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Old 06-25-2014, 12:09 PM   #31
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If you believe that, I would like to sell you an interest in the Brooklyn Bridge. People are interested in receiving TV signals at a price lower than their local cable company, Aereo came up with a sneaky way to try to do that without paying for the content. The Supreme Court was able to see through the cloud of dust Aereo had kicked up and was hiding behind.

pretty much this.

Had Aereo won cord cutters would of been hit the hardest when the networks went pay t.v.only.

Believe it or not but them losing and keeping the free option actually benefits consumers in the long run at the expense of Are so.
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Old 06-25-2014, 01:51 PM   #32
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pretty much this.

Had Aereo won cord cutters would of been hit the hardest when the networks went pay t.v.only.

Believe it or not but them losing and keeping the free option actually benefits consumers in the long run at the expense of Are so.
The networks never would have gone pay only. Those broadcast licenses are worth $millions.
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Old 06-25-2014, 02:26 PM   #33
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The networks never would have gone pay only. Those broadcast licenses are worth $millions.
They most certainly would of when the NFL, MLB and everyone else decided to take their toys and go home. It would also nip cord cutting right in the bud for network lovers.

They already get redistribution fees from cable companies and that is the source of their financial growth. Zero chance they give that up and if Aereo was allowed to do what it did you would see cable companies start looking really hard at devices like the AM21 Directv uses for its boxes. Integrating OTA tuner isn't exactly rocket science even Tivo can get that right.

The side show would of been entertaining to watch but ultimately would of hurt cord cutters the most when the networks went dark and moved to pay tv. They certainly were not going to watch their only real stream of growth go away because of a two bit start up.
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...The side show would of been entertaining to watch but ultimately would of hurt cord cutters the most when the networks went dark and moved to pay tv.
The entertainment would be when the broadcast TV bandwidth was repurposed for wireless internet access and 1000s of independents create new TV content.
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Old 06-25-2014, 03:07 PM   #35
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Other than copyright/broadcast law I still think the antennas are a sham, but what difference does that make, if they used a master antenna they would have the same legal issue, does the source make any difference ??, it the re-transmission by a money making business that is the problem. Even sports bars have to pay (to stay legal) something to show any TV program to their customers, how the sports bar get the program does not matter (except maybe cost to the bar).
You are correct. The antennas are a total sham. And it didn't help them at all. A copy is a copy, it doesn't have to be a perfect copy.
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Old 06-25-2014, 07:42 PM   #36
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pretty much this.

Had Aereo won cord cutters would of been hit the hardest when the networks went pay t.v.only.

Believe it or not but them losing and keeping the free option actually benefits consumers in the long run at the expense of Are so.
I just want to watch my OTA TV shows on my phone. Having an Android phone, Aereo was the only option to do it legally (except for some shows on Hulu). Now my only choice to watch on an Android phone is to download the content illegally. What exactly did the networks win?

I could also switch to iPhone and pay Tivo for a service that allows me to record free OTA content. They make money off of copyrighted content and nobody says a word. It's absurd.
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too bad to see this. Looks like Comcast and other big networks have once again triumphed. unfortunate & I tend to think this spells the end of Aereo
Perhaps not.

All Aereo has to do is pass along some of the subscribers' money to the broadcasters. Just like with cable.

But, since they don't pass along all of the local broadcasters in bulk the way that cable does, the broadcasters can't justify blanket fees the way they do with cable.

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Old 06-25-2014, 08:01 PM   #38
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I just want to watch my OTA TV shows on my phone. Having an Android phone, Aereo was the only option to do it legally (except for some shows on Hulu). Now my only choice to watch on an Android phone is to download the content illegally. What exactly did the networks win?

I could also switch to iPhone and pay Tivo for a service that allows me to record free OTA content. They make money off of copyrighted content and nobody says a word. It's absurd.
They still see a phone as a phone I suppose.
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I just want to watch my OTA TV shows on my phone. Having an Android phone, Aereo was the only option to do it legally (except for some shows on Hulu). Now my only choice to watch on an Android phone is to download the content illegally. What exactly did the networks win?

I could also switch to iPhone and pay Tivo for a service that allows me to record free OTA content. They make money off of copyrighted content and nobody says a word. It's absurd.
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Perhaps not.

All Aereo has to do is pass along some of the subscribers' money to the broadcasters. Just like with cable.

But, since they don't pass along all of the local broadcasters in bulk the way that cable does, the broadcasters can't justify blanket fees the way they do with cable.

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You are probably right.
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Old 06-26-2014, 06:43 AM   #41
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pretty much this.

Had Aereo won cord cutters would of been hit the hardest when the networks went pay t.v.only.

Believe it or not but them losing and keeping the free option actually benefits consumers in the long run at the expense of Are so.
I am very happy with TiVo and OTA and of course want that to continue. Using internet data for local channels would have been an option I don't want to have to deal with. I am already running over 300GB some months now with the recent Netflix change to SuperHD and the other services I use, YouTube, Vudu, Hulu, HBOGo and a few others. Comcast has no data charges right now but I can't imagine that will continue for long.
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That's a bit curious, that the cable industry would be disappointed that Aereo's advantage over them was removed.
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That's a bit curious, that the cable industry would be disappointed that Aereo's advantage over them was removed.
Not really. If Aero had been successful in the Supreme Court, the cable companies would have done the same thing to eliminate the rebroadcast fees.
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Not really. If Aero had been successful in the Supreme Court, the cable companies would have done the same thing to eliminate the rebroadcast fees.
I'm sure the broadcasters are happy to have won, but why would the cable companies be unhappy that their competition was just destroyed?

ACA is the American Cable Association.
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Was Aereo selling a service that allowed you to access free OTA signals over the internet for a small fee, or were they selling tiny antennas and renting space for consumers to locate those antennas? Or was that difference trivial and the court didn't care?
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I'm sure the broadcasters are happy to have won, but why would the cable companies be unhappy that their competition was just destroyed?

ACA is the American Cable Association.
The ACA is an advocacy/lobbying group for small/rural/municipal independent providers and cable content entities (Tennis Channel, Univision, etc). They have an interest in ending broadcast retransmission fees because they believe it disproportionally inflates fees for small MSOs due to their small size, and cuts out their content members as a result of people choosing cheaper TV packages to compensate for the higher fees. (I have no skin in this, I'm just sharing who they are.)

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Was Aereo selling a service that allowed you to access free OTA signals over the internet for a small fee, or were they selling tiny antennas and renting space for consumers to locate those antennas? Or was that difference trivial and the court didn't care?
The so called tiny antennas are a sham as they are the size of a dime, you think without any added re-Xmit hardware they could pick up any/all TV OTA signals unless you were next to the Xmit tower itself where a paper clip would also work?.
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The so called tiny antennas are a sham as they are the size of a dime, you think without any added re-Xmit hardware they could pick up any/all TV OTA signals unless you were next to the Xmit tower itself where a paper clip would also work?.
Apparently they worked well enough to satisfy the courts, since the lower courts accepted the technical explanation and it wasn't at issue before the Supremes.
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The ACA had previously filed a brief siding with Aereo, and they only represent small cable operators.

It said a negative ruling could hamper tech companies, which the small cable operators need to partner with to bring new services (otherwise out of reach of their R/D) to their subscribers, in order to compete with the big cable companies.

Sounds like they need cloud DVR's, so they don't have to invest in hardware infrastructure.

NCTA did not file a brief. NAB did, siding with the broadcasters.

Cablevision filed a brief, suggesting Aereo was in violation of public performance, but Cablevision is not.
There is no Comcast brief, but they wholly own NBC-Universal Studios, which is a party.

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I'm sure the broadcasters are happy to have won, but why would the cable companies be unhappy that their competition was just destroyed?

ACA is the American Cable Association.
Because the cable companies would have saved money by not paying rebroadcast fees.
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Because the cable companies would have saved money by not paying rebroadcast fees.
And for them to have any hope of ending that, Aereo would have had to have won, not lost.
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Aereo: Columnists question SCOTUS' tech chops, ruling's impact on DVRs

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More repercussion from one of the worse Supreme Court in history:

http://www.fiercecable.com/story/aer...ource=internal
And now FOX is going after Hopper.

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...d.php?t=518737

Really looking forward to seeing what the 9 black-robed EEs in DC have to say about it.
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Apparently they worked well enough to satisfy the courts, since the lower courts accepted the technical explanation and it wasn't at issue before the Supremes.
The point of the dime antennas was the reason they though they could work around the copyright law on re-xmission, the SC did not look at or care about the antennas, only what was delivered to the end user that was paying.
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The point of the dime antennas was the reason they though they could work around the copyright law on re-xmission, the SC did not look at or care about the antennas, only what was delivered to the end user that was paying.
When a case goes to the SC, they don't get to examine whatever aspect of the case they want to. There is almost always a very strict and narrow legal question that needs to be answered. The reason the SC didn't say anything about the antennas is because from a technological standpoint, they had passed muster at the lower courts, and the broadcasters did not submit that issue to the SC on appeal.

If the antennas didn't even work, the case would never have gotten as far as it did since proving that they didn't work as advertised would have led to an easy win for the broadcasters.
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The so called tiny antennas are a sham as they are the size of a dime, you think without any added re-Xmit hardware they could pick up any/all TV OTA signals unless you were next to the Xmit tower itself where a paper clip would also work?.
Dude, being within paper clip distance of the XMTRs with a clear line of sight was half of Aereo's business model all along, as I'm sure they themselves would have told you.

If King Kong could talk, they were close enough to the ESB to read his lips.


And the way those little antennas were mounted near each other allowed for coupling that created the equivalent of a larger element (while maintaining individual outputs), and that was a pretty clever hack.
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Dude, being within paper clip distance of the XMTRs with a clear line of sight was half of Aereo's business model all along, as I'm sure they themselves would have told you.

If King Kong could talk, they were close enough to the ESB to read his lips.


And the way those little antennas were mounted near each other allowed for coupling that created the equivalent of a larger element (while maintaining individual outputs), and that was a pretty clever hack.
Makes sense to me, although I wonder what intelligence could be gained by reading King Kong's lips (even if he could talk).
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Makes sense to me, although I wonder what intelligence could be gained by reading King Kong's lips (even if he could talk).
He could tell you if Fay Wray was as hot in person as she looked on the screen in that scene on the boat with the sheer white dress backlit by the moon.
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Dude, being within paper clip distance of the XMTRs with a clear line of sight was half of Aereo's business model all along, as I'm sure they themselves would have told you.

If King Kong could talk, they were close enough to the ESB to read his lips.


And the way those little antennas were mounted near each other allowed for coupling that created the equivalent of a larger element (while maintaining individual outputs), and that was a pretty clever hack.
That true, but why not go the next step and have the station give a direct wire connection, less cost and same signal when next to the Xmit tower. The problem was the re-xmission not the antennas.
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