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Old 09-12-2014, 03:05 PM   #61
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I didn't mean it that way, I just meant compared to her little sister - that he never raped her and it was a single instance. I wasn't trying to imply it wasn't wrong or illegal. I was mostly saying it made sense if he was drunk and a single incident why she didn't report it and why she worked with him later...
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Old 09-12-2014, 04:39 PM   #62
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I didn't mean it that way, I just meant compared to her little sister - that he never raped her and it was a single instance. I wasn't trying to imply it wasn't wrong or illegal. I was mostly saying it made sense if he was drunk and a single incident why she didn't report it and why she worked with him later...
Sorry. I agree that the two situations are very different. As for reporting it, remember that her sister didn't report it either. It was the family's personal assistant who caught him in the act and reported it.
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Old 09-12-2014, 04:46 PM   #63
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I didn't mean it that way, I just meant compared to her little sister - that he never raped her and it was a single instance. I wasn't trying to imply it wasn't wrong or illegal. I was mostly saying it made sense if he was drunk and a single incident why she didn't report it and why she worked with him later...
What would being drunk have to do with it? Drunk or sober, there is no excuse for those actions.
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Old 09-12-2014, 05:00 PM   #64
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What would being drunk have to do with it? Drunk or sober, there is no excuse for those actions.
I don't believe that's what he meant. I think he just meant that in the daughter's young mind that maybe she just wrote it of as that and afterwards went on with life as normal. I think the booze probably gave him the nerve to try something he'd been thinking about for a while. Obviously, he grew more brave as time went on and now here we are.
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Old 09-12-2014, 06:00 PM   #65
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What would being drunk have to do with it? Drunk or sober, there is no excuse for those actions.
It might play into a 12 year old's decision to report it or in her determination of the seriousness of it. Obviously us adults know there is no excuse.

Not sure why you guys are taking my comments to be excusing it - I certainly am NOT. We were discussing earlier 'why wouldn't she have come forward before now? Why would she work with him?"
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Old 09-12-2014, 06:01 PM   #66
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I don't believe that's what he meant. I think he just meant that in the daughter's young mind that maybe she just wrote it of as that and afterwards went on with life as normal. I think the booze probably gave him the nerve to try something he'd been thinking about for a while. Obviously, he grew more brave as time went on and now here we are.
Yes, exactly.
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Old 09-29-2014, 03:24 PM   #67
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Some new and disturbing details:

http://www.guns.com/2014/09/13/as-di...et-makes-best/

"The Discovery Channel cancelled “Sons of Guns” following Hayden’s second arrest on Aug. 26. In the aftermath, details about another rape victim emerged. His 34-year-old daughter, who defended him after the initial charges, described to investigators an incident when she was 12.

She alleges Hayden had asked her if she wanted to get high with him, which she said yes. After the two smoked marijuana together, “(Hayden) then placed his hand over her mouth to prevent her from screaming and laid his entire body weight on top of her.”

While she was unable to move, he “removed her panties and pajama shorts and vaginally raped her.”

She said she had been reluctant to tell anyone except her husband about the incident because she feared no one in her family would believe her."

This is much worse than what she described on Dr. Phil.

Hayden remains in jail and hasn't made bond.

http://www.ebrso.org/ParishPrisonInm...teListApp.aspx

Please click on the to register in LAVNS and be notified when this offender's custody status changes
Last Name First Name Register Date Booked Bond Appearence Form
HAYDEN WILLIAM MICHALE 8/27/2014 Submit
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Old 09-29-2014, 04:32 PM   #68
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Wow. It just keeps getting worse.

I wonder why she is telling her side of the story in pieces? Could be that she is slowly coming to terms with it I guess.
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Wow, that is a very different story than she told on Dr. Phil.

Horrible.
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Old 10-25-2014, 12:08 PM   #70
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It keeps on getting worse.

http://www.fox8live.com/story/268869...venile-charges

Two stars of the now canceled reality show "Sons of Guns" have been arrested on child abuse charges.

Warrants were issued Thursday by the Livingston Parish Sheriff's Office for the arrest of Kristafor Ford and his wife Stephanie Hayden. According to the arrest warrant from Livingston Parish, Kristafor is accused of hitting a 9-year-old with a leather belt on the child's lower, right thigh. Reports say there was a large bruise on the child's thigh and buttocks area.

Ford was arrested Friday afternoon and charged with cruelty to a juvenile.

Stephanie Hayden was arrested Friday and charged with principal to cruelty to a juvenile because she was allegedly in the room when the incident happened.
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Old 10-26-2014, 04:34 AM   #71
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So basically, Kris spanked his kid?

Yeah, it was with a belt, but I'm sure there are plenty of us who got belted, spanked (with hands), caned, etc back in the day. Heck, I'm sure with the older folks you can include paddling as well. Or whippings.

Not turning it into a spanking-is-child-abuse tangent, but that's what it sounds like to me. (IMHO, I don't think spare-the-rod-spoil-the-child works looking at today's youth and teens).

And Stephanie for being there? I think she was simply making sure things didn't go wrong or to make sure Kris didn't take it too far.
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So basically, Kris spanked his kid?

Yeah, it was with a belt, but I'm sure there are plenty of us who got belted, spanked (with hands), caned, etc back in the day. Heck, I'm sure with the older folks you can include paddling as well. Or whippings.

Not turning it into a spanking-is-child-abuse tangent, but that's what it sounds like to me. (IMHO, I don't think spare-the-rod-spoil-the-child works looking at today's youth and teens).

And Stephanie for being there? I think she was simply making sure things didn't go wrong or to make sure Kris didn't take it too far.
Gay bashing was ok back in the day. So were separate water fountains and schools for blacks and whites. Spousal rape was not a crime back in the day. It was a wife's duty. If she didn't like it - tough.

Times change and hopefully we get more civilized as we move along. You can punish a child without leaving large bruises on them.
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Old 10-26-2014, 11:15 AM   #73
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I got spanked with a belt two or three times. It did not leave a gigantic bruise. (It was also reserved for an extreme punishment, not common at all.)
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Old 10-27-2014, 02:52 AM   #74
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Well, your examples are poor in that it's violence against people who cannot change themselves. One does not choose to be gay (no matter how many religions say it is a choice, it isn't, because few would willingly choose to put themselves in such a position given anti-gay sentiment around the world), nor does one choose to be black, or female. It goes against treating people fairly.

Now kids, though, need proper parenting, and cause-and-effect is something learned very early (within the first or second year) growing up. You know, like putting your hand on a stove hurts, stealing from someone else makes daddy very angry, lying seems to work at first but it can backfire in a big way etc.

Or negative behaviors end up getting reinforced - if I make a big yelling, screaming and crying scene in the store, mommy or daddy will buy that toy/cookie/whatever. (Cue my story of being marched out of the supermarket by my dad so my mom can finish shopping, and lecturing me all about why what I did was wrong in public.

Anyhow, back on topic, we don't know why Kris did what he did - is he a parent that angers easily and beats his kid up regularly? Or was it a rather serious incident that occurred?

Of course, it looks like it's the most exciting thing that's happened in Baton Rouge in a long time. Either that or Sons of Guns was huge there.
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Old 10-27-2014, 12:13 PM   #75
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My point was there are crimes today, such as spousal rape, that were legal and accepted by the culture back in the day - and not that long ago. Times change and attitudes and laws regarding corporal punishment have also changed. Just ask Adrian Peterson, who despite his wealth and fame is facing trial for the same type of "whipping" of his child.
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Old 10-27-2014, 01:35 PM   #76
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I'd bet the cops are just being super carfull due to Will's connection.
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I'd bet the cops are just being super carfull due to Will's connection.
I was thinking the opposite, maybe Will has a few friends at the police station and this is a little payback for his daughter speaking out. You really think in Baton Rouge spanking a kid with a belt isn't a daily occurrence? And how many of those people get arrested? I think the police went a little overboard with an arrest if this was just a spanking and not outright abuse.
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Old 10-28-2014, 09:56 AM   #78
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I was thinking the opposite, maybe Will has a few friends at the police station and this is a little payback for his daughter speaking out. You really think in Baton Rouge spanking a kid with a belt isn't a daily occurrence? And how many of those people get arrested? I think the police went a little overboard with an arrest if this was just a spanking and not outright abuse.
Sorry, but beating your child with a belt IS ABUSE!
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