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Old 02-06-2013, 12:59 PM   #31
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I'm enjoying the build up. I think it'll be a nice explosion when it happens. Though, I have to say I've started to like Thomas some what. I do wish he would stop with his advances, but he can't help himself and he's going to get burned for it, I think. Will be fun to watch, when it does play out.
They're doing a great job with Thomas making many of us sympathize even a bit with the once reviled sneaky plotter. I like the build up. Not everything need be "resolved" in one or two episodes. He of all people should know the consequences of going against O'Brian.
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Old 02-06-2013, 01:06 PM   #32
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Old 02-06-2013, 04:33 PM   #33
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My memories is not it's best these days but didn't we have this type situation before with Thomas and a man...and letters? It's all a bit hazy.
S1E1 - the Duke of Crowborough. (I admit I had to look it up.)
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Old 02-06-2013, 08:06 PM   #34
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I don't get the idea that he's all that resistant to change. He doesn't want to be made a fool. Changing everything from the way he was (not) running the estate makes him look foolish. Which, he is, but I don't think it's change, itself, that's the problem for Robert.
Of course he is resistant to change. He references that DA has been around for hundreds of years. His choice that affected Sybil's death was because he sided with the higher class person who used tried and true methods. His whole issue with his chauffeur son in law is about change. His denying Edith a career is about change. His problem with the hooker/cooker is about old mores.

He is more open than most but treating his servants like people is as far as he goes and that makes him feel progressive when he is not.
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Old 02-06-2013, 08:30 PM   #35
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S1E1 - the Duke of Crowborough. (I admit I had to look it up.)
I thought he made a move on the guy who bedded Lady Mary and croaked in her bed.
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Old 02-06-2013, 09:05 PM   #36
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Farook - probably him also...
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Old 02-06-2013, 10:33 PM   #37
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I thought he made a move on the guy who bedded Lady Mary and croaked in her bed.
He did and was shot down. IIRC, that's how the guy made his way to Mary's bedroom.....by telling Thomas if he would show him the way, he wouldn't out Thomas' indiscretion.
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Old 02-07-2013, 08:24 AM   #38
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Homosexuality was illegal in the UK until 1967. Bates could be coming out of prison and waving to Thomas going into prison.
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Old 02-07-2013, 09:06 AM   #39
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Homosexuality was illegal in the UK until 1967. Bates could be coming out of prison and waving to Thomas going into prison.
Hadn't thought of that angle. But, as horrible as Mrs O'Brien and Thomas are to each other, I don't know that he would end up in prison. Or maybe he would. Clearly I have more sympathy for Thomas than I thought.
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Old 02-07-2013, 02:59 PM   #40
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He is more open than most but treating his servants like people is as far as he goes and that makes him feel progressive when he is not.
It seems like everyone on this show treats the servants really well. I wonder how realistic that is overall? Sort of like many families in the south who treated their slaves really well, and then the others who didn't. They're free to leave, of course, but obviously their prospects without at least a good reference are pretty bleak.
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Old 02-07-2013, 03:36 PM   #41
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They also handle all your food...
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