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Old 01-24-2014, 07:12 AM   #1
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Stream will NEVER support android. Product is dead.

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2014/...exit-hardware/'


screw tivo.... Stream will never get android support.

I am selling my unopened one while I can...
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Old 01-24-2014, 07:26 AM   #2
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Stream will NEVER support android. Product is dead.

Story is wrong. See follow ups at Ars Technica and elsewhere.

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...d.php?t=513841
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Old 01-24-2014, 09:53 AM   #3
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screw tivo.... Stream will never get android support.

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Old 01-24-2014, 09:57 AM   #4
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You are a little late.
And wrong.
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Old 01-24-2014, 12:16 PM   #5
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And even if they were exiting the hardware business why would that mean the stream for Android is dead? That's a software update.
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Old 01-25-2014, 09:14 AM   #6
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Probably should just delete this completely inaccurate thread Dan, especially since OP crossposted it everywhere.
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Old 01-29-2014, 03:57 PM   #7
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Doesn't bother me one bit! I never liked android devices anyways! Prefer the interface of iOS or Windows over android.

Interesting thing... If android is so much better then windows or iOS, you think that TiVo would make their app for it first!
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Old 01-30-2014, 07:51 AM   #8
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Doesn't bother me one bit! I never liked android devices anyways! Prefer the interface of iOS or Windows over android.

Interesting thing... If android is so much better then windows or iOS, you think that TiVo would make their app for it first!
It's not that iOS is better, it was probably that their market research showed that a majority of their users had iPhones over Androids at the time of decision back in 2010-11 when the product was going through requirement gathering. It seems they failed to look outside the San Jose/SF bubble to see that Apple was sitting on a paper throne, market share wise. They missed all the lower cost Android tablets that would become common place in most of their customer's homes and offices.

The entire concept was poorly thought out and executed. They should have build a device that streams to any browser and capitalize on the market of ANYONE UNDER 20 that only watch TV online on computers or tablets. By selecting a technology that was tied to iOS, they neglected defining a larger market and a new generation to potentially capture some brand loyalty from.
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Old 01-30-2014, 08:02 AM   #9
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screw tivo.... Stream will never get android support.

I am selling my unopened one while I can...
Can I have it?
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Old 01-30-2014, 03:06 PM   #10
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The entire concept was poorly thought out and executed. They should have build a device that streams to any browser and capitalize on the market of ANYONE UNDER 20 that only watch TV online on computers or tablets. By selecting a technology that was tied to iOS, they neglected defining a larger market and a new generation to potentially capture some brand loyalty from.
There wasn't and still isn't a single end-to-end technology solution that can stream to all browsers (smartphone/tablet mobiles and desktop). And I'm not talking about TiVo specifically, but the whole of the browser and video streaming landscape. You can use Microsoft Smooth Streaming, or Apple's HLS, or MPEG-DASH, or a variety of even less standardized methods, but NONE of them work universally amongst the most popular browsers right now in January of 2014, let alone when the product was being designed. At least by starting with HLS on iOS, they were able to (relatively) quickly launch into a large, and largely unfragmented market. While Android now has a larger share, the OS/device fragmentation it also has means that making a solution work across a majority of the platform is a much more costly thing to do.
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Old 01-30-2014, 03:18 PM   #11
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And don't forget that whatever method they used for streaming had to be encrypted and had to be approved by CableLabs. By using an open source protocol with an established encryption method that process was likely a lot easier.
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Old 07-22-2014, 08:49 AM   #12
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**BUMP**

I have a sweet-a55 Nexus 7 tablet that needs TiVo Stream love. What gives? I mean, I can go out and buy an iPad Mini 3 in October when the new one drops, but I'd rather not.
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Old 07-22-2014, 09:32 AM   #13
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This thread should be deleted or closed. Very misleading title and old.

There are other threads out there with better info about streaming for Android.
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**BUMP**

I have a sweet-a55 Nexus 7 tablet that needs TiVo Stream love. What gives? I mean, I can go out and buy an iPad Mini 3 in October when the new one drops, but I'd rather not.
We wish we knew. The only info we have at this point is an RCN employee saying Android streaming is coming soon in a post from a few weeks ago.

It's taken WAY longer then I ever expected for them to get it released.
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Old 07-22-2014, 04:24 PM   #15
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This thread should be deleted or closed. Very misleading title and old.

There are other threads out there with better info about streaming for Android.
Why? Here we are, six months later and Stream still doesn't support Android. It's obvious that Tivo takes it's cable partners considerations over it's retail customers considerations.
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Old 07-22-2014, 05:11 PM   #16
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It's taken WAY longer then I ever expected for them to get it released.
They could have started from nothing from when this thread already called it dead and released a very robust product by now. I've delivered a lot more complex in a lot less time.

This is a terrible joke of business planning, lying to customers or completely off the rails development process. Really inexcusable.
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Old 07-22-2014, 07:47 PM   #17
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The stream will have been out for two years soon. That is a long time to go without Andorid support.
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I agree. Originally I defended their choice to only release for iOS, but after nearly two years they still don't have Android support and that's just ridiculous.
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Old 07-24-2014, 04:22 AM   #19
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I called on this very subject recently. The Android app is getting closer, no date. Rumor is it will have features the iOS app doesn't have; not specified. I'm thinking maybe Chromecast support.
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Old 07-24-2014, 07:36 AM   #20
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It's pretty obvious to me that this was never about whether they could do it on 4.x Android devices, it was all about keeping the lawyers happy.

Sadly this is an everyday Tivo issue with the lack of viable competitors (w/Cablecards).
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Was there a CableLabs rule about removable storage?

Many androids have to store to micro-SD card.
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Was there a CableLabs rule about removable storage?

Many androids have to store to micro-SD card.
My android phone doesn't even have a micro-SD card slot. It only has internal storage. The one thing I dislike about it.
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Was there a CableLabs rule about removable storage?

Many androids have to store to micro-SD card.
There are no CableLabs rules about this at all. The only reason TiVo can do it is because the cable companies set a precedent with their own devices first. That's why you can only download shows which are "copy freely" and you can only stream protected content inside the home. TiVo is walking a very fine line when it comes to legality with the Stream which is why they are probably being so cautious about it.
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There are no CableLabs rules about this at all. The only reason TiVo can do it is because the cable companies set a precedent with their own devices first. That's why you can only download shows which are "copy freely" and you can only stream protected content inside the home. TiVo is walking a very fine line when it comes to legality with the Stream which is why they are probably being so cautious about it.
Meanwhile Echostar/Dish sells Slingboxes and sat receivers with built-in sling features. So you can't blame the content owners on this one.
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Yep, and Sling has an Android app too. And a small company like SiliconDust rolls out an Android app that supports protected content streaming directly from their tuners. Meanwhile Tivo rolls out nothing.

http://www.silicondust.com/forum2/vi...p?f=78&t=16528
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Yep, and Sling has an Android app too. And a small company like SiliconDust rolls out an Android app that supports protected content streaming directly from their tuners. Meanwhile Tivo rolls out nothing.

http://www.silicondust.com/forum2/vi...p?f=78&t=16528
I see that protected channels can be streamed also with this app.

After everything is said and done. It becomes pretty obvious that Tivo would rather not do anything to upset it's current and future cableco partners and won't provide certain features to it's retail customers to accomplish this.

I hope that by now, all android users would have given up on the Tivo Stream ever working for them and moved on to Slingbox.
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Personally I'm hoping they roll out updated apps to use higher resolutions and to be able to not use the proxy for OOH streaming. I mean my iPhone has a screen resolution of 1136x640 and even with the best wireless network connection the best the Stream sends to it is 960x540, and my iPad Mini Retina has a screen resolution of 2048×1536 and even with the best wireless network connection the best the Stream sends to it is 1280x720 which isn't bad at all but still not utilizing the full potential the Stream is capable of.
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Which again is an indication that they are covering their ass by using a proxy server (i.e. degrading content delivery), instead of standing up for their customers and allowing direct streaming/download OOH. The problem here, as always, is that Tivo is trying to straddle both sides of the fence. Sling doesn't have these issues because they're not in bed with the cableCos.
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Yep, and Sling has an Android app too. And a small company like SiliconDust rolls out an Android app that supports protected content streaming directly from their tuners. Meanwhile Tivo rolls out nothing.

http://www.silicondust.com/forum2/vi...p?f=78&t=16528
It is obvious it is not because Tivo can't develop an Android app, it is because they don't want to.

Get over it.
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It is obvious it is not because Tivo can't develop an Android app, it is because they don't want to.

Get over it.
I guess that Tivo can get over those missing sales. Tivo is so profitable, who needs sales to Android users?
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