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Old 01-30-2014, 07:52 AM   #121
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But it's not impossible to imagine a scenario where Fox and Marvel, or Marvel and Sony, come to an agreement on a joint movie. If the money is good enough, they'd do it.
Not impossible, but never gonna happen.

The problem is, by making an Avengers/X-Men movie, they make a bajillion bucks and split it 50-50. By making an Avengers movie, they make a bajillion bucks and keep it all.

I just don't see a joint movie being more than twice as profitable, which is really what it would take to entice them into a deal.
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Old 01-30-2014, 12:29 PM   #122
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Not impossible, but never gonna happen.

The problem is, by making an Avengers/X-Men movie, they make a bajillion bucks and split it 50-50. By making an Avengers movie, they make a bajillion bucks and keep it all.

I just don't see a joint movie being more than twice as profitable, which is really what it would take to entice them into a deal.
The one scenario in which I could see a joint project happening is one in which Marvel was buying back rights to properties currently held by Sony or 20th Century Fox, and the joint project was a part of the transition agreement. That would give the selling studio a share of one last payday.
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Everybody thought this would never happen, either...



Every so often, the stars align just right, and miracles happen.
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Old 01-30-2014, 12:42 PM   #124
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The one scenario in which I could see a joint project happening is one in which Marvel was buying back rights to properties currently held by Sony or 20th Century Fox, and the joint project was a part of the transition agreement. That would give the selling studio a share of one last payday.
Except I doubt Sony or Fox would ever sell. Why would they? These are HUGE properties, and the price for keeping them forever is quite small. I don't think Disney could afford to buy them back.
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That wasn't a miracle; that was an obvious, no-lose scenario. The only "miracle" was that there were people at both companies who were willing to put aside their differences and take advantage of the obvious, no-lose scenario. E.g., as long as Joe Quesada matters at Marvel, DC will never co-publish...because they hate Quesada with a fiery passion (not entirely without cause, but still, they're willing to leave a little money on the table to spite him).

The movie world is very different, where the potential profits from an X-Men movie are probably more than Marvel has made on X-Men comics in 50 years. Fox ain't gonna give up half of that.
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I just don't see a joint movie being more than twice as profitable, which is really what it would take to entice them into a deal.
No, that logic is flawed. If they were truly 50% partners, then they would share in the costs as well as any profits. So, while each partner would only get 50% of the profits, they would also only need to invest 50% as much to produce the movie. Which is the same as just producing a lower budget movie (lower costs, lower projected profits).
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Except I doubt Sony or Fox would ever sell. Why would they? These are HUGE properties, and the price for keeping them forever is quite small. I don't think Disney could afford to buy them back.

That wasn't a miracle; that was an obvious, no-lose scenario. The only "miracle" was that there were people at both companies who were willing to put aside their differences and take advantage of the obvious, no-lose scenario. E.g., as long as Joe Quesada matters at Marvel, DC will never co-publish...because they hate Quesada with a fiery passion (not entirely without cause, but still, they're willing to leave a little money on the table to spite him).

The movie world is very different, where the potential profits from an X-Men movie are probably more than Marvel has made on X-Men comics in 50 years. Fox ain't gonna give up half of that.
How about JLA/Avengers then? Was never supposed to see the light of day, but I have a hardbound copy of it on my bookshelf.
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Old 01-30-2014, 02:00 PM   #127
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How about JLA/Avengers then? Was never supposed to see the light of day, but I have a hardbound copy of it on my bookshelf.
Same thing. There was a very narrow window of opportunity (between when Quesada took over Marvel, and when he started routinely bad-mouthing DC) when both companies were willing to go for it.

Which is why it took twenty years.

And again, this is comics, where the outlay is small and the potential profits are even smaller. Not movies, where the outlay is big and the potential profits are bigger than some GNPs, and every inch of it has to be negotiated and then verified against the efforts of the most creative accountants on Earth (didja know the Lord of the Rings movies never "turned a profit"?).
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Every so often, the stars align just right, and miracles happen.
After reading that, a lot of people wished it never happened.
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Didn't Quesada go out to form Valiant for a while? What happened to Image?
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Didn't Quesada go out to form Valiant for a while?
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Old 01-30-2014, 04:21 PM   #131
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Same thing. There was a very narrow window of opportunity (between when Quesada took over Marvel, and when he started routinely bad-mouthing DC) when both companies were willing to go for it.

Which is why it took twenty years.

And again, this is comics, where the outlay is small and the potential profits are even smaller. Not movies, where the outlay is big and the potential profits are bigger than some GNPs, and every inch of it has to be negotiated and then verified against the efforts of the most creative accountants on Earth (didja know the Lord of the Rings movies never "turned a profit"?).
Actually, I did. With accountants that creative, you'd think they could find a way. If you are going to lose money anyway.....
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IF a team up gets made, the decision is going to be made much higher up the ladder than the respective heads of Marvel and DC. Marvel answers to Disney these days, and DC answers to Time-Warner. And if Disney and Time-Warner thinks there's money to be made, they'll make a deal. When it comes to something like a major film franchise investment, the tail doesn't wag the dog.
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Old 01-31-2014, 04:45 PM   #133
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IF a team up gets made, the decision is going to be made much higher up the ladder than the respective heads of Marvel and DC. Marvel answers to Disney these days, and DC answers to Time-Warner. And if Disney and Time-Warner thinks there's money to be made, they'll make a deal. When it comes to something like a major film franchise investment, the tail doesn't wag the dog.
Well, we're talking about two different kinds of team-ups. The Marvel-DC team-ups are comic books; the movie team-ups are all Marvel characters, but ones whose rights are held by different studios (Fox=X-Men & Fantastic Four; Sony=Spider-Man; Marvel Studios=everybody else). So for an X-Men/Avengers movie to happen, it's the people at Marvel Studios and Fox who would have to get together, agree on how the production will happen and who will pay for what, fight over every dime of it, and how the profits will be divvied up, and fight over every dime of that. Or just go ahead and make their separate Avengers and X-Men movies, and rake in the millions unencumbered.

I see absolutely no chance of a Marvel-DC movie happening. Ever. That would be the very definition of brand dilution, on both sides.
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I see absolutely no chance of a Marvel-DC movie happening. Ever. That would be the very definition of brand dilution, on both sides.
Never say never.

Who'd have thought (back in the 90's) that Mario and Sonic would be in a single game together, let alone a series of games?

Who'd of thought there would ever be a Disney animated movie with both Mickey Mouse and Bugs Bunny in it, let alone in the same scene interacting with each other?
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Never say never.
I would never in a million years say "never."

Except when it comes to DC and Marvel characters co-featured in the same movie.

And saying "never."


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Old 02-01-2014, 09:10 AM   #136
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I would never in a million years say "never."

Except when it comes to DC and Marvel characters co-featured in the same movie.

And saying "never."

I thought I might get you with The Lego Movie, but it looks like that one only has DC characters in it. It does have Star Wars characters in it, too, which are owned by Disney, which owns Marvel -- does that count?
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Old 02-01-2014, 09:30 AM   #137
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I thought I might get you with The Lego Movie, but it looks like that one only has DC characters in it. It does have Star Wars characters in it, too, which are owned by Disney, which owns Marvel -- does that count?
Heh.

I carefully said "co-featured," by which I meant a Superman/Spider-Man movie, not a Superman movie in which Spider-Man has a guest appearance or vice-versa (which I still don't think will ever happen, but I'll never say "never" to that).
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I would never in a million years say "never."

Except when it comes to DC and Marvel characters co-featured in the same movie.

And saying "never."

I think my head just exploded.
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I would never in a million years say "never."

Except when it comes to DC and Marvel characters co-featured in the same movie.

And saying "never."

I would never say never either. I also doubt that skeptics actually exist

Back on the original topic, without Clark Gregg I would have stopped watching this show a long time ago. But I'm still watching for now.
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Old 02-05-2014, 05:13 AM   #140
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Back on the original topic, without Clark Gregg I would have stopped watching this show a long time ago. But I'm still watching for now.
And he's really stepped up his game lately. This week, he almost seemed like somebody who could carry a show!
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I just wish this past episode had been called "The Train Job"...
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I just wish this past episode had been called "The Train Job"...
Then they would have shown it as the pilot, right?
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I just wish this past episode had been called "The Train Job"...
Then they would have shown it as the pilot, right?

It still would have be a hilarious in-joke to have little re-instroductions to each member (so it seemed like a pilot)

Then towards the end when they catch up with the stopped train repel down from the hovering 'bus'.
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