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Old 12-12-2013, 06:59 AM   #181
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Technically the floor had a gun, not Jax
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Old 12-12-2013, 07:27 AM   #182
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Happy Tara is gone. Don't like Maggie Siff. Didn't like her on the after show either. When I was watching Sutter explain that he had planned a long time ago to kill of Tara in season 6 I kept thinking it was Otto.
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Old 12-12-2013, 07:53 AM   #183
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Technically the floor had a gun, not Jax
I was going to point that out too. The gun was not in Jax's possession when the DA arrived. It wasn't even laying on the floor near him.
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Old 12-12-2013, 07:57 AM   #184
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I was going to point that out too. The gun was not in Jax's possession when the DA arrived. It wasn't even laying on the floor near him.
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Old 12-12-2013, 08:02 AM   #185
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Regarding what Katey had to say about Gemma on the after show

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Old 12-12-2013, 08:05 AM   #186
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Except at that point Tara was on the run; Gemma had no way of knowing she would come back.
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Old 12-12-2013, 08:10 AM   #187
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Gemma did seem surprised to see Tara.
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Old 12-12-2013, 08:27 AM   #188
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So why did Gemma go to the house if she didn't think she'd find Tara there?
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Old 12-12-2013, 08:28 AM   #189
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Gemma made a comment earlier in the show about how terrible Tara was at cleaning, so it IS possible that, even in her drug and alcohol muddled state, that she was there to clean.
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Old 12-12-2013, 09:04 AM   #190
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Yeah, she's always spent a lot of time there. I suspect in the absence of Nero, she was just looking for something to do in a place that wouldn't remind her of him.
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Old 12-12-2013, 09:21 AM   #191
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The writing on this was just so bad. They are mailing it in at this point. Not as bad as Dexter, but getting there.
Agreed. And the previous episodes were so good. It's like Sutter had the episodes all mapped out and then realized he needed another one to fill out the season. Don't get me wrong, I love that Tara is gone and it was almost worth dredging through this episode to see her get it.

I think that ultimately Jax will be in the clear, but there will be 3 - 4 episodes where the DA threatens him and then he'll almost cave in and take a plea but then the lab tests will come back and show that he didn't fire a gun and that his gun didn't kill Roosevelt. Lots of drama. Oh wait, does that sounds familiar?

When I think back to the first season and then think of this one, I'm struck by how much the series has changed.
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Old 12-12-2013, 09:29 AM   #192
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Let's hope they don't waste any time in the final season with a "will Jax go to jail or not". Have it resolved from the first ep and get on with the Jax vs. Nero fun and games.
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Old 12-12-2013, 10:20 AM   #193
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When Sutter says "Put a fork in it, we are done" he is serious.
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Old 12-12-2013, 10:56 AM   #194
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Gemma obviously isn't an MMA fan because Tara was tapping out before the fork
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Old 12-12-2013, 12:56 PM   #195
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Seeing the after show I just realized that Otto is played by Sutter.
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Old 12-12-2013, 01:25 PM   #196
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Seeing the after show I just realized that Otto is played by Sutter.
from an interview after last season:

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Old 12-12-2013, 02:31 PM   #197
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I was getting tired of deals being made and then something drastic happening and that deal being broken only to set a new deal in motion only to be broken. That plot device seemed to get used and abused in this series (not just this season).
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Old 12-12-2013, 02:42 PM   #198
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Reminds me of "swerves" in Pro Wrestling.
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Old 12-13-2013, 06:23 AM   #199
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That's how they get 22 episodes out of 10 weeks of good material.
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Old 12-13-2013, 06:43 AM   #200
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That's how they get 22 episodes out of 10 weeks of good material.
I'm not sure what that means in the context of a show with 13-episodes seasons...
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Old 12-13-2013, 07:05 AM   #201
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I'm not sure what that means in the context of a show with 13-episodes seasons...
13 random length episodes
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Old 12-13-2013, 08:15 AM   #202
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I'm not sure what that means in the context of a show with 13-episodes seasons...
I wasn't strictly talking about SoA.
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I'm not sure what that means in the context of a show with 13-episodes seasons...
Lol the math doesn't quite work but the point is pretty valid anyways
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Old 12-13-2013, 09:31 PM   #204
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So sad. I liked Tara.
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Old 12-14-2013, 11:29 AM   #205
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Regarding what Katey had to say about Gemma on the after show

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I think she's full of it when she kept saying Gemma didn't go there to kill Tara and that Gemma didn't know she'd even see Tara there. Why else would Gemma go there if not to find and confront Tara? And given how the two have been going after each other, Gemma had to know it would get physical. Maybe Katey has to tell herself that her character isn't a premeditated murderer to be able to play her, but again, I call b/s.
Gemma thought Tara had cut a deal and gone in witsec.

She went to Jax's house hoping to see Jax before he surrendered.
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Old 12-14-2013, 12:04 PM   #206
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Gemma thought Tara had cut a deal and gone in witsec.

She went to Jax's house hoping to see Jax before he surrendered.
But if she knew Jax was surrendering she'd know the deal that he cut.
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Crazy thought. Wouldn't the first thing she would have done upon getting the news from Wayne would be to call her son?

The thing is that the scene itself with her and Tara was awesome and you could get to that scene in a way that makes total sense and provides good drama. But instead Sutter stayed with his same lazy and implausible plot devices.

Oh and while I'm on a rant I'm also really kind of sick of the same tired thing they do at the end of the season with the music and the montage of all the characters and the heartwarming shot of chucky at the bar lol. Sometimes I wonder if Sutter was a big Waltons fan as a kid
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Old 12-14-2013, 04:43 PM   #208
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So does Jax's surrender still go through? Does he wind up in prison for the gun deal, or does that get forgotten?

I don't think there's anyway Jax gets in trouble for Tara's death, but I do think the homeless lady might pay off next season, if she rats out Juice.
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Old 12-14-2013, 04:53 PM   #209
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So does Jax's surrender still go through? Does he wind up in prison for the gun deal, or does that get forgotten?
Well, there wouldn't be much point in him going through with it now, would there? What would he have to gain, without getting freedom for Tara?
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Too bad Juice didn't kill Gemma, and himself.
This. Tired of both of them. Her blowup with Smits was stupid but he is better off without her drama.

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Prison transport guy killed. Roosevelt killed. Roosevelt's wife killed. Local and regional law enforcement should want to mow SAMCRO down.
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So sad. I liked Tara.
I was mixed about her. She was right to get their sons out but should have done so way back when Jax encouraged it. Her procrastination unnerved me so I wasn't that sad to see her go. I'm still concerned about the kiddos.
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