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Old 02-02-2005, 09:18 PM   #301
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As Jerw posted:

Yes, it is most definently DirecTV... As pre-R10, we can run the same software version that is on the TiVo non-combo units. And have HMO. (granted you have to "hack" it a bit, but the physical hardware fully supports it).

DirecTV has never given us a definently reason Why they don't support.
Some think it is $$$ related to support of home networks, others think it is $$$ related to the Tivo Software contract, others relate it to DirecTV's fear of people improperly using the digital signal...

Which ever it is, it is DirecTV's control.
If Tivo had their way, they would have it on our units as it only helps them in promoting their HMO feature set...

There are hundreds of threads that discuss this in more detail... Usually daily one starts... So before this review thread becomes one... To wrap this up...

The R10 is a new product that can't be hack to run HMO/MRV, at this time. DirecTV has not announced any support for HMO/MRV nor have they announced that it will never be suppoted.
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Old 02-02-2005, 11:25 PM   #302
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So I guess the R10 and all the Tivo boxes for Direct TV are done..

The NDS solution is final and they will ship the R15 shortly.. I guess they dont' want to pay for Tivo LIcensing anymore.
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Old 02-02-2005, 11:31 PM   #303
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The NDS solution is final and they will ship the R15 shortly.
Where did you get this information from?
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Old 02-02-2005, 11:50 PM   #304
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This came from Direct TV guys when I was at the show last month.. I thought this was regular info now.. The NDS solutions are very nice and years ahead of Tivo. The Media solution box with Cat 5 media boxes in each room is an NDS solution. 4 HD tuners in the main box including the NDS recorder software..

Tivo is is deep yogurt. If Direct TV makes up 75% of Tivo sales, they are about to have a quarter beyond bad !
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Old 02-03-2005, 08:14 AM   #305
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This came from Direct TV guys when I was at the show last month.. I thought this was regular info now.. The NDS solutions are very nice and years ahead of Tivo. The Media solution box with Cat 5 media boxes in each room is an NDS solution. 4 HD tuners in the main box including the NDS recorder software..

Tivo is is deep yogurt. If Direct TV makes up 75% of Tivo sales, they are about to have a quarter beyond bad !
This is NOT a NDS solution. It's made by a company called Ucentric. It was shown at CES in 2004 also, but in the VOOM booth.

Ucentric was just purchased by Motorola.

NDS is shipping a DirecTivo replacement. I would not call it "years ahead". It's a rather evoluionary product.
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Old 02-03-2005, 08:26 AM   #306
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Fraid you are wrong.. The Solution I am speakign of was displayed in the Direct TV booth on the right side. It was entirely a NDS solution as the NDS guys spent 30 minutes with us explainging the workings of it..
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Old 02-03-2005, 08:35 AM   #307
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Fraid you are wrong.. The Solution I am speakign of was displayed in the Direct TV booth on the right side. It was entirely a NDS solution as the NDS guys spent 30 minutes with us explainging the workings of it..
Yes. I was there also. There were 2 systems on display at the CES booth.

One was a PVR box. No HD support. No multi-room viewing. That's the box from NDS.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/indust...1-29-dvr_x.htm

It will be out in the middle of the year. Maybe even earlier.

The other was the multi-room setup. That box was created by Ucentric.

http://www.forbes.com/prnewswire/fee...F_SFTH011.html
http://www.ucentric.com/index.php?news/mentions/145

They SAID it will be out before x-mas, but most people believe we won't see it until 1Q 2006.
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Old 02-03-2005, 09:27 AM   #308
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Ok Guys,
I am on Direct TV and was going to go out tomorrow and get a R10. By what I read by you guys I may want to wait for a newer R15 or something like that. What is better, to get the R10 with the shortcomings that it has or wait.
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Old 02-03-2005, 09:51 AM   #309
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Ok Guys,
I am on Direct TV and was going to go out tomorrow and get a R10. By what I read by you guys I may want to wait for a newer R15 or something like that. What is better, to get the R10 with the shortcomings that it has or wait.
If you are talking about the NDS box... I don't know if its worth the wait.

There are FEW features that the NDS box have that the DirecTivo doesn't:
It supports some of the new "interactive" channels (MIX channels). These don't seem that interesting to me to be honest. But you may be able to get the local weather displayed on a channel.

It uses a DirecTV like guide, that's actually fast. The Tivo's have a DirecTV-grid guide setup, but it's way too slow. Most people just change the guide settings and the use Tivo guide setup, which I like better than the grid anyways. It's a better design for people who don't watch much live TV.

The box I saw at CES had component video output. I believe it just outputs 480p. That should show a "slight" improvement in video quality. But not so dramatic to offset other issues.

However I didn't get a chance to check the overall user interface of the NDS box. IE: The usability factor. We already now that the Tivo scores very high in this department - it's both easy and powerful.

I'm skeptical about the NDS box meeting the Tivo's simpler design. But I will give it a chance. The NDS box looks far more evolutionary.

The Home Media Center is the other new PVR coming from DirecTV, but it probably won't be available for a year. So I wouldn't wait.
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Old 02-03-2005, 09:59 AM   #310
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For $99 (or less)... You will get more then your money's worth by the time any NDS or HMC units are available.

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Old 02-03-2005, 10:02 AM   #311
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This may be a dumb question, but what is NDS?

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Old 02-03-2005, 10:24 AM   #312
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Thanks EB and Mis... Being new I wanted to see if it was really worth even $99 geting the R10. Looking at all of the threads all everyone talks about is the slow stuff and fuzzy pictures. I guess I will dive right in and get the R10 tomorrow.
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Old 02-03-2005, 10:40 AM   #313
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Ahhh Ucentric , you are right , Thanks for that..

Hey, The R10's we have are getting slow slow slow.. Ther are fast out of the gate and now after 2 weeks of storage they are crawling..

What is next for DVR's ?? I guess just the R15 ? Anyone else going to be doing boxes ?
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Old 02-03-2005, 10:51 AM   #314
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This may be a dumb question, but what is NDS?

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NDS is a sister company to DirecTV - both majority owned by Rupert Murdoch's News Corp. They have a DVR in the UK that they will be selling to DirecTV (similar in functionality) in 2005.

http://www.nds.com/

The XTV DVR:

http://www.nds.com/personal_tv/personal_tv.html
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Old 02-03-2005, 12:29 PM   #315
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Why don't we start a new thread on all this as none of it has anything to do with "A review of the R10" which is the heading ?

Also I have had my R10 for about 3 months now, 98 SP's and about 20 WL's and its still WAY faster than my Philips DirecTiVo in every aspect. People just forget how slow the older units were. My Philips is in the bedroom and every night I'm like "man this thing is slow" as I use the R10 all the time in the living room.


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Old 02-03-2005, 12:45 PM   #316
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GR8 Review

WoW...

Thanks ebonovic for the time and effort you put into the review.

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Old 02-03-2005, 04:43 PM   #317
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R10 VS Hughes SD-DVR120...HELP

I bought a R10 in Dec, I love it, but I was having trouble with the phone line connecting. Direct TV sent me a DVR120 when they said they would send me the same model I had bought, (R10).
Would anyone happen to know witch one is better?

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Old 02-03-2005, 04:47 PM   #318
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The DVR120 is better. Keep it.
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Old 02-03-2005, 04:47 PM   #319
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Based on size: the DVR120 is better, as it will give you about 30 more hours.

From a hardware design/quality point of view. Again, the DVR120, as it was built before the build cost was reduced for the R10. (Differen MOBO design and lower quality level of some of the pieces).

From a speed point of view: The r10 is quicker
From a feature set point of view: The r10 has 6.1 thus has folders.

Note: the DVR120 should get an upgraded to 6.2 in the next month or so.

From a "hacking" point of the view, the DVR120 is, the R10 is not at this point.
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Are you saying that I will be able to upgrade my 120 to 6.2 or are you saying that the new 120 coming out will be upgraded?

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Old 02-03-2005, 04:55 PM   #321
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Will I be able to upgrade the DVR 120 to 6.2? and if that is possible, what would something like that cost and where would I be able to purchase the upgrade?
You cannot upgrade it to 6.2. DirecTV will be doing that very soon. It's a free upgrade, and all you have to do is keep your receiver connected to a phone line to get it.
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Thanks for your help.
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Old 02-05-2005, 10:09 AM   #323
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Haven't clipped it yet.

Got my 21 day notice, Saturday... So soon... very soon.
We'll Earl, its 28 days today right ?? Wondering if you are starting to see any issues without the Phone line connected ? I guess Monday is the Big Day. Let us know... Thanks
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Old 02-05-2005, 10:14 AM   #324
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Well I checked one of my R10's last night.

It last called on 1/5/2005.
It is still recording, and has scheduled recordings way past the 14th.

It is supposed to try and call tonight, so let's see what the unit says tomorrow.
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Old 02-07-2005, 02:01 PM   #325
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Ive had my R-10 for just over 48 hrs. So far, so good.
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Old 02-08-2005, 08:36 AM   #326
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So which unit does someone reccomend. I am looking to replace my Hughes HDVR2 with something newer. Can anyone reccomend something.
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Any of them are fine... The R10 is the newest.
All the other units are identical underneath the case, with the exception of the size of their hard drive.

So I would first recommend the Philips DSR series, as I simply love their outer casing. Followed by the R10.
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Old 02-08-2005, 10:27 AM   #328
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Earl, what's the phone status today?

I just checked my R10. There was one message about no call for 14 days. My last successfull call was 1/20.

Info screen says guide data to 2/18. But the one channel I checked has program info through 2/20.
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Earl, what's the phone status today?

I just checked my R10. There was one message about no call for 14 days. My last successfull call was 1/20.

Info screen says guide data to 2/18. But the one channel I checked has program info through 2/20.
33 Days so far.. Daily nag message.
I have recording scheduled past 2/16 so far (stopped scrolling at that point).
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Old 02-09-2005, 02:16 AM   #330
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I wonder if anyone here can read barcodes?
Better yet, anyone got a barcode reader?
Wonder if you should block those out too.

Also, your UPS tracking # still works.
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