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Old 01-19-2014, 02:24 PM   #61
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They said it was north of 83°. There is no land north of 83°. The northern most point of land in the world is Kaffeklubben Island at 83°40'N.
That said, it's clearly on land, since the sea ice melts annually.

Maybe Greenland is further north on the Earth where this is set?
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Old 01-19-2014, 02:43 PM   #62
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That said, it's clearly on land, since the sea ice melts annually.

Maybe Greenland is further north on the Earth where this is set?
Clearly, I had a senior moment since 83°40'N is obviously north of 83°. However, I doubt very seriously if any land contiguous to national holdings is outside the control of that nation just because it is north of 83°.
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Old 01-19-2014, 09:24 PM   #63
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I don't think I dissected the show, I just found it stupid as I watched. It was instantly obvious why the infected guy took the hand, yet the characters on the show were oblivious to it.
It didn't even occur to me. I guess I wasn't paying that close attention to it. Maybe I was more bothered by why a high tech biological research facility seems to have a huge unrestricted duct system that connects to every room.

This does demonstrate why biometrics (or embedded rfid tags) alone are a bad idea. They should always be paired with an access code.

Despite the flaws, I am really enjoying this series. I do have to wonder if they can keep it going for more than a season. BSG was excellent for the first season too, then it fell apart.
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Old 01-20-2014, 06:18 AM   #64
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Clearly, I had a senior moment since 83°40'N is obviously north of 83°. However, I doubt very seriously if any land contiguous to national holdings is outside the control of that nation just because it is north of 83°.
While I'm in complete agreement with you about this show, I will say that an issue like that wouldn't ever register with me if all other aspects of this show were reasonable.

I didn't watch the movie Alien and question the fact that they couldn't possibly have had gravity on that ship.

The problem here, for me anyways, is this show is death by a thousand paper cuts. It's one thing after another, in rapid succession, to the point that my head explodes and I give up.

It's nothing more than a character driven soap opera masquerading as a Hi Tech Sci/Fi thriller. They just missed the boat on all the Hi Tech and the Sci. And that ruins the thriller part for me.
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Old 01-20-2014, 07:20 AM   #65
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I don't think I dissected the show, I just found it stupid as I watched. It was instantly obvious why the infected guy took the hand, yet the characters on the show were oblivious to it.
I enjoyed this show by imagining I was Gibbs from NCIS, and every time someone said or did something stupid I gave them a slap to the back of the head. It was a very rewarding mental exercise, but I would have probably broken my hand by the end of the pilot.
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Old 01-20-2014, 12:23 PM   #66
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Absolutely done with this one. Set up a season pass and grabbed the first two episodes, but after we watched decided its just another badly-written SciFi channel cheapo show trying to grab an audience ... I saw the Thing, Andromeda Strain and a couple other films badly "quoted" here - I won't watch again ...

Every time I give another show on SciFi channel a chance, I am disappointed, and realize there is just a lot of crap on the SciFi channel! Whew ...



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While I'm in complete agreement with you about this show, I will say that an issue like that wouldn't ever register with me if all other aspects of this show were reasonable.

I didn't watch the movie Alien and question the fact that they couldn't possibly have had gravity on that ship.

The problem here, for me anyways, is this show is death by a thousand paper cuts. It's one thing after another, in rapid succession, to the point that my head explodes and I give up.

It's nothing more than a character driven soap opera masquerading as a Hi Tech Sci/Fi thriller. They just missed the boat on all the Hi Tech and the Sci. And that ruins the thriller part for me.

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Old 01-21-2014, 02:26 PM   #67
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It's a sign of bad/lazy writing when, in order to advance the plot, you have to make all of these supposedly super intelligent characters galactically stupid!

In addition to the other things already mentioned, there were a couple of other things that irked me.

I was in the Air Force and the closest I got to a combat zone was Thailand in '72 and I had to re-qualify on the M-16 every year. This guy was in the Army and stationed in Afghanistan and supposedly hadn't fired a weapon since basic? Yeah, I know he was lying to maintain his cover but geez-louise. Make the lie at least plausible.
I'm still only about 30 minutes in, and was skimming the thread to see if I should bother finishing. (And don't think it's going to be for me)

But yeah, that weapons things struck me as dumb. How it is any less bland to respond "only on the training range" rather than "not since basic"?

It still gets across that you're saying you're not using guns in combat, but isn't as blatently wrong.
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It's nothing more than a character driven soap opera masquerading as a Hi Tech Sci/Fi thriller. They just missed the boat on all the Hi Tech and the Sci. And that ruins the thriller part for me.
I can forgive a Sci-Fi shows technical deficits if it have good character development, many favorite Sci-fi series have been niggled to death and I still enjoy them. Thus far I have no reason to care for anyone in Helix thus it will be relegated to 'burn thru' status. I'll record the season and if it gets renewed I'll watch the series all at once.
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A few episodes in, my opinion of Helix is that it is better than most SyFy but nowhere near the level of even the worst BSG episode. I still would rather watch it than SHIELD, which makes me think maybe I should just cancel my season pass to SHIELD.
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A few episodes in, my opinion of Helix is that it is better than most SyFy but nowhere near the level of even the worst BSG episode. I still would rather watch it than SHIELD, which makes me think maybe I should just cancel my season pass to SHIELD.
I assume you mean S.H.I.E.L.D.?
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I can forgive a Sci-Fi shows technical deficits if it have good character development, many favorite Sci-fi series have been niggled to death and I still enjoy them. Thus far I have no reason to care for anyone in Helix thus it will be relegated to 'burn thru' status. I'll record the season and if it gets renewed I'll watch the series all at once.
Unlike BSG, Helix the character development is poor. And it's hard to believe that several seasoned CDC top level doctors would withhold critical information from each other in a really threatening situation. I know, it's a TV show. Still it's annoying.

This is the kind of show where the fast forward control helps in getting through the slow developing scenes, something you'd NEVER do while watching really good shows with great character & dialog, q.v. Justified, et. al. I'd expected better.
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I can forgive a Sci-Fi shows technical deficits if it have good character development, many favorite Sci-fi series have been niggled to death and I still enjoy them. Thus far I have no reason to care for anyone in Helix thus it will be relegated to 'burn thru' status. I'll record the season and if it gets renewed I'll watch the series all at once.
I can too, up to a point anyways. This show just exceeded my threshold very quickly. Much faster than Revolution, I got through 5 episodes of that before my head exploded.
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Old 01-22-2014, 11:49 AM   #73
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I'm sticking with Helix for now. It's annoying how unscientifically these supposedly 'top' scientists are acting, but if they strictly went 'by the book' it wouldn't be much fun.
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Unlike BSG, Helix the character development is poor. And it's hard to believe that several seasoned CDC top level doctors would withhold critical information from each other in a really threatening situation. I know, it's a TV show. Still it's annoying.

This is the kind of show where the fast forward control helps in getting through the slow developing scenes, something you'd NEVER do while watching really good shows with great character & dialog, q.v. Justified, et. al. I'd expected better.
Yeah I can't FF in new shows. I always end up asking questions that have already been answered.

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I can too, up to a point anyways. This show just exceeded my threshold very quickly. Much faster than Revolution, I got through 5 episodes of that before my head exploded.
Right now I care about the monkey mystery more than the CDC peeps.
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A few episodes in, my opinion of Helix is that it is better than most SyFy but nowhere near the level of even the worst BSG episode.
I kinda sorta agree with you. But BG pissed me off because it SHOULD have been better, whereas I have no real expectation that Helix is one good writer away from greatness, so I let it roll off me more.

Better shows can be less enjoyable under the right (wrong) circumstances.
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I kinda sorta agree with you. But BG pissed me off because it SHOULD have been better, whereas I have no real expectation that Helix is one good writer away from greatness, so I let it roll off me more.

Better shows can be less enjoyable under the right (wrong) circumstances.
Yeah... perhaps that's why I am so hard on Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (happy, Bierboy?) -- it should be so much better than it is.
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Yeah I can't FF in new shows. I always end up asking questions that have already been answered.

philw: That's why they invented forums like this! To answer those casual viewer questions for us.

Right now I care about the monkey mystery more than the CDC peeps.
I'm with you there.
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Yeah... perhaps that's why I am so hard on Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (happy, Bierboy?) ....
Ecstatic!.....when I first saw your post, all I could think of was Vic Mackey...
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Old 01-25-2014, 06:27 PM   #79
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I just watched episode 4 and
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I want to throw my shoe at this show. So now Dr. Beautiful has a secret tumor and a secret infected patient and she shot herself up with morphine. And somehow Dr. Ex-Wife carved her initials in a wall apparently years ago. Then Dr. Hitake (or whatever this show's Capt. Adama clone's name is) convinces three mutineers to not kill everybody and then he shoots them. Arrrgh. I want to like this show. Heck, I want every science fiction show to be successful but come on Helix, be plausible.

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I just watched episode 4 and
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I want to throw my shoe at this show. So now Dr. Beautiful has a secret tumor and a secret infected patient and she shot herself up with morphine. And somehow Dr. Ex-Wife carved her initials in a wall apparently years ago. Then Dr. Hitake (or whatever this show's Capt. Adama clone's name is) convinces three mutineers to not kill everybody and then he shoots them. Arrrgh. I want to like this show. Heck, I want every science fiction show to be successful but come on Helix, be plausible.
I watched about half of it and I couldn't take it any more. I wanted sooo much for this to be a good show but I couldn't stay with it any longer.
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I watched about half of it and I couldn't take it any more.
and it started with such promise...oh, well...
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But don't they have a plan?
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But don't they have a plan?
Yes, but it's going to require the monkey to build a Bat signal.

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There probably is a plan. I just don't like its execution.
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Well, I made it through 3 1/2 episodes. Just couldn't make it through all of the last one though.
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Helix premieres on SyFy tomorrow ...

Yeah I'm about to pull the plug too after watching the latest ep. I'm giving it one more chance...
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I am pushing to finish this week's episode. But I think that will be it for me.
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When I care more about what happened to the frozen monkeys than any of the protagonists, the show is bad, BAD. And that's w/o any of the ongoing sci-tech absurdities and the swiss cheese all over the map plot. I should have learned my lesson from BSG, but no. I'm likely bailing in one more episode before some dead person comes back as an "angel" or some plot twist that negates the entire preceding show arises for "creative artistic value". It's ludicrous like the excellently cast, yet sadly execrable "The Following"
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I thought there were some glimmers of hope, and I'm still happy that Javier Grillo-Marxuach is now involved. Yes, it's a bad show, but it could still become good...all the elements are there. They just haven't pulled them together yet, and tossed out the ones that aren't working.

OK, big order. But still, in the words of the lottery billboards, "It could happen." With maybe the same odds.

Here's a more optimistic view than we've shown here, from io9. "This show is absolutely terrible every time it tries to "do science," and is great every time it veers into capturing its characters points of view." I wouldn't go so far as to say "great," but she has a point. This is science fiction that's at its weakest when it does science.
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