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11-02-2009, 11:55 AM
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Will Series 3 Work With On Demand?
I've seen the threads on the Series 2 issues, but let me be more specific.
My son values On Demand (Cox Communications is the ISP) and it works great on his Series 2.
However, he wants to upgrade to a Series 3 and get the cable cards. Is there some way to connect one cable card and then connect the second tuner to a cable box so that he can continue to receive On Demand?
Do both tuners work if you connect a Series 3 to one cable box?
Anyone with a solution? (Be very, very specific, please).
Any word on when the 2.0 cable cards might come out? (I understand they will support On Demand and other two-way interactions with the ISP, such as purchasing football game coverage.)
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11-02-2009, 12:03 PM
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My son values On Demand (Cox Communications is the ISP) and it works great on his Series 2.
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On Demand won't work with the S3 in any way. The only way to use On Demand functionality is to use a cable box on a different input to the TV.
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However, he wants to upgrade to a Series 3 and get the cable cards. Is there some way to connect one cable card and then connect the second tuner to a cable box so that he can continue to receive On Demand?
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There is no way to do this.
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Do both tuners work if you connect a Series 3 to one cable box?
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You cannot connect an S3 to a cable box at all.
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Anyone with a solution? (Be very, very specific, please).
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As I mentioned above, the only solution is to use a cable box to a different input to the TV.
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11-02-2009, 12:55 PM
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If he is using on demand with a Series 2 he's using Amazon Video on Demand which works perfectly on a Series 3 and HD tivo.
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11-02-2009, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Stormspace
If he is using on demand with a Series 2 he's using Amazon Video on Demand which works perfectly on a Series 3 and HD tivo.
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How do you know he is not using the cable company's On Demand? That works just fine on a Series 2, but won't work on a Series 3.
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11-02-2009, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by LifeIsABeach
How do you know he is not using the cable company's On Demand? That works just fine on a Series 2, but won't work on a Series 3.
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How does the cable companies on demand work on an S2?
In my area the On demand is chosen from the box and sent digitally to the box with Comcast and FIOS.. The S2 is capable of this but the S3 isn't?
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Last edited by aaronwt : 11-02-2009 at 03:43 PM.
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11-02-2009, 01:12 PM
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I'm sure he means he is using Tivo Series 2 paired with a Cable Box via IR Blaster. You can tune On Demand with that type of setup. I've done it many times.
But to answer the original question...you can NOT pair a Cable Box with a Series 3 or Tivo HD.
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11-02-2009, 01:35 PM
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I use FIOS On-Demand all the time with my S2(s). Just use the STB remote and knock yourself out. It doesn't even need to be parallel to the TiVo - mine isn't (aren't).
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11-02-2009, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by cmshep222
I'm sure he means he is using Tivo Series 2 paired with a Cable Box via IR Blaster. You can tune On Demand with that type of setup. I've done it many times.
But to answer the original question...you can NOT pair a Cable Box with a Series 3 or Tivo HD.
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You can still do it if you split the signal before the cable box and S3. You'll just have to use the cable STB and a separate video input.
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11-02-2009, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by rocko
I use FIOS On-Demand all the time with my S2(s). Just use the STB remote and knock yourself out. It doesn't even need to be parallel to the TiVo - mine isn't (aren't).
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This is hardly my idea of "working with the S2."
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11-02-2009, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ah30k
This is hardly my idea of "working with the S2."
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Sorry it doesn't measure up. I can even use manual recordings if I so desire. It works a lot better with a S2 than it does with a S3, that's for sure.
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11-02-2009, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by rocko
Sorry it doesn't measure up. I can even use manual recordings if I so desire. It works a lot better with a S2 than it does with a S3, that's for sure.
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So you can get HD with the S2?
or are you just talking about having the outputs of your cable box go to the input of the S2 for encoding?
Which would not be working with On demand since you still have to choice the on demand from your cable Companies box. in which case you might as well just have an S3 for HD content and the cable companies box for true Video On demand and also in HD.
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11-02-2009, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by aaronwt
So you can get HD with the S2?
or are you just talking about having the outputs of your cable box go to the input of the S2 for encoding?
Which would not be working with On demand since you still have to choice the on demand from your cable Companies box. in which case you might as well just have an S3 for HD content and the cable companies box for true Video On demand and also in HD.
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I have a HD box on one of my S2s but obviously can't record HD on the S2 with S-Video/composite inputs.
I said it worked, not well, but it works.
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11-02-2009, 05:43 PM
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Yes, just like a VCR would work with VOD.
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11-03-2009, 11:40 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stormspace
You can still do it if you split the signal before the cable box and S3. You'll just have to use the cable STB and a separate video input.
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Thanks for the information.
So, just to be sure I'm clear....he could split the signal as it comes in from the wall.
One portion of the split is a cable into the System 3, which would have two cable cards and be able to record two shows at once.
The second portion of the split is a cable that would hook into the ISP's cable box and into an unused input of the TV, much as one would hook up a DVD player. This input would allow free On Demand shows from the Cox Communications ISP to be viewed, but it would not be able to be record them as it is not connected to the TiVo.
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11-03-2009, 11:46 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by barbeedoll
Thanks for the information.
So, just to be sure I'm clear....he could split the signal as it comes in from the wall.
One portion of the split is a cable into the System 3, which would have two cable cards and be able to record two shows at once.
The second portion of the split is a cable that would hook into the ISP's cable box and into an unused input of the TV, much as one would hook up a DVD player. This input would allow free On Demand shows from the Cox Communications ISP to be viewed, but it would not be able to be record them as it is not connected to the TiVo.
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That is exactly correct, that is the way to have an S3 and access to Cox On Demand.
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11-03-2009, 12:45 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by barbeedoll
Thanks for the information.
So, just to be sure I'm clear....he could split the signal as it comes in from the wall.
One portion of the split is a cable into the System 3, which would have two cable cards and be able to record two shows at once.
The second portion of the split is a cable that would hook into the ISP's cable box and into an unused input of the TV, much as one would hook up a DVD player. This input would allow free On Demand shows from the Cox Communications ISP to be viewed, but it would not be able to be record them as it is not connected to the TiVo.
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As SeanC said, that is correct.
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11-03-2009, 02:46 PM
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11-03-2009, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by SeanC
That is exactly correct, that is the way to have an S3 and access to Cox On Demand.
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Thanks so much to SeanC and Stormspace for the guidance.
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11-03-2009, 08:06 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stormspace
If he is using on demand with a Series 2 he's using Amazon Video on Demand which works perfectly on a Series 3 and HD tivo.
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You can WATCH On Demand on a series 2.
You can not RECORD it.
(At least with Comcast in Cali)
Edit: I really mean PREMIUM content from On-Demand... much of the non-premium content can be recorded (or at least could in the past, I have not tried it in a long time).
Last edited by Gavroche : 11-03-2009 at 08:12 PM.
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11-03-2009, 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ah30k
Yes, just like a VCR would work with VOD.
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Not correct. Many VCR's do not work with Comcast's On Demand service at all due to the analog macrovision copy protection. (On many older VCR's you can't even watch the signal through your VCR, even if you're not recording!)
On the Tivo series 2, it simply gives a message saying you can't record if you try to press record while watching Comcast's ON Demand "premium" programming.
Non-premium content used to be able to be recorded on the Tivo from OnDemand, but I don't know if this is still the case.
I also don't know if other cable providers (cox) use analog copy protection in the OnDemand content, but I would guess they would.
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