate rushing together was utterly meaningless. They didn't show an embrace, a fight, or anything. It was just nothing.

The Riddler/Penguin scene was fun.
You've touched on the two points I was going to make. The rush ending last week was such an exciting way to end the episode last week, only to be followed up by *thud.* No pay off.

That being said, this is actually my favorite episode of the show thus far. The Riddler/Penguin meeting scene was very cool. Everything else just clicked for me, where in other episodes, I had always been on the fence about this show.

Still, I've been watching every week so I've obviously been leaning more one way than the other -- the right way I can now safely state.
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The rush ending last week was such an exciting way to end the episode last week, only to be followed up by *thud.* No pay off.
I agree that there was no pay off this week, but I'm sure it'll be addressed at some point. I could go either way on the idea that waiting for it makes it better or worse.
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I was confused with the prison situation and Fish this week. I thought the head guy in the prison was the pirate from last episode and this was a flash back of how they met, until she killed the guy. Did they explain how she ended up in the prison? so weird.
No. There're lots of ways to go from this, including some non-linear. Probably depends on what the writers came up with, or come up with. The pirate could still easily turn out to have been a friend.
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