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Old 03-25-2013, 03:34 PM   #91
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At its heart, TAR is about adventure tourism. The sites visited in any gien location are frequently those that a traveler is likely to visit. I mentioned earlier that the B-52 park is one of the frequently visited attractions (#24 of 60 on TripAdvisor), and that the 'Hanoi Hilton' prison is actually a higher rated site on TripAdvisor (#7). Do you think the outcry would be more or less had they visited that location instead?
I think visiting the Hanoi Hilton is something they could have done, and done in a way that wouldn't necessarily be offending to people. A lot of it comes down to how it's presented, and I think there's a number of people that just felt that this episode wasn't very well thought out in how they presented things.

(Heck, I'm pretty sure there's an episode from a past season where they visited a site in Africa that had a building that was used to house slaves before they were shipped away. Yet the way it was handled in that episode I don't remember there being people that really had an issue with it.)

Presentation matters. In this case, cheerful socialist propaganda song followed by visit to B-52 site, probably not the most tasteful combination for an american audience. Heck, they probably could have found a way to do exactly the same things they did but not present quite the same questionable note. Obviously I don't think the show had any intention of trying to offend anyone, they just didn't really think things through all that well in their editing.
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Old 03-25-2013, 03:40 PM   #92
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We can disagree and still be polite.

FWIW, I don't think CBS was oblivious. I think they considered it and disagreed. Most of the people in this thread don't think it was bad. I think you learn from history by understanding it. Most of the highly coveted 18-49 demographic were born after the way ended and know nearly nothing about it. At the very least, they see something that provokes discussion. Perhaps even with their parents. I see that as a good thing.
I would be very curious to see the behind the scenes production discussion on this leg of the race. While a good portion of the audience probably couldn't find Vietnam on a map, there are still people with whom it is a very touchy subject.
Did they not think about it or did they think that people wouldn't be bothered by it.
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Old 03-25-2013, 04:08 PM   #93
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Presentation matters. In this case, cheerful socialist propaganda song followed by visit to B-52 site, probably not the most tasteful combination for an american audience. Heck, they probably could have found a way to do exactly the same things they did but not present quite the same questionable note. Obviously I don't think the show had any intention of trying to offend anyone, they just didn't really think things through all that well in their editing.
I see what everyone is saying now, but to be honest, I bet there are a lot of people like me who are my age and younger who did not even give the socialist song and the B-52 site a second thought.

I was just amused by the song, and the only thing I really thought about the B-52 site was "why did they go there, they didn't even do anything with it".

My knowledge of the war and why we were even there is pretty limited. It is one of those events in history where I wasn't alive when it was going on and it was so recent that none of my history classes really ever got to that point by the end of the year. Our US History classes seemed to always end up racing through the post-WWII era in like the last 2 weeks of school.
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Old 03-25-2013, 04:11 PM   #94
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John McCain and the American Legion accepted CBS' apology.

http://www.app.com/article/20130325/...r-Amazing-Race
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Old 03-25-2013, 06:13 PM   #95
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John McCain and the American Legion accepted CBS' apology.

http://www.app.com/article/20130325/...r-Amazing-Race
Just saw that on TV at the gym.
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Old 03-25-2013, 08:17 PM   #96
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... there are still people with whom it is a very touchy subject.
Did they not think about it or did they think that people wouldn't be bothered by it.
This...so much...this. I lost some classmates in Viet Nam....
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Old 03-25-2013, 10:26 PM   #97
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I'm amazed this even made CNN.
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Old 03-26-2013, 04:14 PM   #98
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Presentation matters.
I agree with everything you said in your post, especially the quoted part.

No one is denying that this war happened and the site is there. But it wasn't presented with reverence and respect for those who lost their lives there. They could have made more of a point to honor the Americans who lost their lives at the very monument they were visiting.

Imagine if today (or in a few years) they went to Afghanistan and visited the site of a blown up Humvee from an IED and then we watched some locals doing a dance/song singing the praises of Al Qaeda and the Taliban winning. We would think that is in terrible taste now and many years in the future because it is personal for us. Our kids or grand kids would probably have no understanding of why we didn't like it because 9/11 didn't happen in their lifetime.

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Old 03-26-2013, 08:59 PM   #99
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I thought it was funny that early on in the episode you couldn't see anything on the tablets and later you can see that they pasted a printed picture of both couples up on the screens.
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Old 03-26-2013, 09:33 PM   #100
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I'm sure tablets SEEMED like a good idea, but I can't believe they wouldn't have tested them for actual video display purposes...?? Just using technology for technology's sake (in this instance) seems silly.
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Old 03-27-2013, 11:07 AM   #101
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Gucci has two official stores in Viet Nam: http://www.gucci.com/us/storelocator

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Sheraton Saigon Hotel,88 Dong Khoi Street, District 1
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Viet Nam is a lot like China these days. Communists in power but capitalism is in full force, including luxury goods.
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