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Old 08-20-2013, 11:44 AM   #31
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Wasn't Dexter going through Vogel's book, vetting each patient? He only got through two and stopped at Yates because Yates had the scar. But I always got the impression there were several more patients in the book to be vetted, and I'm guessing that's what we'll soon find out as Dexter goes back to looking for the Brain Surgeon.
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Old 08-20-2013, 11:51 AM   #32
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Did anybody else think for a second that it was Quinn who boobytrapped Zach's car?
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Old 08-20-2013, 11:53 AM   #33
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Did anybody else think for a second that it was Quinn who boobytrapped Zach's car?
That's actually the first thing I thought... and still could be possible, I think.
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Old 08-20-2013, 11:57 AM   #34
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Did anybody else think for a second that it was Quinn who boobytrapped Zach's car?
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That's actually the first thing I thought... and still could be possible, I think.
But then wouldn't he have had to know about the murder before it was reported, in order to put the blood under her fingernails?
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Old 08-20-2013, 12:07 PM   #35
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But then wouldn't he have had to know about the murder before it was reported, in order to put the blood under her fingernails?
ummm.... unless he was the murderer to frame Zach.

Remember when he asked Dexter to keep an eye out for Zach's DNA at the crime scene? Kind of a strange request, especially after Dexter said he didn't find any.. it was almost like Quinn was fully expecting Dexter to report Zach's planted DNA.

Now Quinn is wondering why Dexter didn't find it, or didn't report it. Perhaps Quinn will ask Musaka to double check.
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Old 08-20-2013, 12:15 PM   #36
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ummm.... unless he was the murderer to frame Zach.

Remember when he asked Dexter to keep an eye out for Zach's DNA at the crime scene? Kind of a strange request, especially after Dexter said he didn't find any.. it was almost like Quinn was fully expecting Dexter to report Zach's planted DNA.

Now Quinn is wondering why Dexter didn't find it, or didn't report it. Perhaps Quinn will ask Musaka to double check.
Yes these thoughts crossed my mind, as well.
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Old 08-20-2013, 01:32 PM   #37
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ummm.... unless he was the murderer to frame Zach.
Yeah, but I just don't see him as being anywhere near that far gone.

Framing? Sure. Murder? No way. He sees himself as a good guy, even if he makes questionable choices; he wouldn't murder an innocent woman to put away a guy because he murdered an innocent woman.
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Old 08-20-2013, 02:05 PM   #38
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I agree... but what if he were following Zach, witnessed the murder (by someone else), and then framed Zach? I know the timeline doesn't work in that scenario, but Quinn is acting very strange lately.
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Old 08-20-2013, 05:47 PM   #39
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I got the impression that Quinn is just so deperate to get Zach that he was hoping his DNA was there and asked just to give Dexter a heads up to look for it. I did not get any impression that Quinn would have stumbled across the scene and tried to frame Zach for it - epecially if he had seen someone else do it. I'd like to think if he had seen someone do it that he would have tried to apprehend that person.
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Old 08-20-2013, 06:09 PM   #40
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My only thought when watching was that Quinn had sabotaged Zach's door handle to get some DNA. Even if he wasn't the first on the scene, rubbing dried blood from his gloved hands against the underside of her nails wouldn't be a long involved process. I never considered that Quinn would have killed her just for the purpose of framing Zach.

The distraught boyfriend seems to have got more airtime than I would have expected based on his previous appearance on the show.
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Old 08-20-2013, 06:31 PM   #41
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The distraught boyfriend seems to have got more airtime than I would have expected based on his previous appearance on the show.
They do that sometimes, though...e.g., Harrison's original nanny who used to be one of the leads on The Tudors. Relatively high-profile actor in a relatively high-screen time role, yet the character never amounted to anything.

One thing I have to give them credit for is that they don't always subscribe to Ebert's Conservation of Characters rule.
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Old 08-20-2013, 06:54 PM   #42
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They do that sometimes, though...e.g., Harrison's original nanny who used to be one of the leads on The Tudors. Relatively high-profile actor in a relatively high-screen time role, yet the character never amounted to anything.

One thing I have to give them credit for is that they don't always subscribe to Ebert's Conservation of Characters rule.
Yes. They certainly fooled me with the nanny. I thought she was going to be important for just those reasons.
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Old 08-20-2013, 07:30 PM   #43
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Yes. They certainly fooled me with the nanny. I thought she was going to be important for just those reasons.
When I saw Julian Sands as Hannah's husband I thought he would be an important character but he was gone pretty quick.
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Old 08-20-2013, 07:54 PM   #44
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What was that song playing when Dexter found Zach? I know it from Desmond and Lost. Vogel was also playing it before she got abducted by the cable guy.
I just "Shazam"-ed it with my iPhone. It was "Make Your Own Kind of Music", sung by Mama Cass.

I was distracted by Zach's corpse still breathing just before Dexter spun the chair around. If the actor portraying Zach had half a mind*, he'd know to hold his breath when the director calls "Action!".


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Old 08-20-2013, 08:10 PM   #45
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That reminds me, what ever happened to the previous nanny? She is still alive, right?

Maybe she is the Brain Surgeon!

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Old 08-22-2013, 11:51 AM   #46
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Hmm...some interesting stuff. Musaka? Is that Vince Masuka?

LMAO @ old nanny being brain surgeon. good one! Like others here, I kept thing that she would have some relevance. She was just too strange not to.

I think I'm going to watch again, after having read this thread. I didn't catch the actor breathing while dead. I also didn't catch the relative weirdness of JoeyQuinn asking about Zach DNA on girl. very interesting.

I remember when Quinn first came on, thinking that something weird (but differently weird than how he's been so far) would come up about him. It would be kind of cool if he were something other than who we know him to be or, I don't know - something.

Also, from the teaser for next week's episode -
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It looked like Deb and Quinn were having a moment. Don't know if that means anything and don't even know if I care, but I cannot help but wonder if they will end up together - that is assuming that Deb doesn't end up dead in the end, which I think she will.

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Old 08-22-2013, 08:37 PM   #47
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My money is on Cassie's boyfriend. He clearly saw the kid (the encounter was even shown in the recap) and yet he didn't identify him when showed the mugshot by Quinn. Is it really plausible that he would forget the encounter? Sees the kid with dexter, his girlfriend is murdered a couple days later, and the he conveniently forgets?

I think he was following dexter and purposely met, dated, and stalked Cassie to stay close to dexter.

I'll be disappointed if he turns out to be some random person we haven't met yet.

My only other suspect is deb's boss, just because i haven't figured out what his angle is in the series yet. Possibly spinoff with deb, maybe?

I don't think it's Quinn. He wouldn't murder an innocent person, frame, yes, but murder no.
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Old 08-22-2013, 08:55 PM   #48
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My money is on Cassie's boyfriend. He clearly saw the kid (the encounter was even shown in the recap) and yet he didn't identify him when showed the mugshot by Quinn. Is it really plausible that he would forget the encounter? Sees the kid with dexter, his girlfriend is murdered a couple days later, and the he conveniently forgets?

I think he was following dexter and purposely met, dated, and stalked Cassie to stay close to dexter.

I'll be disappointed if he turns out to be some random person we haven't met yet.

My only other suspect is deb's boss, just because i haven't figured out what his angle is in the series yet. Possibly spinoff with deb, maybe?

I don't think it's Quinn. He wouldn't murder an innocent person, frame, yes, but murder no.
Mine too at this point. They are trying way too hard to make it look like Vogel. Perhaps they will reveal a link between those two in the next episode.
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Old 08-22-2013, 09:44 PM   #49
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My money is on Cassie's boyfriend. He clearly saw the kid (the encounter was even shown in the recap) and yet he didn't identify him when showed the mugshot by Quinn. Is it really plausible that he would forget the encounter? Sees the kid with dexter, his girlfriend is murdered a couple days later, and the he conveniently forgets?
I was thinking the same thing at first. But then I wondered what his connection to Vogel could be. Because the Brain Surgeon clearly has some connection with Vogel.
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Old 08-23-2013, 08:37 AM   #50
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I agree with both of you. I'm thinking it is the boyfriend AND I think he has some ties with Vogel.

Does anybody remember how Cassie and him met during that conversation between Dexter and the nanny?
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