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Old 01-28-2015, 09:41 AM   #481
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Can't think of the other Hoffman one though
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Old 01-28-2015, 09:46 AM   #482
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Just looked it up ... Rain Man. I did not know/remember that it won best picture.

FYI, Hoffman only won 2 best actor oscars
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Old 01-28-2015, 09:47 AM   #483
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Just looked and Brando only won 2 as well.
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Old 01-28-2015, 11:27 AM   #484
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Since they changed the rules on ties this season, it can be very risky to end in a tie.
Probably in this thread somewhere, but what is the change?
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Old 01-28-2015, 11:30 AM   #485
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Probably in this thread somewhere, but what is the change?
If they do what they have done in tournaments (where there couldn't be a tie), Alex asks another question and the first person to ring in with the correct answer wins.

It isn't written like FJ!, but like a regular round question. The only one I saw one person rang in and got it right. I don't know what happens if both get it wrong. I assume they go to a second question, but not sure it has ever happened.
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Old 01-28-2015, 12:44 PM   #486
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Since they changed the rules on ties this season, it can be very risky to end in a tie.
Ah, right. I forgot about that. In that context his bet makes perfect sense.
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Old 01-28-2015, 12:46 PM   #487
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I enjoyed Akex's comment at the end of the game. I forget exactly what he said, but acknowledged it was an exciting ending.
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Old 02-16-2015, 06:02 PM   #488
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First day back after the Teacher's Tourney. And lack of basic betting skills cost our champ. It's painful to watch someone lose because they don't know how to bet. And she was a fun contestant to watch.
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Old 02-18-2015, 01:37 PM   #489
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First day back after the Teacher's Tourney. And lack of basic betting skills cost our champ. It's painful to watch someone lose because they don't know how to bet. And she was a fun contestant to watch.
I watched the Monday episode last night. nobody got final jeopardy correct. wondering...how did betting play into it?
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Old 02-18-2015, 02:09 PM   #490
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First day back after the Teacher's Tourney. And lack of basic betting skills cost our champ. It's painful to watch someone lose because they don't know how to bet. And she was a fun contestant to watch.
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I watched the Monday episode last night. nobody got final jeopardy correct. wondering...how did betting play into it?
The returning champ was in 2nd place with $10,600. She bet everything and lost. The guy in first place had $11,400 and also got it wrong, but he only bet $9,801 - just enough to beat the returning champ by $1 if they both got it right.

I think what astro is saying is that if you're in second place and it's close, you don't bet it all, because the only way you catch first place is if first place misses the question, and in that scenario it's not going to take a bet of your full amount to win so you have to bet in such a way that you can win if you both get it wrong. In other words, she should have anticipated that he'd bet just enough to beat her if she bet it all and got it right, which means she should have bet $9,000 or less, which would have left her with more than him in the event they both missed.

But then it's kind of an iocane powder problem. What if the champ anticipates that bet and then doesn't bet enough to cover double her amount? So then she has to anticipate his anticipation and bet even less, etc.
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Old 02-18-2015, 02:15 PM   #491
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I watched the Monday episode last night. nobody got final jeopardy correct. wondering...how did betting play into it?
At final Jeopardy they had the following amounts:

Karen: $10,600
Andy: $11,400
Susan: $4,800

The correct bets should have been:

Karen: $801 (enough to pass Andy if he bids zero or gets it wrong, not enough for Susan to overtake her)
Andy: $9801 (enough to beat Karen by $1 if she bids it all and gets it right).
Susan: $0 (her only chance is if they both miss and bet a lot).

Andy bet correctly, but Karen and Susan both bet all they had.

If Karen would have bet with proper strategy, should would have won (would have finished with about $10K). If Susan would have bet with proper strategy, she would have won (would have finished with $4800 based on Karen and Andy's bets).

But, as it turns out Andy won.
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See here.

http://thefinalwager.co/2015/02/16/f...ruary-16-2015/
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Old 02-18-2015, 09:01 PM   #493
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But then it's kind of an iocane powder problem. What if the champ anticipates that bet and then doesn't bet enough to cover double her amount? So then she has to anticipate his anticipation and bet even less, etc.
You are correct on my reasoning. As far as your last point, almost all leaders wager to win on a correct guess. Probably 98% of the time. I can't imagine a worse feeling than leading going into FJ, getting it correct, and losing because of a too-small wager. I've seen it happen, and always feel sorry for the shmuck.

Never never never wager all-in when you're that close to the leader. I think 2/3 is the dividing line.

I'm sure there are exceptions, maybe a category you suck at ("Polish Opera Stars" anyone?), otherwise LEARN HOW TO BET.
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Ok, this is ridiculous. The only decent bet was third place. Second only won because first bet stupid also. However, had first bet smartly, second would be out.

And first... geez, what were you thinking?


Ashley Singh: $7,400-$7,400=$0
Dava-Leigh Brush: $11,000-$9,500=$1,500
Christina McTighe:$13,900-$13,900=$0

First:
Christina only had to bet $8101. If she's correct, she has $22,001, and beats D-L by $1, if D-L goes all in. If she misses, she has $5799. But in a bet that will have some of us beating our heads against the wall, she's all-in. There's a reason some people bet all but a buck or two. It's to beat people like this who don't know how to bet.

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D-L only needed to bet $3801. That covers 3rd place on an all-in, lets her win if 1st misses, and leaves her $7199 on a miss. If 1st misses and D-L gets it, she wins. But D-L, in a bet that will mystify us forever, bets $9500. Had 1st bet normally, D-L would have lost, $5799 to $1500, instead of winning $7199 to $5799.

There may have been a slightly better strategic bet from third, based on a million permutations, but at this point, who cares.
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What the hell?

There is no reason that first place should risk everything, ever. That is the worst bet in the history of the game.

I can't wait to see what The Final Wager guy says.
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Old 02-20-2015, 08:28 PM   #496
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Old 02-20-2015, 09:48 PM   #497
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He recorded himself watching it.

http://thefinalwager.co/2015/02/20/f...ruary-20-2015/
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Old 02-21-2015, 10:52 AM   #498
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The wagering was so bad, that the winner actually made less than second place. Second received $2,000,and the winner earned $1,500.

Someone on JBoard made the observation that Christina bet everything in all three of her FJs. It seems obvious she just had no awareness of betting strategy. Which is a shame, she was a fun and smart contestant.

It would have been interesting to see what she did had she had a lock.
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Surprising that someone can accumulate enough knowledge to get onto Jeopardy! and even win a couple of games, yet have no understanding of how to wager properly.
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Old 02-21-2015, 03:29 PM   #500
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Surprising that someone can accumulate enough knowledge to get onto Jeopardy! and even win a couple of games, yet have no understanding of how to wager properly.
Especially since there are whole forums of former players and fans who discuss this.
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Old 02-21-2015, 03:43 PM   #501
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Definitely not making the most of a once in a lifetime opportunity.
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