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Old 07-24-2014, 09:37 PM   #31
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Anyone who's used the Stream on an iPad knows that the controls are very limited. It's basically 8 second IR and 30 second skip.
What? I'm confused by this. The iOS App offers a scrub bar so you can jump to anywhere in the stream - in fact that's one of the major advantages of watching via the iOS app over watching on the TiVo itself. I must be misunderstanding your statement.

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Old 07-24-2014, 09:54 PM   #32
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What? I'm confused by this. The iOS App offers a scrub bar so you can jump to anywhere in the stream - in fact that's one of the major advantages of watching via the iOS app over watching on the TiVo itself. I must be misunderstanding your statement.
For me its missing the frame preview while scrubbing. I guess technically not necessary, but for fast-forward / rewind getting those frames are helpful to know when to stop.


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Old 07-25-2014, 12:09 AM   #33
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Good stuff, thanks.

It bugs me that he keeps pronouncing it as "Hex". Maybe that's the community's preferred pronunciation, I dunno; but it makes no sense.

Obvious pronunciation: "Hacks"
Plausible alternate pronunciations: "Hacks-ee", "Haycks"
Impossible pronunciation under any known rules of English: "Hex"
"hex" is an acceptable pronunciation, and if you do a google search you'll find that lots of people pronounce it that way, and that some even claim that it is the "official" pronunciation (although I think the claim is overblown as there isn't an "official" pronunciation that I am aware of).

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Old 07-25-2014, 12:58 AM   #34
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Anxious to see how Tivo evolves going forward, bji. We're excited about the switch.

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Old 07-25-2014, 08:18 AM   #35
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I'm not sure they switched away from Flash completely. The Premiere hardware was based around Flash and I'm not sure the CPU has enough juice to run the UI natively. Although it looks like Haxe allows Flash as a target for the compiler, so maybe they are using Haxe to make the UI more hardware independent for future hardware or for porting to MSO hardware while compiling as Flash for current hardware.
This would be my guess. So that now they can compile their UI into a different platform and run it on different boxes. They have already demo'd this, right? Running it on Amazon's hardware.

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Old 07-25-2014, 08:59 AM   #36
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The only way that a Roku or Amazon TV could actually watch video from a TiVo is if they used the Stream, as those devices only support H.264 encoding natively. Anyone who's used the Stream on an iPad knows that the controls are very limited. It's basically 8 second IR and 30 second skip. So I'm not sure a full TiVo remote would really be necessary.
You're assuming that is a limitation of the Stream itself instead of the client software to this point. You're also assuming that they can't buffer the video at the client and srub through it from the buffer.

We didn't see video when he was running it on the Amazon Fire TV, but he said it was "the same code" as a real TiVo box, so I assume it's probably closer to using the same APIs and interfaces as the Mini than the iPad app, and you can trick play and RW and FF just fine on a Mini.

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Old 07-25-2014, 12:39 PM   #37
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"hex" is an acceptable pronunciation, and if you do a google search you'll find that lots of people pronounce it that way, and that some even claim that it is the "official" pronunciation (although I think the claim is overblown as there isn't an "official" pronunciation that I am aware of).
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Old 07-25-2014, 01:27 PM   #38
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Congratulations on your first post. Welcome to the forums.
Thank you. I have been informed that as an employee of TiVo I should let you know that my comments never have and never will represent TiVo in any official capacity. They are simply my own opinions.

But just so you know, we all pronounce it "hex" here, because we were informed when we started working with this technology that this was the generally accepted pronunciation, and at this point, it's second nature for all of us.

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Old 07-25-2014, 03:05 PM   #39
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???? so Haxe is pronounced "Hex"???

I would have never guessed that.

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Old 07-25-2014, 03:22 PM   #40
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Thank you. I have been informed that as an employee of TiVo I should let you know that my comments never have and never will represent TiVo in any official capacity. They are simply my own opinions.

But just so you know, we all pronounce it "hex" here, because we were informed when we started working with this technology that this was the generally accepted pronunciation, and at this point, it's second nature for all of us.
Let me take this one opportunity to inappropriately derail this thread by jumping on the fact you're a TiVo employee. After this post I'll treat you just as if you were any other poster.

I hope the Xbox client won't be hypothetical forever. The fact that it's a possibility is probably one of the biggest things I got excited about out of the Haxe slide deck. I'd pay to have Mini-like functionality on my Xbox.

Oh, and ESPN3, HBO Go and Amazon Prime streaming for Roamios. That's all

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Old 07-25-2014, 03:58 PM   #41
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???? so Haxe is pronounced "Hex"???

I would have never guessed that.
The language creator is French. When he says it, it sounds a bit more like 'ecks' to me, but I just say 'hex'. With any pronunciation, it's still pretty cool technology.

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Old 07-25-2014, 04:20 PM   #42
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feeling the engineering presence today.. indeed very cool tech. can't wait to see what's in the pipeline.


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Old 09-01-2014, 10:36 AM   #43
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Can someone do everyone a huge favor and update the Wikipedia TiVo website to reflect currently accurate information? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TiVo_di..._TiVo_Premiere

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Old 09-01-2014, 10:51 AM   #44
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Thank you. I have been informed that as an employee of TiVo I should let you know that my comments never have and never will represent TiVo in any official capacity. They are simply my own opinions.

But just so you know, we all pronounce it "hex" here, because we were informed when we started working with this technology that this was the generally accepted pronunciation, and at this point, it's second nature for all of us.
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Old 09-01-2014, 10:52 AM   #45
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Hope he doesn't get scared away like the last one. I miss TiVoBill.

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Old 09-06-2014, 02:41 PM   #46
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Thanks TiVo & all the devs that worked on this. The UI is much more responsive. I'm very happy to see the change as I expect it will lead to faster and more reliable updates (not that I've had any problems lately).

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Old 09-07-2014, 09:25 AM   #47
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What? I'm confused by this. The iOS App offers a scrub bar so you can jump to anywhere in the stream - in fact that's one of the major advantages of watching via the iOS app over watching on the TiVo itself. I must be misunderstanding your statement.
I meant that it wont be able to offer the full TiVo experience, with 3 levels of FF/RW, skip to tick, etc... So it wont be exactly like the Mini.

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You're assuming that is a limitation of the Stream itself instead of the client software to this point. You're also assuming that they can't buffer the video at the client and srub through it from the buffer.

We didn't see video when he was running it on the Amazon Fire TV, but he said it was "the same code" as a real TiVo box, so I assume it's probably closer to using the same APIs and interfaces as the Mini than the iPad app, and you can trick play and RW and FF just fine on a Mini.
It's not a limit of the Stream per say, it a limit of on the fly transcoding. There will always be a lag when you have to transcode from MPEG-2 to H.264. There are buffering and timing issues, plus the added overhead of two network transfers happening. And buffering wouldn't really work because any time you skipped beyond the edge of the buffer it would have to refill, and the bigger the buffer the longer that would take.

But there are some tricks I can think of that "might" be able to recreate the true TiVo experience. One would be to do FF in the decoder. (RW is a bit trickier) So basically the decode leg would FF just like a regular TiVo, only decoding the frames that would actually be displayed, and then feed those into the encoder as if they are consecutive frames. So as far as the encoder, and player, are concerned it's a regular stream playing at 1x, but what you'd see is the video playing at high speed like it's FFing. They'd have to use a relatively high bitrate though as the constant hard scene changes involved would trip up a low bitrate encode and you'd end up wit a smeared, pixelated, mess. The timing could also be a bit tricky to make it look smooth, but I'm sure they deal with that already just displaying FF on the TiVo itself. This also may not be possible depending on how the Stream hardware is designed and how much software control they have over the transcoding process. Although if the Stream can't do it they might be able to do it on the TiVo side by manipulating the MPEG-2 stream being sent to the Stream.

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Old 05-30-2015, 03:39 AM   #48
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WWX2015 (a Haxe conference) is happening this weekend. Tivo is there again this year, this time showing their Activity haxelib during a short and sweet presentation.

Bryan Ischo describes Activity as "a thread-like API that is portable across all targets. The idea being to allow developers to write code once that can take advantage of multiple threads for performance on platforms which support that, but still work on single threaded platforms like javascript."

It's a pretty code-specific topic, nothing like last year's big transition presentation, but if anyone's interested the conference is being live streamed. The presentation starts at 9:20 AM ET this morning. If you're awake yet.

Stream: http://wwx.silexlabs.org/2015/

About Activity API: https://github.com/TiVo/activity

Full Schedule: http://www.silexlabs.org/wwx2015-schedule-and-speakers


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Did they archive the two videos/sessions anywhere? And/or was there anything of interest beyond the programming stuff?


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Did they archive the two videos/sessions anywhere? And/or was there anything of interest beyond the programming stuff?


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It doesn't seem to be up as of now, but it might get posted to the event organizer's youtube account:
https://www.youtube.com/user/Silexlabs/videos

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Todd started about 20 minutes early due to the previous presentation having a technical hiccup. So he switched places with them.

It was a purely technical presentation about the code, with a number of slides. Folks seem to think it's clever. I was watching for it, but there was nothing particularly newsworthy for non-programmers.

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I was noodling around a bit and noticed that Tivo added some more slides about Haxe. In particular, the "Haxe in the Enterprise" presentation shows an interesting summary of what's been happening in the last year since the Haxe migration started.

https://github.com/TiVo/wwx2015

Video of the presentation if you want some extra color.

And here's an article with some quotes from May:

http://haxe.org/articles/tivo-and-haxe/


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I was noodling around a bit and noticed that Todd Kulick added some more slides about Haxe. In particular, the "Haxe in the Enterprise" presentation shows an interesting summary of what's been happening in the last year since the Haxe migration started.

https://github.com/TiVo/wwx2015

Video of the presentation if you want some extra color.

And here's an article with some quotes from May:

http://haxe.org/articles/tivo-and-haxe/
I started playing the 2014 presentation video at the end of the haxe.org link. I skipped around a bit and landed around minute 55. He referred to the Roamio TiVo as being the current line known as "Series 6 boxes".

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I started playing the 2014 presentation video at the end of the haxe.org link. I skipped around a bit and landed around minute 55. He referred to the Roamio TiVo as being the current line known as "Series 6 boxes".
Yeah I noticed that too back when I watched it. I think he just misspoke.

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