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Old 05-20-2013, 12:15 PM   #271
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Penn should have won. His ice cream was better, his commercial was better, his presentation was better, and he brought in more money when you add in the $100K from Walgreen's and remove Tebow's late 100K.

I think part of why Trace won is because he was a finalist before.

Did anyone notice Stephen Baldwin texting or something on his phone in the background of Penn's shots? And then you see someone in the back row tap him on the shoulder and point to someone who is trying to get his attention--presumably a producer--and then the phone is gone in the next shot.
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Old 05-20-2013, 12:17 PM   #272
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And Joan Rivers---who compared Annie to a Nazi---won with integrity? Rivers demonstrated that she was a horrible human being. There's no way that Trump should want her to represent his "Apprentice" brand..
What is the *Apprentice brand" exactly? Is there any value in being named the Celebrity Apprentice? It's not like Trump is giving them a job a la Bill Rancic.
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Old 05-20-2013, 12:55 PM   #273
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of course, what do i know, i thought clay aiken should have won his season over arsenio. i liked them both and thought they both fought hard to win, but i thought clay won the final task by a mile.
Exactly. Clay won every facet of that challenge, including raising nearly twice as much money. Even Adam Carolla, who was Arsenio's first pick, believes there Clay should have won and has said that Arsenio only won because he had an upcoming show on NBC that Trump was somehow involved with.

Trump isn't going to be able to manipulate Penn in order to make money off Penn in the future, so there's nothing in it for Trump if Penn wins. On the other hand, if Trace wins, Trump could invite him to play benefit concerts, Trump could have yet another "in" in the country music world, so it makes perfect sense from Trump's perspective to have Trace win.
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Old 05-20-2013, 01:22 PM   #274
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I was surprised Trace won as well, but thought they both did a good job in the final task.

Anyone know why Bret Michaels wasn't on the finale? Dennis Rodman's comment about it made me think there was a story behind Michaels' absence.

I hope I never see Omarosa again, but considering how much Trump seems to like her, I suspect she'll show up again somewhere. Blech.
Bret tweeted that it was his daughter's birthday and he had plans with her.
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Old 05-20-2013, 04:18 PM   #275
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The main thing to remember is that the #1, primary criterion (I think that's the singular form of 'criteria'?) is what will benefit Donald Trump the most. Bottom line.

Annie Duke can't do anything for Trump, Joan Rivers can. Clay Aiken can't do anything for Trump, Aresnio might be able to.

And I could be wrong, but I thought Penn had apologized to Trump long before coming back to do this version, but that won't get Penn out of Trump's dog house if it comes down to him vs. Trace for the win.
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Old 05-20-2013, 05:01 PM   #276
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The main thing to remember is that the #1, primary criterion...is what will benefit Donald Trump the most. Bottom line.
very good point - the evidence to prove this theory is building, for sure. it's sad, too - it will change the way i view this show if it's renewed for another season.

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I am going to have to reconsider watching future seasons.
me too, although there's nothing else i'm missing on sunday nights. still a bummer, especially after the compliment paid by penn over the truthfulness by the production editors.
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Old 05-20-2013, 08:02 PM   #277
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Did anyone notice Stephen Baldwin texting or something on his phone in the background of Penn's shots? And then you see someone in the back row tap him on the shoulder and point to someone who is trying to get his attention--presumably a producer--and then the phone is gone in the next shot.
We saw the very same thing.. Baldwin is an unbelievable tool.
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Old 05-21-2013, 08:19 AM   #278
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i never understood the bret thing. doesnt don have the final say on who is on his show? he made it seem like michaels bullied his way on the show and nothing trump could do about it because no other celebrities in the world were free to do the show

so are these ice cream flavors now in stores?

ill give O a tiny point for admitting her act is for the TV but i really think she's that way in real life. id love for him to have called her out on the fake tears the other girls did during the boardroom that time.

nothing more attention getting than a tall black man in girls clothes. sigh. always gotta be the center of attention.
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Old 05-21-2013, 11:33 AM   #279
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the ice cream has been in stores for at least a week. Penn's flavor sold more. That's how Penn got the extra $100k.
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Old 05-21-2013, 11:42 AM   #280
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the ice cream has been in stores for at least a week. Penn's flavor sold more. That's how Penn got the extra $100k.
no wonder penn won! no, wait...
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Old 05-21-2013, 11:52 AM   #281
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It was a close season with both doing well throughout the entire show for the most part. Both teams rode many of the ideas of the two finalists. Overall from start to finish I believe Penn was more of an asset to the team he was on. Trace lead well, had good ideas and kept level headed but Penn did the same with a bit more brilliance. NO matter it made for a good finale overall. I believe Trace won because he made final 2 twice and never had a problem with Trump unlike Penn.

I did think the last task was kind of garbage. I thought it was awesome Trump gave money to people that did not win as it is all about charity and I loved when Lil Jon got teary eyed to the 100k donation. It really is a feel good show overall when you think of the good it actually does through charity. Very unique show in that regard.
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Old 05-21-2013, 11:59 AM   #282
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One thing, though, is Trace was totally screwed by being taken off the team he created in order to balance the losing team. So that makes me feel a little better about the end.
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Old 05-21-2013, 12:06 PM   #283
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Did anyone notice Stephen Baldwin texting or something on his phone in the background of Penn's shots? And then you see someone in the back row tap him on the shoulder and point to someone who is trying to get his attention--presumably a producer--and then the phone is gone in the next shot.
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We saw the very same thing.. Baldwin is an unbelievable tool.
I think they are pushed to tweet during the show. Other people were doing it and there was another scene where Baldwin, one of the girls and another fired celeb were being introduced and the girl had her phone out snapping a picture of the camera.
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Old 05-21-2013, 01:52 PM   #284
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Why do L'il Jon and Big Rodman wear sunglasses indoors (although Rodman had giant eyelashes on for the finale and couldn't that one time)?
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Old 05-21-2013, 01:53 PM   #285
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Why do L'il Jon and Big Rodman wear sunglasses indoors (although Rodman had giant eyelashes on for the finale and couldn't that one time)?
I don't know, but it annoys me when people do that.
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i think there was a point years ago where rodman took off the glasses..my guess is it's in their contract they will keep them on the entire time
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Old 05-21-2013, 01:59 PM   #287
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I hope to never see Omarosa again on any show. I find her disgusting & fast forward any time I see her face. Please let her fake drying 15 minutes of spotlight be over.
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Old 05-21-2013, 01:59 PM   #288
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Why do L'il Jon and Big Rodman wear sunglasses indoors (although Rodman had giant eyelashes on for the finale and couldn't that one time)?
Its just a look just like Trace's hat. Plus good to hide any crying..
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Its just a look just like Trace's hat.
Well, both cowboy hats and sunglasses have a function outdoors. Indoors, the hat doesn't hurt things, while the sunglasses do (they make it harder to see).
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Well, both cowboy hats and sunglasses have a function outdoors. Indoors, the hat doesn't hurt things, while the sunglasses do (they make it harder to see).
Sunglasses aren't bad with indoor light plus models differ in the amount of ambient light they let in. It's not like wearing them in nightclubs, now that's functionally stupid.
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Old 05-21-2013, 02:38 PM   #292
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i think there was a point years ago where rodman took off the glasses..my guess is it's in their contract they will keep them on the entire time
Actually, I think it was early in this season, that Trump asked one of them to take off the glasses so he could see what he looked like. He took them off, Trump commented, and then he put them back on.
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Actually, I think it was early in this season, that Trump asked one of them to take off the glasses so he could see what he looked like. He took them off, Trump commented, and then he put them back on.
its been a long season and i wish they would cancel this show, i cant stop watching
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Old 05-22-2013, 01:52 PM   #294
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Penn definitely worked the hardest. Trace just kinda became lazy after he won the first task.

Trump never gave a reason why Trace won. He just said he won. Then show over.

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Yeah he did. Penn wrote bad stuff about Trump in his book. Trump brought it up right before announcing his decision.
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Yeah he did. Penn wrote bad stuff about Trump in his book. Trump brought it up right before announcing his decision.
Which was just so...ick.
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Old 05-28-2013, 01:43 PM   #297
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I don't know about Rodman but Lil Jon wears sunglasses all the time because he has a severe lazy eye.


Edit to add: Does anyone have a link to the article or book excerpt that Penn wrote about Trump?
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