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Old 02-28-2013, 08:16 AM   #1
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Supernatural - "Remember The Titans" - 2/27/13

Well I hate to even start a thread because I don't have a lot to say.

It was an okay filler. The last 4 minutes were awesome, of course. Brother feelings and Dean praying aka begging to Cas to keep watch over Sammy got me all kinds of teary eyed.

Not crazy about the rest. Dean's facial expressions aside I couldn't really find myself connecting with the characters this episode. I'm not sure why.

What did everyone else think?
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Old 02-28-2013, 08:44 AM   #2
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Pretty much the same. I thought there were a number of great lines, but that the plot was under-developed. And if Zeus is going to make an appearance he should be more of a Big Bad.
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Old 02-28-2013, 10:40 AM   #3
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This episode and the one before it with the witch, seems like they could throw a "super"natural team together to go against crowley.

That sounds cheesy.
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Old 02-28-2013, 11:22 AM   #4
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This episode and the one before it with the witch, seems like they could throw a "super"natural team together to go against crowley.

That sounds cheesy.
Now that they have a HQ, it does have that feeling. If not for the fact that the show has been renewed, I would think that the groundwork is being laid for a spinoff series featuring the male witch, the golem guy, and others to be named later. Kind of a League of Extraordinary Gentlemen type of thing. I'd watch that.
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Old 02-28-2013, 12:58 PM   #5
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Yeah, not a lot to say because this was kind of weak for an episode of Supernatural but the scene with Dean praying almost made up for it.

On the other hand, a weak episode of Supernatural is better than probably 90% of the other network shows.
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Old 03-01-2013, 03:00 AM   #6
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The way that Sam jumped to the conclusion that, "hey, you're Prometheus!" had me rolling my eyes. Otherwise I enjoyed this episode, especially Dean's reactions to everything. Particularly of him being so proud of the Men of Letters hideout and being a "Legacy."
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Old 03-01-2013, 06:25 AM   #7
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Particularly of him being so proud of the Men of Letters hideout and being a "Legacy."
In a context where it's meaningless.

I mean, there are rooms where you could brag about that and people would be impressed, but that was like bragging about your copy of Spider-Man 121 at the football captain's cafeteria table. If you're lucky, he doesn't have a clue what you're talking about.
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Old 03-01-2013, 06:59 AM   #8
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Ibut that was like bragging about your copy of Spider-Man 121
I had to go back and look which issue you were talking about...

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I'm not very good at remembering "event" issue numbers.
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Old 03-01-2013, 07:10 AM   #9
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And if Zeus is going to make an appearance he should be more of a Big Bad.
I did like how he looked, though. Definitely had a Greek look about him, and I liked the idea of the Father of the Gods in a nice suit...
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Remember the episode in which Sam and Dean ended up in a motel full of gods for some reason? Was Zeus in that one?
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Was Zeus in that one?
Apparently not.
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Old 03-01-2013, 07:52 AM   #13
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Remember the episode in which Sam and Dean ended up in a motel full of gods for some reason? Was Zeus in that one?
Hammer of the Gods 5x19 - and no he wasn't.
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Gods should be more badass than that.
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Gods should be more badass than that.
Keep in mind that the brothers stood no chance against him---it took another god to bring him down...
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Keep in mind that the brothers stood no chance against him---it took another god to bring him down...
Just like in Hammer of the Gods. It was them turning on each other, calling in Lucifer and then Gabriel saving Kali to even best them.
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Yeah, no biggie. It's just that these gods seemed on a power level similar to angels. I expected them to be more, well, god-like.
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Yeah, no biggie. It's just that these gods seemed on a power level similar to angels. I expected them to be more, well, god-like.
Maybe that's why us "Westerners" don't really worship them.
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Maybe that's why us "Westerners" don't really worship them.
Which is, in turn, why they aren't so godlike anymore (see Supernatural 5x05, "Fallen Idol" - the Paris Hilton episode) or, better yet, "American Gods," the Neil Gaiman novel it rather heavily borrowed from.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember something along the lines of the gods being only as powerful as the amount of worshipers they have, or drawing power from those that worship them. Death even made a comment about God (Jehovah, Yahweh or whatever you want to name the Christian god) not always being around (at least on the show, not wanting to get into a theological debate). So in the show God may know the limits of his power.

I could see Zeus as being somewhat powerful, but not as omnipotent as what we picture back in his day of ruling.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember something along the lines of the gods being only as powerful as the amount of worshipers they have, or drawing power from those that worship them. Death even made a comment about God (Jehovah, Yahweh or whatever you want to name the Christian god) not always being around (at least on the show, not wanting to get into a theological debate). So in the show God may know the limits of his power.

I could see Zeus as being somewhat powerful, but not as omnipotent as what we picture back in his day of ruling.
Yes, exactly. That's what I was alluding to in my post above. I wrote about it a bit, back when I was doing Supernatural recaps for the Television Zombies podcast:

http://www.televisionzombies.com/200...-fallen-idols/

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The central conceit of Neil Gaman's 2001 novel "American Gods" is that gods and other supernatural beings owe their very existence to the belief of mankind. Gaiman's book explores how gods' powers wax and wane along with the strength of people's belief in them. As society has marched through time, the gods of old have diminished in power as society's new obsessions (media, drugs, celebrities, technology) have replaced them. Supernatural series creator Eric Kripke (in a commentary for a season four episode) has acknowledged Gaiman, and particularly "American Gods" as an influence on Supernatural. Nowhere is this more evident than in the Season Five episode "Fallen Idols." The episode is more of a bottle episode than we've been getting of late, and it serves as a nice diversion away from the main story arc. In many ways, it is reminiscent of the type of monster-of-the-week episodes that predominated during the show's first and second seasons. While it is a standalone, and is a funny one at that (similar in tone to "Wishing Well"), it still manages to pack in quite a bit of action, and gore, and brotherly angst and love.

....

While I really enjoyed the episode, I do question Kripke's choice of Paris Hilton. He is using her the way Gaiman used a fat, socially awkward young man as the embodiment of the god of technology; representative of America's new religion. Where Gaiman focused on technology, media, and the like, Kripke appears to be saying that pop celebrity is America's new religion. Paris actually monologues on this at the episode's end. As Leshii (in the form of Paris) opines, people today are in a sorry state, where celebrity worship passes for idolatry. Celebrities are nothing more than people with spray tans and small dogs; old time religion has been replaced by US Weekly. It is essentially the same point that Gaiman makes in his New York Times bestseller. But is Paris Hilton really the best spokesperson to make the point? To my mind, her fame waned several years ago already. She's already been replaced in the fickle mind of Americans by newer and greater objects of pop culture obsession. Maybe it's just that Paris Hilton became the de facto best choice for the episode because she was game to actually appear in it as herself. Or maybe the fact that her celebrity is on the wane actually plays to Kripke's point - even the new Gods don't stay new for very long, these days.

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