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Old 11-18-2013, 01:32 AM   #1
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60 Minutes 11/17/13: Gitmo, billionaires pledging at least 1/2 their $ to chariity

Anyone watch?

I skipped the last piece on instruments made of or trash in Paraguay.
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Old 11-18-2013, 02:38 AM   #2
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I just watched it.

The Gitmo piece left me conflicted. I have no doubt that most of the prisoners are enemies of the US but at the same time, is it just to hold them indefinitely without trial?

The last story was actually somewhat interesting despite it being a typical feel-good puff piece. They said that a regular musical instrument costs as much as a house in that part of the country and would surely get stolen. But yet at the end of the piece, they show the kids getting a bunch of new instruments. I hope the school has good security.
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Old 11-18-2013, 02:46 AM   #3
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The Gitmo piece left me conflicted. I have no doubt that most of the prisoners are enemies of the US but at the same time, is it just to hold them indefinitely without trial?
I know what you mean. I've seen a number of pieces on Gitmo before, including http://channel.nationalgeographic.co...de-guantanamo/ long ago, which is available for streaming on Netflix.

I apparently posted aboout it at http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...d.php?t=423894.

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Old 11-18-2013, 01:19 PM   #4
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I just watched it.

The Gitmo piece left me conflicted. I have no doubt that most of the prisoners are enemies of the US but at the same time, is it just to hold them indefinitely without trial?.
Since O came in and pledged to close Gitmo he has found that to do that you have to figure out what to do with these people. No country wants to take them so closing Gitmo isn't so easy.
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Old 11-18-2013, 02:28 PM   #5
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the longer gitmo is open, the more dangerous it becomes as a propaganda tool for extremists, and the self-inflicted paradox we find ourselves in - they can't be tried due to interrogation methods used to extract evidence.

at this point, i'm not as concerned with how, it just needs to be closed. i can't fathom keeping the remaining prisoners locked up until they die of old age, never having seen a court room.
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Old 11-18-2013, 02:30 PM   #6
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Since O came in and pledged to close Gitmo he has found that to do that you have to figure out what to do with these people. No country wants to take them so closing Gitmo isn't so easy.
I don't have a problem with keeping them locked up but it seems to me that they at least deserve some type of trial. Even the Nazi's had their day in court before being hanged.
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Old 11-18-2013, 03:14 PM   #7
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I don't have a problem with keeping them locked up but it seems to me that they at least deserve some type of trial.
Therein lies the rub (see previous post). What type of trial? What rules of evidence? We've backed ourselves into a corner without a way out..

I guess your point is we need to just pick one of the bad options and go with it...
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Old 11-18-2013, 10:33 PM   #8
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Always listen to the free audio podcast nowadays.. I get the vast majority of the info in ~22 minutes (2x, without commercials). Sometimes I skim through the Tivoed backup recording, but not often.. I think I basically FFed through even the Lambourghini segment, thinking I might watch it, but didn't.. (listened to the audio as I said though)
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Old 11-19-2013, 08:47 AM   #9
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On Gitmo - That whole situation is a mess. Are they military POWs? Then they should be following the Geneva Convention. Are they criminals? Then they should be charged and tried. It just seems un-American to hold someone against their will unless they are charged with a crime. As much as I want to see these people fry, it just doesn't sit well with me. If another country did the same to an American citizen, we'd be screaming and protesting.

The problem now is if you charged and tried them and they were given a fair trial, I think you'd have to acquit almost all of them since they were not given due process.

On the billionaires - I was really curious who turned them down? I knew they wouldn't say, but I'm still curious I also think they kind of side stepped the question about them having too much power to decide "what is the right thing to do" because of their money. Their acts are noble, but they and we have to be careful that there are no real strings attached.

On the Paraguay story - nice human interest story, but sorry, I just didn't care.
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Since O came in and pledged to close Gitmo he has found that to do that you have to figure out what to do with these people. No country wants to take them so closing Gitmo isn't so easy.
Isn't it more of a question of what WE do with them if we close Gitmo? When Obama said he wanted to close Gitmo, I remember all the "Not on our soil" protests. People don't want them in prisons in the 50 states. I say if nobody wants to take them, release them on a ship and let them figure out where to go from there. You're free, and you're in international waters. Go find a country to take you.
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