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Old 12-06-2012, 12:31 PM   #91
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For his deal, Brody has to resign from congress "to be with my family" "for personal reasons," so he won't be accepting any interest in making him VP. And, being that the deal comes form the US Attorney General, we can assume that the unseen President will know what's up.
Although it hasn't happened yet, so I'm sure there are any number of ways they can write themselves out of it now that they've abandoned serious plausibility...
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Old 12-06-2012, 01:18 PM   #92
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If the writers can come up with a plausible way to keep Brody alive, and not a fugitive I'd be surprised.
  • CIA wants him dead
  • His proximity to the VP when the VP had the hart attack is damning
  • Nazir taking Carrie, then the VP having a heart attack is also damning
  • Nazir will likely want to boast the fact he killed the VP

Brody's only hope for a plausible way of surviving to see season 3 would be if Nazir doesn't brag about his role in the VP's death and somehow kills (blows up) the CIA guys that want to kill him. Carrie, blinded by her affection keeps Brody's role in the VP's death a secret.
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Yup Carrie knows Brody gave up the serial number but I guess she might keep quiet for her love.
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Old 12-06-2012, 02:52 PM   #94
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I suppose Brody and Carrie could always go rogue. Fits with the 24 way of doing things. I think it would be a train wreck, though.
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Old 12-06-2012, 03:10 PM   #96
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A CIA mole also fits the 24 framework. I expect there will be one revealed soon.
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Old 12-06-2012, 03:15 PM   #97
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LOL! I generally avoid Twitter, but that was funny!
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LOL! I generally avoid Twitter, but that was funny!
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Old 12-06-2012, 06:30 PM   #99
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The thing that's been really bothering me this season is how totally awesome Nazir's organization is. Islamic terrorists tend to be unbalanced teenagers who can be talked into strapping on a suicide vest; Islamic hit-squads tend to be mobs with mis-matched guns hanging off the back of a Jeep; domestic terrorism is usually morons trying to buy fertilizer from the FBI. But here, they're able to field teams in the US that are armed and trained like the Special Forces, and repeatedly gain the most detailed information about the Vice President.

Last season seemed like something that, if you squinted at it just right, was borderline plausible. This season, not so much. It's still decent, watchable TV. But last year, it was one of the best shows ever, so passable adequacy is a real let-down.

[edit] Oops, I forgot what triggered my outburst in this episode...their use of the hoary Hollywood cliché, the broadside ambush, which would require incredible resources and planning to actually pull off. I HATE when they do that.
The show has become as believable as 24, but I can't stop watching.
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Old 12-06-2012, 07:00 PM   #100
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My nightmare scenario is that with no VP and the "powers that be" infatuated with Brody there will be a "Brody for VP" thread next season. (BTW if that happens Homeland will officially "Jump the Shark").
Not sure what you mean by this. There is a clear succession plan when the VP is removed from office or dies. He would be replaced by the Speaker of the House.

And if you mean some other "Brody for VP" that would require Brody teaming up with *another* presidential candidate. That's really not likely to happen at this point.

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Totally agree. I'm not sure this show has the potential to go past 2 or even 3 seasons.
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Old 12-06-2012, 07:03 PM   #101
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Old 12-06-2012, 07:17 PM   #102
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Not sure what you mean by this. There is a clear succession plan when the VP is removed from office or dies. He would be replaced by the Speaker of the House.
The new VP is appointed by The President but has to be confirmed by Congress.
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Old 12-06-2012, 07:20 PM   #103
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Old 12-06-2012, 07:58 PM   #104
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Not sure what you mean by this. There is a clear succession plan when the VP is removed from office or dies. He would be replaced by the Speaker of the House.
That's not how it works.

The defined line of succession you're talking about is only for replacing the President. You go down the line until you find the first person who is eligible and capable (and presumably willing) to fill the position.

The Speaker of the House only comes into play in the event that both the President and VP are dead or otherwise incapacitated. If the Speaker is unable to be President (because, for instance, he's dead too or not a natural born citizen) then you go to the next in line. When Madeline Albright was Secretary of State, or when Henry Kissenger was, they were in the line of succession, but if it ever came to them, they would be passed over as they were not natural born citizens.

The line of succession is not used to fill any other positions, not even the VP.

If someone in middle of the line dies, everybody from that spot down doesn't suddenly move up a spot.

It the office of VP is vacated in mid-term for whatever reason, the President nominates someone and Congress has to approve them.



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Old 12-06-2012, 08:29 PM   #105
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President picks Brody? Brody's political party wants him to make a presidential bid.
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Old 12-06-2012, 11:03 PM   #106
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That was some of the funniest stuff I have read in a long time- awesome!
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Old 12-07-2012, 06:57 AM   #107
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40 people and military around the VP's house, all conveniently downstairs. But a quick trip to the potty and up Brody goes to an empty upstairs and office. Then th VP is all, "oh, their you are! Getting ready to move in?". Chuckle.

Yikes, sloppy writing.
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Old 12-07-2012, 08:52 AM   #108
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Old 12-07-2012, 09:55 AM   #109
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A CIA mole also fits the 24 framework. I expect there will be one revealed soon.
We already know there's a mole. That's how Brody got the combination to Estes safe.
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Old 12-07-2012, 01:47 PM   #110
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I was expecting a mountain lion to appear when Carrie was released.
Me too. Is it just me or did this show go all "24" season 2? I never thought it was a "24" clone during season one, but I don't think I new that it was done by the 24 people back then. Maybe it's the placebo effect...

Last year, best show ever. This year still pretty good, but a very different TV show.
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Old 12-07-2012, 03:17 PM   #111
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I find tons of holes in this week's episode. First of all, Mike and Jess aren't going to be making out like that and talking about how "fun" last night was - WITH both their kids in CLOSE earshot. The son seemed to be right in the next room, and the daughter just around the corner.

Second, no way the FBI/CIA would be letting Brody, a known and admitted terrorist (even if he "turned back") anywhere un-escorted near the VP, that he previously tried to kill, much less let him wander around, undetected, around the VP's office like that. Somebody would have been watching him.

Third, it's going to take the CIA about 2.5 seconds to implicate Brody in the VPs death, even if it looks like "natural causes" or a pacemaker malfunction. And Brody's finger prints are all over the pacemaker box. And there aren't video cameras all around the compound that has Brody wandering around? Come on.
I basically agree with all those. But oddly the thing that bothered me most about the episode was the almost irrelivant line from the trucker that placed the deserted facility and 2 lane country road as "Highway 50, east of Chantilly [VA]".

It's one of those local knowledge things that just bugs you.
1) In VA it's known as Rt 50, not Highway 50.
2) And from Chantilly, all the way into the city it's basically solid strip malls, office parks, and sububan housing; with frequent stoplights
2) At Chantilly, Rt 50 is 6 lanes wide (plus turn lanes) and while it does eventually narrow down to 'only' 4 lanes further east, it's still not a 2 lane road through the country; at least not anywhere near Chantilly.

How hard would it have been to pick someplace much further south or west that actually is outside heavy suburban buildup and might look like that? Any yes I know this is incredably minor, and it shouldn't bother me; but it does a bit. Oh well

(Still mostly like the show, just nitpicking a little 'cause that's what we do )
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Old 12-07-2012, 03:27 PM   #112
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It's one of those local knowledge things that just bugs you.
That reminds me of college - Univ. of Penn in the 80's. At one point, I can't remember the TV show -- St. Elsewhere maybe? Anyway, in one episode they visit their college -- U Penn -- our campus -- to film parts of the episode. When it aired, all the "college student" extras were obviously shipped in, and man-o-man, nobody at our school looked like that (and I'm being sexist here and talking about the women). My friends were all "no way she goes here".. "or her" "or her".. and so on. So yeah, local knowledge helps. I just don't know why they didn't hire actual Penn students to be the extras. I guess nobody looked good enough to be a background extra for 2 second shots.
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I basically agree with all those. But oddly the thing that bothered me most about the episode was the almost irrelivant line from the trucker that placed the deserted facility and 2 lane country road as "Highway 50, east of Chantilly [VA]".

It's one of those local knowledge things that just bugs you.
1) In VA it's known as Rt 50, not Highway 50.
2) And from Chantilly, all the way into the city it's basically solid strip malls, office parks, and sububan housing; with frequent stoplights
2) At Chantilly, Rt 50 is 6 lanes wide (plus turn lanes) and while it does eventually narrow down to 'only' 4 lanes further east, it's still not a 2 lane road through the country; at least not anywhere near Chantilly.

How hard would it have been to pick someplace much further south or west that actually is outside heavy suburban buildup and might look like that? Any yes I know this is incredably minor, and it shouldn't bother me; but it does a bit. Oh well

(Still mostly like the show, just nitpicking a little 'cause that's what we do )
This bothered me too - it's lazy writing.

There are plenty of rural spots on Rt 50 they could have used. Perhaps they were using Apple Maps?
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That's pretty common on TV shows. A few weeks ago on The Mentalist, Patrick Jane was in Clearlake, talking on the phone with Lisbon, who was in the office in Sacramento. At the end of the conversation, she said, "I'll see you in an hour." On a good day, Clearlake is 2 hours from Sacramento.

I chuckled, then watched the rest of the show.

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That's pretty common on TV shows. A few weeks ago on The Mentalist, Patrick Jane was in Clearlake, talking on the phone with Lisbon, who was in the office in Sacramento. At the end of the conversation, she said, "I'll see you in an hour." On a good day, Clearlake is 2 hours from Sacramento.

I chuckled, then watched the rest of the show.

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If they met somewhere half-way, it would work.
Plus she won't get pulled over for speeding. If she goes 140, she can make it easy!

TV geography can be so amusing...
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I live near LA.. That show 24 always made me laugh how Jack was able to get from 1 side of LA to the other in a commercial break.
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I live near LA.. That show 24 always made me laugh how Jack was able to get from 1 side of LA to the other in a commercial break.
Hey. Jack only had 24 hours for the whole season.

Maybe he worked in the same days as in Genesis.
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If they met somewhere half-way, it would work.
Not even. While Lisbon would get to the halfway point pretty quickly (she's driving up I-5 at 70mph), the drive down Hwy 20 to I-5 is a windy road through foothills that vary from 55mph all the way down to 25 in places.

Of course, Jane has magical Mentalist powers, so who knows?

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