Picture of the New Ad's

devlindark · 07-30-2005, 09:55 AM

Well I got a piture of what I believe is the new ad's Tivo will be putting in with commercials, I spoke about this before and I had thought it would be something that would happen only when you fast forward, but I can tell you it comes up during the commercial in real time, Only Problem is I can't figure out how to post the attachment here, Someone help me??? I click on attachment and it say script text here

JimSpence · 07-30-2005, 02:39 PM

Instead of using the icon for adding a picture use the Additional Options down further where it says Manage Attachments

devlindark · 07-30-2005, 06:59 PM

Thanks for the help and here is the picture

All in all not that bad actually as it doesn't really take up much space on the screen
and this type of ad's gets you access to the first 4 min on the movie which I think is they way to go. Much like AOL you can get Tivo exclusives to Movies and such

mick66 · 07-30-2005, 07:08 PM

The thumbs up ads have been around nearly forever, they've just been modified a little.

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I had thought it would be something that would happen only when you fast forward

That's exactly how the new ads will appear - during FF playback only.

DCIFRTHS · 07-31-2005, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by devlindark

Thanks for the help and here is the picture

All in all not that bad actually as it doesn't really take up much space on the screen
and this type of ad's gets you access to the first 4 min on the movie which I think is they way to go. Much like AOL you can get Tivo exclusives to Movies and such

I saw one first hand, and I agree with you.

The ads are not intrusive (IMO), and refined. I think TiVo did a good job especially considering that that they are unwanted additions.

I can live with them.

RoyK · 07-31-2005, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by DCIFRTHS

I saw one first hand, and I agree with you.

The ads are not intrusive (IMO), and refined. I think TiVo did a good job especially considering that that they are unwanted additions.

I can live with them.

We agree that they are unwanted additions.

I accept but differ ,however, with your opinion that they are not intrusive. I find them HIGHLY intrusive. And I won't repeat the expletives from my wife when one pops up on her.

We'll live with them. We don't have much choice. There are enough plusses with TiVo to offset these negatives --for now.

Roy (who's expecting to see the usual "If you don't like it --sell it" drivel )

spaced · 07-31-2005, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by RoyK

(who's expecting to see the usual "If you don't like it --sell it" drivel )

Roy, this is exactly like being forced to watch commercials before a movie at the theater if you paid for a ticket. In my mind, being of the Internet generation, ads make things free, and paying makes them go away. One could argue to just show up late to the movie and miss the commercials, but then you're forced to take the worst seat in the house. Same thing with TiVo... either sit through the ads, or don't use fast forward. You do have a choice!

I'm definitely with you on this one... down with the ads!

JimSpence · 07-31-2005, 07:16 AM

BTW, when I watched the first "4 minutes of Stealth" from the Showcase menu, my status bar only showed 3 minutes.

RoyK · 07-31-2005, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by spaced

Roy, this is exactly like being forced to watch commercials before a movie at the theater if you paid for a ticket. In my mind, being of the Internet generation, ads make things free, and paying makes them go away. One could argue to just show up late to the movie and miss the commercials, but then you're forced to take the worst seat in the house. Same thing with TiVo... either sit through the ads, or don't use fast forward. You do have a choice!

I'm definitely with you on this one... down with the ads!

Thanks.

Yes the ads that pop-up when FF thru them are terrible but at least they're brief. The ones like these (usually over promos for upcoming shows etc) appear real-time. No fast forwarding here.

Roy

kbmb · 07-31-2005, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by RoyK

Thanks.

Yes the ads that pop-up when FF thru them are terrible but at least they're brief. The ones like these (usually over promos for upcoming shows etc) appear real-time. No fast forwarding here.

Roy

So your complaining about an AD within an AD?

-Kevin

RoyK · 07-31-2005, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by kbmb

So your complaining about an AD within an AD?

-Kevin

You are quite astute.

HeyGuy · 07-31-2005, 09:54 AM

funny, i have encountered those ads since december of 04, Now they say it is new? how strange, I have encountered many commercials with the thumbs up for more info for close to 9 months now.

Turtleboy · 07-31-2005, 10:03 AM

Those aren't the new ads.

dgh · 07-31-2005, 10:04 AM

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funny, i have encountered those ads since december of 04, Now they say it is new?

They've been around much longer than that. The new bit is the customizable bottom part of the Icon. Tiny changes freak some people out. The promo/record this icons have always been very handy but there aren't nearly enough of them in my experience.

RoyK · 07-31-2005, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by HeyGuy

funny, i have encountered those ads since december of 04, Now they say it is new? how strange, I have encountered many commercials with the thumbs up for more info for close to 9 months now.

A quick look at devlindark's join date shows he's new to the TiVo Community. It's reasonable to assume that to him they are new. Others of us have been enduring them for much longer. New or old many of us find them intensely irritating. Many don't. Their newness or lack thereof have nothing to do with that.

timr_42 · 07-31-2005, 10:09 AM

I've always said that if they don't "MAKE" me watch, then I'm ok with it. If a little bug pops up, and I don't want to watch then I ignore it. Now, when they start making me watch things I don't want to that will be a different story. But I just have never seen why people get upset over this, or the yellow star on the main menu.

Turtleboy · 07-31-2005, 10:15 AM

But there are "new" ads, that is the fast forward ads.

What he saw are not them.

davezatz · 07-31-2005, 10:37 AM

I noticed the new ads (fast forward and not fast forward) for some movie preview yesterday. I'm glad Tivo got graphic artists involved in this - they're cute. I doubt I'll ever click on one, but I see this type of advertising as inevitable regardless of DVR platform going forward. (In fact there is an article in this week's Business Week regarding some a company that offers customized ad content.) So I'm glad Tivo at least made them somewhat unobtrustive and attractive.

I still find it ironic that Tivo sells us the ability to skip ads, then sells advertisers the ability to put them back in some form. Maybe ironic isn't the right word, maybe clever business strategy is more accurate.

While I'm posting anyone want to trade a 140HR Tivo with 8 months of service for a Toshiba SD-H400? We want to go Tivo Basic on one of our TV's. PM if interested.

dgh · 07-31-2005, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by davezatz

I still find it ironic that Tivo sells us the ability to skip ads, then sells advertisers the ability to put them back in some form. Maybe ironic isn't the right word, maybe clever business strategy is more accurate.

TiVo has been talking about this sort of thing since 1998 so I believe clever is indeed the better term.

It will be interesting to see if tweaks like these can save commercial TV in the long run, or whether it still ends up as PayTV or continuous product placement. I read an article in Newsweek recently that said that advertisers were already shrinking their budgets for broadcast TV due to the 5% of homes with DVRs where 70% of the users skip ads. It will be interesting to see how it shakes out.

jmoak · 07-31-2005, 12:47 PM

HIGHLY intrusive... down with the ads!... ads () are terrible... intensely irritating...

I use to see these kind of responses and wonder "What the heck are they talking about?!?" Being a tivo user for more than five years now, I've really never been upset about what years ago were called "Tivomatic Icons", later renamed "IPreview Icons" and since dubbed by the reactionary press as "(Evil) Popups". It use to bug me to no avail how some could get so upset about something I never even notice unless I go looking for them.

But I think I've figured it out.

I really never even see them.

Really!

Now wait a minute before you poopoo this post and skip it saying, "Ahhh... Just another damn fanboy."

I actually hardly see them, and if I do it's only for a fraction of a second. You see, I'm a hard core 30 second skip user.

That's right! The old "Select, Play, Select, Three, Zero, Select" trick.

Some of you guys are use to the rapid fast forward and have actually mastered it well. I can fully understand your reluctance to use another method of commercial skipping after getting so use to it. But in using the fast forward method, you have to see these ads that upset you so. One has even gone as so far as mentioning that he can't even "repeat the expletives from (his) wife when one pops up on her"!

So in an effort to rid yourselves of "HIGHLY intrusive, terrible (and) intensely irritating" ads, and maybe even keeping the peace at home, give the 30 second skip a try. You may jump into the program sometimes using it, but the "7 seconds back" button is great for this. It won't take long to get use to it!

It may take a little bit to get use to, but it's got to be better than hearing your wife curse at the tv!

davezatz · 07-31-2005, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jmoak

I actually hardly see them, and if I do it's only for a fraction of a second. You see, I'm a hard core 30 second skip user.

That's right! The old "Select, Play, Select, Three, Zero, Select" trick.

So in an effort to rid yourselves of "HIGHLY intrusive, terrible (and) intensely irritating" ads, and maybe even keeping the peace at home, give the 30 second skip a try.

Until everyone starts using and forces Tivo to remove it.

Seriously, I'd use it if our main unit (Tosh SD-H400) supported it - no ttat the ads bother me.

Too bad none of the current DVR makers have the cajones or care enough about the subscribers to implement the auto commercial skip that Replay had. That's why I love Netflixing last season on DVD (Rescue Me, Entourage, MI-5, Monk, whatever) instead of on TV - no commercials, no skipping, and I can watch an entire season at my convenience in a week or so.

RoyK · 07-31-2005, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jmoak

HIGHLY intrusive... down with the ads!... ads () are terrible... intensely irritating...

I actually hardly see them, and if I do it's only for a fraction of a second. You see, I'm a hard core 30 second skip user.

That's right! The old "Select, Play, Select, Three, Zero, Select" trick.

Well my friend in the first place maybe you hardly see them but others do and in the second place the 30 second skip doesn't work on my Toshiba units.

You don't find them intensely irritating. Super. I do.

JimSpence · 07-31-2005, 01:41 PM

When TiVo implements the "can't FF through these ads" is when the complaints will really fly here.

jmoak · 07-31-2005, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by RoyK

Well my friend in the first place maybe you hardly see them but others do and in the second place the 30 second skip doesn't work on my Toshiba units.

You don't find them intensely irritating. Super. I do.

Ahhh.... A tivo with no 30 second skip... dude, that's just not right.

The only reason I don't find them irritating is simply that I don't see them. If I had a box that would not let me skip in 30 second increments, I'd might feel the same way you do.

If you ever need a voice or a signature in trying to get Toshiba to add it, let me know. If that don't work, I'll join in with you in trying to get tivo to lay what pressure they can on them.

If my tivo's did not have the ability to skip 30 seconds at a pop..... well, I would not own a tivo. Call me crazy, but it's a "got to have it" for me.

My friend, I feel for ya. That just sucks.

jmoak · 07-31-2005, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by JimSpence

When TiVo implements the "can't FF through these ads" is when the complaints will really fly here.

""can't FF through these ads"???
I personally think that would be the ultimate in stupidity for tivo. I give them more credit than that. They can't be that moronic.

You're taking a little creative license with that "When", aren't you? If not, please point me to that statement from tivo corp. ("expert analyst speculation" does not count!

)

If that's implemented, I just would not use tivo's.

They can't be that stupid.

dgh · 07-31-2005, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jmoak

You're taking a little creative license with that "When", aren't you? If not, please point me to that statement from tivo corp. ("expert analyst speculation" does not count!

)

Does "When Pigs Fly" mean they're working on it?

HeyGuy · 07-31-2005, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RoyK

A quick look at devlindark's join date shows he's new to the TiVo Community. It's reasonable to assume that to him they are new. Others of us have been enduring them for much longer. New or old many of us find them intensely irritating. Many don't. Their newness or lack thereof have nothing to do with that.

what? I dont know if that is a beef or what but all I am saying is I have seen ads like that for sometime, and if TiVo claims that to be new ad technology, well its been around.

pdhenry · 07-31-2005, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RoyK

Well my friend in the first place maybe you hardly see them but others do and in the second place the 30 second skip doesn't work on my Toshiba units.

You don't find them intensely irritating. Super. I do.

OK, here's a quiz question.

When you're FF'ing through the ads (without the 30-second skip feature), how long is a 30 second commercial on your screen?

Spoiler:

RoyK · 07-31-2005, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by pdhenry

OK, here's a quiz question.

When you're FF'ing through the ads (without the 30-second skip feature), how long is a 30 second commercial on your screen?

Spoiler:

Ever get an electrical shock? Stick yourself with something sharp? How long did the discomfort last? Want it on a regular basis?

mick66 · 07-31-2005, 04:01 PM

I don't get why so many supposedly intelligent people have to get their panties in a wad over such a non issue. Especially in a thread started by someone who didn't have a clue that the ad he saw was not what he thinks it is.

The major thing with Tivo is time shifting. You FF through a set of commercials at the speed of your choice (1xff, 2xff, 3xff). At 2xff you'd only see one of the new ads placed over a 30 second commercial for about 3 seconds and at 3xff you can cut that time in about half. While the ad is being displayed for those seconds you are still doing your timeshifting exactly as you have before. So every once in a great while you'll see something for 3 seconds that you wouldn't see otherwise, BFD. Even if every advertiser chose to use these ads on Tivo for every one of their commercials, your quality of life would not be affected. If those seconds of an ad are so obstructive and intrusive to your life, you have much bigger problems to deal with.