No need for MyDVD, Nero works fine.

DZRhino · 01-27-2005, 11:28 AM

Don't waste $50 on Sonic MyDVD (which is a piece of poop), NeroVision Express 3 works fine. So far I have made a VCD and a DVD from a 1/2 hour show that I transferred over via TivoToGo.

Transcoding takes the same time it would take with a non-protected DVD. Takes about an hour for each 1/2 hour. When you start to transcode, it asks you for your password and then proceeds just like it would with anything else.

You can use NVE3 to assemble your favorite programs onto a single disk, etc..

I am only using the CODECs that came with Nero. I assume that it is using the Tivo supplied filters that get installed with Tivo Desktop.

I use the entire Nero 6 Ultra Edition with all plugins (which I own). I would recommend getting the packaged version which you can find on a discount. That way you get all the plugins for free.

This experience tells me that some of the freeware DVD burning programs will probably work as well as some other competitors to Sonic.

Darren1966 · 01-27-2005, 11:45 AM

I was going to post this today also. I finally got tivotogo last night and I transferred a show to my computer and my Nero express 2 made a vcd (video CD) without any problems. I haven't tried to make a DVD yet but I don't foresee any problems there since making a vcd was so easy.

rlcarr · 01-27-2005, 01:37 PM

I wish I had the same luck you guys have

.

Nero Vision Express has only worked for one of my .tivo files. Even though it asks for the password.

TivoPip · 01-27-2005, 01:59 PM

Quote:

This experience tells me that some of the freeware DVD burning programs will probably work as well as some other competitors to Sonic.

As long as the freeware DVD burnning program is directshow aware, then its possible.

dmlove51 · 01-27-2005, 03:06 PM

Quote:

As long as the freeware DVD burnning program is directshow aware, then its possible.

I asked yesterday, but no one answered - what does this mean, and how can you tell if the program is "aware"?

m750 · 01-27-2005, 03:12 PM

1 google:

DirectShow

DirectShow (formerly ActiveMovie) is a multimedia architecture developed by Microsoft. It is part of Windows 98, Windows 2000, Windows XP and Internet Explorer, and available separately for free download from Microsoft (as part of DirectX).

DirectShow divides the processing of multimedia tasks such as video playback into a set of steps known as filters. Filters have a number of input and output pins which connect them together. The generic design of the connection mechanism means that filters can be connected in many different ways to achieve different tasks, and developers can add their own effects or other filters at any stage in the graph. DirectShow filter graphs are widely used in video playback (in which the filters will provide steps such as file parsing, video and audio de-multiplexing, decompressing and rendering) as well as being used for video and audio recording and editing. Interactive tasks such as DVD navigation are also successfully based on DirectShow.

To get started on developing a DirectShow filter, try the filter wizard for Visual Studio from John McAleely. This is way of creating a Visual C++ project for a DirectShow filter. It will create the code for a filter with no pins. This can then be modified by you to add pin and other code to create a useful filter.

toots · 01-27-2005, 03:15 PM

I think the quickest way you'll know is if/when you tell it the .tivo file you want to burn, the filter pops up a window asking you for the playback password.

dmlove51 · 01-27-2005, 03:16 PM

The answer is wayyyyyyyy beyond what I wanted to know. I still don't know how you know whether a program is "DirectShow aware "?

m750 · 01-27-2005, 04:13 PM

and the answer to that is... trial and error.

. Sorry...
AO

tfratzke · 01-27-2005, 05:34 PM

I tried NVE2 the first time and got black screen, but my audio was fine. Then i tried NVE3 and just imported the .tivo file, burned the DVD and it worked fine. The only thing i did notice was the video playback quality on my TV was terrible. Audio was perfect. Maybe i did something wrong, like not changing the quallity (not sure if that's an option in NVE3). So then i tried Sonic, burned the same .tivo file, left the burn setting on "Fit to DVD", and the results looked great on my TV and my original TiVo recording was only Medium Quality. While Sonic is easy to use, it does seem slower than NVE3, but then again i was much happier with the results. I am not giving up on NVE3, and will defintely try it again. I just need to figure out how to change the quality of the burned DVD.

Tony

morac · 01-27-2005, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dmlove51
The answer is wayyyyyyyy beyond what I wanted to know. I still don't know how you know whether a program is "DirectShow aware "?

Pretty much any windows program made in the last few years should be DirectShow aware (If you have an old Win95 program most likely it is not "DS aware").

A good way to tell if a program uses DirectShow is if the program is capable of burning multiple file formats (DivX, MPG4, WMV, AVI, etc) to DVD and not just one specific file format.

toots · 01-27-2005, 05:57 PM

Yeah, on NVE, I generally choose the DVD output profile, and crank the quality up a bit. I think the default quality would downsample to 350x480

DZRhino · 01-27-2005, 06:14 PM

I kept having problems getting out to a DVD format with NeroVision Express 3. It would blow up sometimes during transcode.

After a little trial and error I found the way:

1) Go to NVE3
2) Select 'Make Movie'
3) Browse for Media to My Tivo Recordings
4) Under 'file type' select "All Files *.*"
5) Pick your Tivo recording that you want to burn
6) Edit the file to using the sissors to the length and parts you want.
7) Select 'EXPORT MOVIE' and then select DVD format.
8) Export it, don't forget to name the file so you'll know what it is. It takes a minute for every minute of video time to export.
9) You now have a regular MPG movie file ready to edit, merge, etc. with other MPG files.
9) Back to Make Movie in NVE3 and select the exported file(s) and make a movie just like you would from any normal DVD format file.
10) Burn and enjoy!!!

Exporting it seems to clear any problems in transcoding etc.

Just burnt 3 different DVDs and they all work great!

Also did a SVCD and a MiniDVD to CD just to see if I could.

Let me know if you have any input or suggestions.

Additional info: I had some problems getting Nero through the longer shows, so I sent them a support question with the complete log. Their answer was: "Please deactivate the "burn at once" mode before bruning so the process will be finished succesfully.
Additional please bring your Nero up to date.
You can download the latest Nero 6 update from :
http://www.nero.com/en/nero-up.php"

dmk1974 · 01-27-2005, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DZRhino
I kept having problems getting out to a DVD format with NeroVision Express 3. It would blow up sometimes during transcode.

After a little trial and error I found the way:

1) Go to NVE3
2) Select 'Make Movie'
3) Browse for Media to My Tivo Recordings
4) Under 'file type' select "All Files *.*"
5) Pick your Tivo recording that you want to burn
6) Edit the file to using the sissors to the length and parts you want.
7) Select 'EXPORT MOVIE' and then select DVD format.
8) Export it, don't forget to name the file so you'll know what it is. It takes a minute for every minute of video time to export.
9) You now have a regular MPG movie file ready to edit, merge, etc. with other MPG files.
9) Back to Make Movie in NVE3 and select the exported file(s) and make a movie just like you would from any normal DVD format file.
10) Burn and enjoy!!!

Exporting it seems to clear any problems in transcoding etc.

Just burnt 3 different DVDs and they all work great!

Also did a SVCD and a MiniDVD to CD just to see if I could.

Let me know if you have any input or suggestions.

Thanks DZRhino...this works great!

Do you have to make the movie first or can your just make a video DVD in NVE3? I haven't tried yet since you have to transfer the whole show and it will take a while.

DZRhino · 01-27-2005, 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dmk1974
Thanks DZRhino...this works great!

Do you have to make the movie first or can your just make a video DVD in NVE3? I haven't tried yet since you have to transfer the whole show and it will take a while.

You use the NVE3 movie maker to set up the export. I recommend trimming the video if you can as that cuts the time. You may not want to spend the time cutting the ads etc. out. I just made sure it began with the show and ended with the show. After export, I used NVE3 to open the exported file, edit and then make the DVD in Movie Maker. I would think you could also use anything that would edit standard MPG2 files. Good question . . . I think I will try Adobe Premier and Pinnacel 9 to see if they can handle the exported file. When I tried the Tivo file originally they couldn't.

BillShannon · 01-28-2005, 02:37 AM

I tried using NVE3 and I can't get it to work. I import the .tvio file into NVE
and it asks for my password, but when I try to edit it or play it in NVE, all
I get is a black screen with audio noise. It appears that it's not decrypting
it properly. Curiously enough, in the My Media Files section, it correctly
shows a frame from the video next to the imported .tivo file.

What could I be doing wrong?

dobbie1 · 01-28-2005, 06:25 AM

I am not having any luck with NVE3 either. It doesn't even ask for my password. I will give the above instructions a try, but I think it may be a hit and miss situation. Some work some don't.

DZRhino · 01-28-2005, 10:04 AM

For those of you trying to use NERO and having problems:

What version of Nero and of NVE3 do you have? Version of DirectX? Version of the OS? Use the Nero Infotool (under Tools) to check your software loaded and the versions.

I am using MS XP Pro SP2. My NVE3 is the latest: 3.0.1.27 and I have downloaded all the available plugins. DirectX is 9.0c.

Video Codecs on my system:
------------
Cinepak Codec by Radius : 1.10.0.11
Intel Indeo(R) Video R3.2
Intel Indeo(R) Video R3.2
Microsoft RLE : 5.1.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158)
Microsoft Video 1 : 5.1.2600.0 (xpclient.010817-1148)
Microsoft H.263 Video Codec : 5.1.2600.2180
Microsoft H.261 Video Codec : 5.1.2600.2180
Indeo® video 5.10 : R.5.10.15.2.55
Microsoft YUV : 5.3.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158)
Microsoft YUV : 5.3.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158)
Microsoft YUV : 5.3.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158)
Intel IYUV codec : 5.1.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158)
Toshiba YUV Codec : 5.1.2600.0 (XPClient.010817-1148)
PICVideo MJPEG Codec : 2.10.0.25
PCLEPIM1 32-bit Compressor : 2.00
Intel 4|2|0 Video V2.50 : 5.1.2600.2180
Intel Indeo® Video 4.5 : 4.51.16.03

dobbie1 · 01-28-2005, 11:05 AM

I am running xp/w sp2, directx 9.c and latest release of all Nero 6 components. I will have to check on the codecs tonight when I get home. I am able to play back the video file properly with Windows Media Player 10, it ask for the password and TMPGEnc ask for the password. Not sure what the problem is with Nero but will compare my codecs with the ones you have listed.

BillShannon · 01-29-2005, 02:40 AM

I have XP Home, SP2, DirectX 9.0c, NVE 3.0.1.14, which I downloaded just a
few days ago. I guess I should download again and see if I get a newer
version (3.0.1.27 or better)?

I have these codecs:

Video Codecs
------------
Cinepak Codec by Radius : 1.10.0.11
Intel 4|2|0 Video V2.50 : 5.1.2600.2180
Intel Indeo(R) Video R3.2
Intel Indeo(R) Video R3.2
Intel IYUV codec : 5.1.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158)
Microsoft RLE : 5.1.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158)
Microsoft Video 1 : 5.1.2600.0 (xpclient.010817-1148)
Microsoft YUV : 5.3.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158)
Microsoft YUV : 5.3.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158)
Toshiba YUV Codec : 5.1.2600.0 (XPClient.010817-1148)
Microsoft YUV : 5.3.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158)
Microsoft H.263 Video Codec : 5.1.2600.2180
Microsoft H.261 Video Codec : 5.1.2600.2180
Intel Indeo® Video 4.5 : 4.51.16.03
Indeo® video 5.10 : R.5.10.15.2.55
DivX® 5.2.1 Codec : 5.2.1.1328

BillShannon · 01-29-2005, 03:15 AM

I just upgraded to NVE 3.0.1.27, still doesn't work.
Also, it's no longer asking for my password when importing
.tivo files.

The only codecs I'm missing from DZRhino's working configuration are:
PICVideo MJPEG Codec : 2.10.0.25
PCLEPIM1 32-bit Compressor : 2.00
Any idea where they're from or if they're important?

cbordman · 01-29-2005, 04:56 AM

I have NVE2. It plays back fine in the preview mode. But exporting an MPG produces a black screen.

CashTiVo · 01-29-2005, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BillShannon

I have these codecs:

Video Codecs
------------
Cinepak Codec by Radius : 1.10.0.11
Intel 4|2|0 Video V2.50 : 5.1.2600.2180
Intel Indeo(R) Video R3.2
Intel Indeo(R) Video R3.2
Intel IYUV codec : 5.1.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158)
Microsoft RLE : 5.1.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158)
Microsoft Video 1 : 5.1.2600.0 (xpclient.010817-1148)
Microsoft YUV : 5.3.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158)
Microsoft YUV : 5.3.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158)
Toshiba YUV Codec : 5.1.2600.0 (XPClient.010817-1148)
Microsoft YUV : 5.3.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158)
Microsoft H.263 Video Codec : 5.1.2600.2180
Microsoft H.261 Video Codec : 5.1.2600.2180
Intel Indeo® Video 4.5 : 4.51.16.03
Indeo® video 5.10 : R.5.10.15.2.55
DivX® 5.2.1 Codec : 5.2.1.1328

What MS tool did you use to show your CODEC versions? I can only find them in Device Manager.

Also when I use Nero mine tivo files are semi good on the top half and black on the bottom half. Also there is blocks of green mixed every now and then.

Rob W · 01-29-2005, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by cbordman
I have NVE2. It plays back fine in the preview mode. But exporting an MPG produces a black screen.

Similar results with NVE2. Preview mode has the audio and video by then when I export to mpg I get the audio but the video just shows a still image all the way through.

I have been playing around with a 2 hour movie so the procees has been slow.

I am going to tape 2 minutes of any show on tivo, send to my computer and then play around with that tiny file.

My first run with the trial of Sonic crashed about 3 hours into the transcoding. This is why I am playing around with Nero now (and a much smaller file size).

BillShannon · 01-29-2005, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CashTiVo
What MS tool did you use to show your CODEC versions? I can only find them in Device Manager.

I didn't use a MS tool, I used the InfoTool that comes with Nero.

CashTiVo · 01-29-2005, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BillShannon
I didn't use a MS tool, I used the InfoTool that comes with Nero.

That was it, I was missing the Ligo codecs! Nero now works, thanks.

toots · 01-29-2005, 04:40 PM

Ligo codec?

ukcolonelcolin · 01-29-2005, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CashTiVo
That was it, I was missing the Ligo codecs! Nero now works, thanks.

Where did you find this codec? My nero does not work with the tivo files either.

CashTiVo · 01-29-2005, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ukcolonelcolin
Where did you find this codec? My nero does not work with the tivo files either.

No gaurantee that this will fix your problem but it did fix mine.

http://www.ligos.com/estore.htm

mike_flood · 01-29-2005, 05:40 PM

Thanks for this info.
I'll try Nero. I have never used it to burn DVD's but it sounds promising.

I have the Trial of MyDVD and it works fine. But if I can do the job with something I already have it makes sense to do so.

If I'd get my $100 rebate I might consider spending more money on TiVo stuff.