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Old 10-10-2003, 07:36 AM   #61
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Old 10-10-2003, 07:43 AM   #62
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When using endpad thewvideo has frozen twice, and have needed change channels to unfreeze. This seems to have happened once while recording , once when not. As this did not happen before I can only put it down to endpad.

I also had startrd.tcl running at the same time, could this be causing a clash and thus the video freeze?
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Old 10-10-2003, 07:50 AM   #63
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If there's two suggestions scheduled back to back, or a regular programme followed immediately by a suggestion, will the first show be soft padded?
I think this is how we want it to work I would rather have a padded regular programme and miss the suggestion.

If its two suggestions back to back, again is it best to to get one full suggested programme than two suggestion with missed endings? Can't make up my mind on this, no doubt as author sanderton will make the decsion on which is easiest(and most stable).
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Old 10-10-2003, 07:57 AM   #64
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I think it's very unlikely that endpad could interfere with the video in that way; especially not when there is no recording going on.

When there is no recording it is simply polling to see if a text file exists every minute - hard to see how that could freeze the video.

It won't clash with the red dot remover even if they were timed to go off at the same time; they only make one call to the same bit of data, and both use TiVo's built-in locking mechanism to avoid a clash.

The red dot remover is more likley to cause a problem as it simulates sending IR signals to the TiVo, and also capures the keypress events from a received IR signal, both things that could, I guess, cause issues if there was a problem.

I've been running endpad and noredot on one of my two TiVos with no issues (yet!).

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If its two suggestions back to back, again is it best to to get one full suggested programme than two suggestion with missed endings? Can't make up my mind on this, no doubt as author sanderton will make the decsion on which is easiest(and most stable).
I'm not sure that the assumption that endings are 'normally' missed is right. I would prefer to have both suggestions recorded and run the risk of an ending being missed. After all, if I was that interested in the programme I would have set up an explicit recording. If only the first suggestion was recorded (because of padding), the second (now cancelled) suggestion may have actually been a programme that better matched my viewing habits (or was more interested in). After all, we know how random TiVo's suggestions can be

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Yes, but you're logic has the starpad programme checking 5 mins before if 5 mins can be added - and I think you have to give the TiVo a chance to react to the changed padding settings - i'm not sure if it's event driven or ssome kind of timed check.
If time was needed then perhaps you could check at 'padding duration' + 'n' seconds or check at 'padding time' and then start recording at 'padding time' - 'n' seconds?
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I think it's very unlikely that endpad could interfere with the video in that way; especially not when there is no recording going on.......
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...I've been running endpad and noredot on one of my two TiVos with no issues (yet!).
Thanks,

I will have a play to see if i can re-create, or maybe it was just a "blip" on my system
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I started down that road, but the run times of startpad and endpad would have to be co-ordinated, as once soft padding is added it cannot be told apart from padding added manually
It really needs to be one script to handle the end padding, start padding, and possibly negative padding. Trying to coordinate multiple scripts in a safe fashion seems much harder than using a single script.

As for distinguishing between soft padding and the original hard padding, just save (in a variable outside the main loop and, eventually, also to a state file on disk) the ID and original end padding of the current recording (if any) and the ID and original start padding of the next non-suggestion recording. This information can be used between runs of the padding script to know what is soft padding and what is not. It can also be used within the script when this knowledge is necessary.
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It really needs to be one script to handle the end padding, start padding, and possibly negative padding. Trying to coordinate multiple scripts in a safe fashion seems much harder than using a single script.

As for distinguishing between soft padding and the original hard padding, just save (in a variable outside the main loop and, eventually, also to a state file on disk) the ID and original end padding of the current recording (if any) and the ID and original start padding of the next non-suggestion recording. This information can be used between runs of the padding script to know what is soft padding and what is not. It can also be used within the script when this knowledge is necessary.
I agree, it will be a single app.

I'm aiming to make it so that it simply doesn't need to know about what is soft and what is hard. (Insert own Carry On joke here..)
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As long as you don't care about reducing the soft padding of a recording in progress in the case where someone kills and then restarts endpad with a smaller amount of padding (and I wouldn't), that should be possible.
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OK, I'm having trouble getting the script to run. The tcl script is ideal for me, as I'm an airnet user and have dodgy reception!

I've downloaded the zip, and unzipped it using winzip. I've then transferred it using cuteftp to my tivo (ascii transfer) without opening the file. I've then telneted into tivo, gone into the hack directory and set the file permissions.
No matter whether or not I use ./endpad.tcl 3 or /var/hack/endpad.tcl 3 I get the error message ": no such file or directory
I've pulled the script back on to my PC, and it looks fine in notepad. I've also downloaded it again, and uploaded it using the dos ftp program - but always have the same problem.

Can anyone see what I'm doing wrong? I've run plenty of scripts ok in the past...
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Try as a binary transfer; it's a text file but its a Unix text file; maybe your FTP client garbles the CR/LF. This doesn't seem to matter for TCL files that are not executable, eg TiVoWeb modules, but breaks executable ones.
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As long as you don't care about reducing the soft padding of a recording in progress in the case where someone kills and then restarts endpad with a smaller amount of padding (and I wouldn't), that should be possible.
As it only runs 5 mins from the end of the recording, they'd have to be trying quite hard to do that.
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Yes, it's an unlikely case and not really worth the bother.
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Have just checked my log and there seems to be a few instances for the first few hours or so of starting endpad, where padding wasn't added but I can't see why:

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Thu Oct 09 23:55:00 localtime 2003 : Recording in progress
Thu Oct 09 23:55:00 localtime 2003 : Channel: UKST1
Thu Oct 09 23:55:00 localtime 2003 : Programme: {Garden Rivals}
Thu Oct 09 23:55:00 localtime 2003 : Scheduled End Time: Thu Oct 09 23:59:58 localtime 2003
Thu Oct 09 23:55:00 localtime 2003 : Next Channel: DISC1
Thu Oct 09 23:55:00 localtime 2003 : Next Programme: {Trauma: Life in the ER}
Thu Oct 09 23:55:00 localtime 2003 : Next Scheduled Start Time: Fri Oct 10 00:30:00 localtime 2003
Thu Oct 09 23:55:00 localtime 2003 : Can't add padding
Thu Oct 09 23:55:00 localtime 2003 : Sleep until Fri Oct 10 00:55:00 localtime 2003

Any idea why? It's several hours before it starts adding padding and behaving as expected.

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I've just installed 1.01 but when I run

/var/hack/endpad.tcl 5

I get the following error

wrong # args: should be "while test command"
while compiling
"while {$wait} { ..."
("while" body line 118)
while compiling
"while {$test} { ..."
(file "/var/hack/endpad.tcl" line 99)
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Looks like the file got corrupted there Paul, try uploading it to the TiVo again.
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Have just checked my log and there seems to be a few instances for the first few hours or so of starting endpad, where padding wasn't added but I can't see why:

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Thu Oct 09 23:55:00 localtime 2003 : Recording in progress
Thu Oct 09 23:55:00 localtime 2003 : Channel: UKST1
Thu Oct 09 23:55:00 localtime 2003 : Programme: {Garden Rivals}
Thu Oct 09 23:55:00 localtime 2003 : Scheduled End Time: Thu Oct 09 23:59:58 localtime 2003
Thu Oct 09 23:55:00 localtime 2003 : Next Channel: DISC1
Thu Oct 09 23:55:00 localtime 2003 : Next Programme: {Trauma: Life in the ER}
Thu Oct 09 23:55:00 localtime 2003 : Next Scheduled Start Time: Fri Oct 10 00:30:00 localtime 2003
Thu Oct 09 23:55:00 localtime 2003 : Can't add padding
Thu Oct 09 23:55:00 localtime 2003 : Sleep until Fri Oct 10 00:55:00 localtime 2003

Any idea why? It's several hours before it starts adding padding and behaving as expected.

I've attached the logfile.
Could that programme already have hard padding on it?. It's the only thing I can think of as the releavny if statement is:

if {($newstoptime < $nextstart || $nselectiontype == 6) && $padding > $existingpadding}

and the log has printed the values of newstoptime and nextstart so the first bit is definitely TRUE; the only possibility is that the other part ($padding > $existingpadding) was FALSE.
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Looks like the file got corrupted there Paul, try uploading it to the TiVo again.
That did the trick. Thanks very much
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Has anyone got any stability issues with their TiVos running EndPad?
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Has anyone got any stability issues with their TiVos running EndPad?
Not on mine. I had version 1 running for about 24 hours without a hitch and there must have been about a dozen recordings done during that time as well. I've only had 1.01 installed for a couple of hours now but no problems so far.
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Originally posted by sanderton
I'm aiming to make it so that it simply doesn't need to know about what is soft and what is hard. (Insert own Carry On joke here..)

Nice module Stuart!

Maybe you could code the original padding into the recalculated figure. Looks like there are 8 possible values for padding: 1, 2, 5, 15, 30, 60, 90 and 180 minutes (unless you're MrTickle and have hacked the database ). They're stored in the database in seconds, so you've got all the values inbetween that will never be used by the UI. You could add the index into that array to the padding value so you could decode which one was originally used. e.g. to encode:
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set ui_padding_values { 0, 60, 120, 300, 900, 1800, 3600, 5400, 10800 }

set padding_in_db [defaultval 0 [dbobj $rec get EndPadding]]
set new_padding [lsearch -exact $ui_padding_values $padding_in_db]
if { $new_padding > -1 } {
   incr new_padding $default_soft_padding_value
} else {
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}
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set flag [expr $current_padding_from_db % 10]
set original_padding [lindex $ui_padding_values $flag]

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Just spotted one thing that might be a problem but it might just be how it's supposed to work.

I had a suggestion that was scheduled from 10:20am to 10:50am this morning and then Friends started recording at 10.55am. I have got it set to use 5 minutes of soft padding but none was used on the suggestion. As it actually had exactly 5 minutes inbetween recordings I would have expected it to pad it.
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Could that programme already have hard padding on it?
I thought that and checked but it doesn't!?! In fact, none of my SPs do because I removed it all when I used softpad. I'll keep a check on the logs and see if it happens again.

I did have another question about something that happened last night though. A suggestion (I think) was scheduled to start straight after an explicit recording. From your answer earlier in this thread, a suggestion will get cancelled in order to soft pad a regular recording. That appears to have happened below:

Sat Oct 11 04:54:01 localtime 2003 : Waiting a minute before checking for kill
Sat Oct 11 04:55:00 localtime 2003 : Recording in progressSat Oct 11 04:55:00 localtime 2003 : Channel: ITV2
Sat Oct 11 04:55:00 localtime 2003 : Programme: Rugby
Sat Oct 11 04:55:00 localtime 2003 : Scheduled End Time: Sat Oct 11 04:59:58 localtime 2003
Sat Oct 11 04:55:00 localtime 2003 : Next Channel: DISCOV
Sat Oct 11 04:55:00 localtime 2003 : Next Programme: {Cleopatra's Palace: In Search of a Legend}
Sat Oct 11 04:55:00 localtime 2003 : Next Scheduled Start Time: Sat Oct 11 05:00:00 localtime 2003
Sat Oct 11 04:55:00 localtime 2003 : Added 5 minutes padding
Sat Oct 11 04:55:00 localtime 2003 : Sleep until Sat Oct 11 05:55:00 localtime 2003
Sat Oct 11 04:55:00 localtime 2003 : Waiting a minute before checking for kill

Sat Oct 11 05:54:00 localtime 2003 : Waiting a minute before checking for kill
Sat Oct 11 05:55:00 localtime 2003 : No recording in progress
Sat Oct 11 05:55:00 localtime 2003 : Next recording starts: Sat Oct 11 06:00:00 localtime 2003
Sat Oct 11 05:55:00 localtime 2003 : Next Channel: UKBRID
Sat Oct 11 05:55:00 localtime 2003 : Next Programme: {Garden ER}
Sat Oct 11 05:55:00 localtime 2003 : Next Scheduled Start Time: Sat Oct 11 06:00:00 localtime 2003
Sat Oct 11 05:55:00 localtime 2003 : Sleep until Sat Oct 11 06:25:00 localtime 2003
Sat Oct 11 05:55:00 localtime 2003 : Waiting a minute before checking for kill

Once the padding was added it then says 'Sleep until Sat Oct 11 05:55:00' which is presumeably when the now cancelled suggestion {Cleopatra's Palace: In Search of a Legend} was due to finish. What happens if as a result of the suggestion being cancelled, a recording is scheduled for the now empty slot 05:05:00 to 06:00:00? Will Endpad pick it up or does it do nothing until the end of the sleep period? If not, what about when there is say 6 hours between recordings - will Endpad sleep until the end of the recording that starts in 6 hours time and/or will it still pick up recordings subsequently scheduled?

Many thanks. Oh yeah, it has been stable so far - a day and half
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Well, cancelling a suggestion should only enable TiVo to record replacement suggestions.

For your other question, from the source it looks like it sleeps until the next time it thinks it's needed. You are right, there should be a cap on the amount of time endpad sleeps between checks so that it can detect changes to the To Do list, in particular from cancelling the current recording and choosing to record something else.
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Once the padding was added it then says 'Sleep until Sat Oct 11 05:55:00' which is presumeably when the now cancelled suggestion {Cleopatra's Palace: In Search of a Legend} was due to finish. What happens if as a result of the suggestion being cancelled, a recording is scheduled for the now empty slot 05:05:00 to 06:00:00? Will Endpad pick it up or does it do nothing until the end of the sleep period? If not, what about when there is say 6 hours between recordings - will Endpad sleep until the end of the recording that starts in 6 hours time and/or will it still pick up recordings subsequently scheduled?

Many thanks. Oh yeah, it has been stable so far - a day and half
What will happen in this case it that it will wake up 5 mins before the now cancelled suggestion was due to finish. If another suggestion has taken its place, it will pad that. If not, back to sleep it goes until the next recording.

It does not poll for a recording when running, it relies on the TDL. I'm trying to keep the overhead for running the script to the minimum.

BTW, the reason I haven't posted a version wth Dibblah and ccwf's amendments in yet is that I've decided the next version will have start padding, and my blasted social life is interfering with my TiVo hacking!

A start padding enabled version is running now on my TiVos, and I will post when I think it probably works.
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You are right, there should be a cap on the amount of time endpad sleeps between checks so that it can detect changes to the To Do list, in particular from cancelling the current recording and choosing to record something else.
3 hours?
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I'm trying to keep the overhead for running the script to the minimum.
Which is certainly a good thing.

If you keep in memory the ID of the last show that's been padded, then you should be able to check very quickly whether or not the that recording is still current, in which case it can skip the rest of the logic and just go back to sleep.

As for the cap on the sleep interval, I would suggest a half hour to an hour. Or just make it another command line option or argument.
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It does not poll for a recording when running, it relies on the TDL. I'm trying to keep the overhead for running the script to the minimum.
Thanks sanderton, I think I have it - endpad bases it's time to wake up on the TDL as it stands at the point 5 mins before the end of the current recording. If the TDL changes between that point and when it has decided to wake up, those new programmes will not get padded. I guess the TDL could change for a couple reasons:

a. The next recording (a suggestion) gets cancelled because endpad has just padded the current recording. This could cause a different suggestion to be recorded. This would only get padded if it happened to end at or after the cancelled recording. If it ended before that, it would get missed by endpad. I don't see this as a drama because it's 'only' a suggestion. (Initially, I thought it might be but having typed through the logic I don't think it is!).

b. If there was a large time gap between the current recording and the next scheduled one, there is more potential for either a user initiated recording to be scheduled or perhaps as a result of new guide data being loaded. This seems to be where there is most potential for endpad to accidentally miss something.

I've no idea what the performance overhead would be and whether it's feasible, but would have thought 1/2 hour for checking the TDL would capture most changes, if not all.

Keep up the excellent work. endpad has already saved me an ending
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Just found that Endpad fell over at 7.55pm, 55 minuets into recording an hour-long suggestion, and exactly 2 hours after it had been last started.

The error was:

syntax error in expression "1065898798 + * 60"
while executing
"expr "$endtime + $padding * 60""
(file "/var/hack/endpad.tcl" line 158)

Line 158: set newstoptime [expr "$endtime + $padding * 60"]
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