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Old 10-03-2012, 07:00 PM   #121
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I don't know that is true. I think more people than you think distinguish the difference between a laugh track (pre-recorded laughter track) and a live studio audience laughter.
I certainly do.

There was a trend in the early 70's to record live audience reactions to a sitcom either performed before them or the video played to them and leave the laughter recorded from the audience totally alone. No tweaking, fiddling or "sweating" whatsoever. I think "All in The Family" was the first show to do this, maybe not. But it was definitely *one* of the first. Other Norman Leer shows such as "Sanford and Son" and "The Jeffersons" also followed this practice.

I did not mind the laughter on these shows at all because it was absolutely genuine and sounded genuine. It gave me the feeling of watching a live comedy play (because, in effect, I was watching exactly that, just captured on video).

However, there's been a more recent trend of "sweetening" laughter recorded from a live audience. It really and truely sounds to me like the laughter on BBT is about 20% live audience and 80% "sweetening". At this level, it may as well be a laugh track.

I really like the show, but I do wish they'd either try it "All in the Family" style, where they didn't fiddle with the live captured audience laughter, or simply drop the laughter (like "The Office", "Parks & Rec", etc.)
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Old 10-03-2012, 07:09 PM   #122
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Reference to two iPhones left in bars prior to release of those models. Wound up leaking the features.
LOL. Okay, now it makes sense. Thank you.
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Old 10-03-2012, 07:09 PM   #123
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I really like the show, but I do wish they'd either try it "All in the Family" style, where they didn't fiddle with the live captured audience laughter, or simply drop the laughter (like "The Office", "Parks & Rec", etc.)
Is there an example of a show filmed before an audience without any laughter at all in the audio track, where they edited it out?
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Old 10-03-2012, 07:43 PM   #124
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Old 10-03-2012, 07:52 PM   #125
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Old 10-03-2012, 09:56 PM   #126
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LOL. Okay, now it makes sense. Thank you.
First time I saw it I burst out laughing. A non iPhone friend was confused.
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Old 10-03-2012, 11:31 PM   #127
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Is there an example of a show filmed before an audience without any laughter at all in the audio track, where they edited it out?
Not quite what you asked, but some people (usually people who dislike a particular show) drop out the laugh tracks from sitcoms and place the results on YouTube. Three from TBBT:


The Big Bang Theory - No Laugh Track 1 (Avoiding the Shamy)
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Big Bang Theory minus laugh track 2
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Big Bang Theory minus laughter(with laugh track gaps removed)
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It is not really a fair to the show, because the show uses the laughter to help set their pacing.

Just for the heck of it, the same treatment to a clip of Friends:

Friends (No Laugh Track Version)
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Old 10-04-2012, 02:05 AM   #128
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Here's an interesting article that I found. I was incorrect about a few things that I posted.

http://nymag.com/arts/tv/features/laughtracks-2011-12/
That was a really interesting article.
As is the wiki on Charles Douglass.
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Old 10-04-2012, 07:29 AM   #129
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Is there an example of a show filmed before an audience without any laughter at all in the audio track, where they edited it out?
I've never seen an example of this, but when M*A*S*H was first shown on BBC2 in the UK, the laugh track was removed and it made it a MUCH better show. When Sky TV re-ran the show WITH the track, it lost all its appeal.
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Old 10-04-2012, 10:17 AM   #130
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It's just that even in season one, the show wasn't just about the techie/geek jokes, it was about 4 guys trying to get along and have fun. A geeky orientated Friends or such. Maybe I am just more a geek than I thought.
I don't want to stir up the old argument here (instead, I'll start a new one ).

In the early season, the show was about 4 guys hanging out with the hot girl across the hall. The fun thing for me was that the four guys were fans and scientists. They were recognizable as people I could meet at any con.

And when they brought in AFF and Bernadette (and Leslie Winkle), they were also scientists. But who remembers that now?

That's part of the reason the show seems a little flat for me compared to the early seasons. It's not because they introduced AFF and Bernadette, but because AFF and Bernadette have lost their academic flavor, too.

We still get girl techies represented on TV (usually as the lab rats on CSI, CSI:LA, NCIS, etc.) but it's not the same. TBBT used to be the show where the techies were the norm and the mundane girl was the oddball, and now it's just an ordinary fun show about a group of friends.
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Yeah, I did like when Sheldon was AFF's lab assistant

Or when Bernadette would reference her crazy biological weapon level germs and bacteria stuff
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Old 10-04-2012, 10:28 AM   #132
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AFF has followed a believable development. She never had friends before and now she does. Her besty is her primary relationship.

Sheldon is a place holder.
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Old 10-04-2012, 02:20 PM   #133
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Yeah, I did like when Sheldon was AFF's lab assistant

Or when Bernadette would reference her crazy biological weapon level germs and bacteria stuff
Exactly. And in a Hollywood where we have Danica McKellar (she's a math geek) and Mayim Bialik (who actually has a PhD in neuroscience), it would be nice to see women like them represented.
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Old 10-04-2012, 03:29 PM   #134
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I actually like that they have a "geeky" girl on the show who ISN'T into sci-fi. That's completely where I fit, and it's nice to be represented.
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Old 10-04-2012, 04:18 PM   #135
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I actually like that they have a "geeky" girl on the show who ISN'T into sci-fi.
That is TOTALLY unrealistic.
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That's completely where I fit, and it's nice to be represented.
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Old 10-04-2012, 04:30 PM   #136
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So did they shoot the space station scenes on the Vomit Comet?

Or was it just hollywood trickery?
Did a quick scan through the thread so I may have missed if this article was already posted:

http://www.collectspace.com/news/news-100412a.html



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Did a quick scan through the thread so I may have missed if this article was already posted:

http://www.collectspace.com/news/news-100412a.html
If I read one more person saying that this show is dumbed down, I'm going to point them to this article.
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Old 10-04-2012, 05:50 PM   #138
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If I read one more person saying that this show is dumbed down, I'm going to point them to this article.
Huh?!?

Not only did that not have anything to do with whether the show is dumbed down (it's about how the set designers are determined to be realistic)...they got the Latin wrong.
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Huh?!?

Not only did that not have anything to do with whether the show is dumbed down (it's about how the set designers are determined to be realistic)...they got the Latin wrong.
I think the fact that they were determined to get as many details about a spaceflight to the ISS as accurate as possible, even down to a uniform patch that 99% of people won't even see, shows how "geeky" they really (still) are behind the scenes.
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I think the fact that they were determined to get as many details about a spaceflight to the ISS as accurate as possible, even down to a uniform patch that 99% of people won't even see, shows how "geeky" they really (still) are behind the scenes.
And I say it shows that they have a very superficial commitment to realism (i.e., set dressing), which doesn't extend to the way the characters behave. And that's a change.

But I guess there's no point in even participating in these discussions. I'm clearly no longer the target market for this show.
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That is TOTALLY unrealistic. CLEARLY, you don't exist.
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Did a quick scan through the thread so I may have missed if this article was already posted:

http://www.collectspace.com/news/news-100412a.html

What's weird is that he looks superimposed on the chair.
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And I say it shows that they have a very superficial commitment to realism (i.e., set dressing), which doesn't extend to the way the characters behave. And that's a change.

But I guess there's no point in even participating in these discussions. I'm clearly no longer the target market for this show.
I'm personally of the belief that the show hasn't changed as much as people's personal perceptions of the show.
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Old 10-04-2012, 10:03 PM   #143
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I remember MASH, during the later seasons had some episodes where they didn't have a laugh track and frankly, the show seemed to be missing something.
I don't remember exactly when, but it's been told many times on retrospective shows/interviews that at some point (I *think* actually fairly early) that they negotiated with CBS to not use a laugh track during scenes in the operating room. So then, as Alda has told many times, they started doing more and more scenes in the operating room.

There were also other shows like the "newsreel episode(s)", that didn't have a laugh track.


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They're typically performed like a play, whether with a live audience or not, and the entire taping takes a couple hours.
Wow, even a half hour show really takes a couple of hours? I thought it was an hour, maybe 1.5 hours.

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Actually I think he goes back to I Love Lucy. I always wonder, in my warped mind, how many people on laugh tracks are actually dead
I think we need a term like the "Wilhelm scream" for these. (I don't recognize many of the laughs, but I do seem in the past to have remembered a woman's laugh on many different shows.)
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That is TOTALLY unrealistic. CLEARLY, you don't exist.
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I'm personally of the belief that the show hasn't changed as much as people's personal perceptions of the show.
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And I say it shows that they have a very superficial commitment to realism (i.e., set dressing), which doesn't extend to the way the characters behave. And that's a change.

But I guess there's no point in even participating in these discussions. I'm clearly no longer the target market for this show.
When did the show ever have a commitment to realism?

a super hot codependent alcoholic wanna be actor involved with smart codependent professionals who can't live alone?

How has that premise changed at all
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I'm personally of the belief that the show hasn't changed as much as people's personal perceptions of the show.
Maybe we aren't "geeky" enough to notice the change.

I think "geeks" ARE a target audience, but not THE target audience. If they were the only target audience, the show would have been canceled a long time ago due to poor ratings. Even the original Star Trek, part of the geek's main playbook only lasted what, two seasons?
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Old 10-05-2012, 05:27 PM   #148
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Wow, even a half hour show really takes a couple of hours? I thought it was an hour, maybe 1.5 hours.
I was being generous with the time to allow for set changes and re-takes. I'm sure you're right that the vast majority of 30 minute multi-cam shows film in much less than two hours.
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