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Old 11-12-2013, 11:47 PM   #61
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I really want this to work, but somehow I don't think it will ever work as well as this Slingbox from what I have gathered from reading all the issues on this forum.
If/when the OOH download problem is resolved then it will have advantages over Slingbox solution since the controls are instant vs Slingbox can get a long delay.
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Old 11-13-2013, 07:29 AM   #62
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If/when the OOH download problem is resolved then it will have advantages over Slingbox solution since the controls are instant vs Slingbox can get a long delay.
Ok, but with the same equal internet connection, which shows a better picture in Auto Stream mode on an iPad Retina - Slingbox or Stream?

I have 14 days left to return my Stream.

I sure hope they push the update out soon to me.
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Old 11-13-2013, 09:35 AM   #63
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If your TiVo Stream was not in this first batch, it should be updated within a couple of weeks.
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I don't have any way to push the Stream update to more people, but I will post here as soon another group has been updated.
I am implying that one "group" was pushed the update on 11/6, and as of 11/11, there was not another "group" that was sent the update. Two days later (as of this post), no other post from Margret, and no posts from forum users having received the update.

Was there an issue with the first push? Was there an issue identified in the update? Why the delay?

It is frustrating that TiVo continues to be unprepared.
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Old 11-13-2013, 09:47 AM   #64
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11/11/13

I am implying that one "group" was pushed the update on 11/6, and as of 11/11, there was not another "group" that was sent the update. Two days later (as of this post), no other post from Margret, and no posts from forum users having received the update.

Was there an issue with the first push? Was there an issue identified in the update? Why the delay?

It is frustrating that TiVo continues to be unprepared.
There has been a major issue of downloads not working.
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Old 11-13-2013, 10:36 AM   #65
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Ok, but with the same equal internet connection, which shows a better picture in Auto Stream mode on an iPad Retina - Slingbox or Stream?

I have 14 days left to return my Stream.

I sure hope they push the update out soon to me.
I'd return the Stream because there is no guarantee that the rollout will be completed within the next two weeks. As Margret mentioned in her post "If your TiVo Stream was not in this first batch, it should be updated within a couple of weeks."

Software from TiVo and other companies (Apple, Roku,Google) are done in waves over days or weeks. When problems are found with the software in earlier waves upcoming waves are put on hold until the problem is solved.

Even if things go well the software rollout is never immediate. The *problem* is that the people (techie guys) who read this forum want access to updates immediately. They will start asking for an update release date 6 months in advance!

Then if they don't get the software on the EXACT day they were promised they complain. Then when they get the software update they complain if it's not 100% bug free. Which it won't be because all software has bugs.

Honestly I've no idea why Margret even bothers with this group as it's a lose lose situation for her. Unfortunately all the constant complainers one day will ruin it for all of us when she just stops bothering to tell us in advance about updates and letting us jump to the front of the line.

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Old 11-13-2013, 11:00 AM   #67
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I'm sorry, but nowhere on the TiVo website is it mentioned that this service is only partially available.

Everything in their website indicates that OOH streaming is available.

http://support.tivo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/2405
http://support.tivo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/2762/
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Old 11-13-2013, 01:22 PM   #68
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Software from TiVo and other companies (Apple, Roku,Google) are done in waves over days or weeks. When problems are found with the software in earlier waves upcoming waves are put on hold until the problem is solved.
I can't think of any case in recent history where Apple has rolled out an update. Sometimes it takes a few hours to propagate to all the regional mirrors or something, but when an update is available it goes to everyone at once.
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Old 11-13-2013, 02:00 PM   #69
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I can't think of any case in recent history where Apple has rolled out an update. Sometimes it takes a few hours to propagate to all the regional mirrors or something, but when an update is available it goes to everyone at once.
Yea, i agree, however I think Roku recently rolled out their UI update in waves. Originally available on the Roku 3 .. and then slowly out to the older devices.

I'm not sure what all the fuss is about anyway. It will be available when its available. The thought of folks asking if they should return product because the feature is not switched on yet - come on ... seriously?
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Old 11-13-2013, 02:56 PM   #70
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Yea, i agree, however I think Roku recently rolled out their UI update in waves. Originally available on the Roku 3 .. and then slowly out to the older devices.

I'm not sure what all the fuss is about anyway. It will be available when its available. The thought of folks asking if they should return product because the feature is not switched on yet - come on ... seriously?
Are you saying that I should just "trust" that out of home streaming will eventually work well??

I usually like to first audition a product before I decide to keep it.

Come on.....seriously?
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Old 11-13-2013, 03:10 PM   #71
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Are you saying that I should just "trust" that out of home streaming will eventually work well??

I usually like to first audition a product before I decide to keep it.

Come on.....seriously?
If you actually wanted to base your purchase on the "satisfaction of OOH" why wouldn't you have waited for "good reviews" - you chose to be the "early adopter" I'd guess so why complain about the "auditions" now -

you nailed this part though "Come on ..... seriously?"
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Old 11-13-2013, 03:50 PM   #72
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I know it's not available now, but is OOH viewing via a web browser in Tivo's work plan for the Stream? Not really interested if my son can't watch on his laptop in a dorm room.
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We have no idea. TiVo's not usually very forthcoming about future plans. We know they are working on an Android version of the app, but no word on other platforms.
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Old 11-13-2013, 04:51 PM   #74
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I'd return the Stream because there is no guarantee that the rollout will be completed within the next two weeks. As Margret mentioned in her post "If your TiVo Stream was not in this first batch, it should be updated within a couple of weeks."

Software from TiVo and other companies (Apple, Roku,Google) are done in waves over days or weeks. When problems are found with the software in earlier waves upcoming waves are put on hold until the problem is solved.

Even if things go well the software rollout is never immediate. The *problem* is that the people (techie guys) who read this forum want access to updates immediately. They will start asking for an update release date 6 months in advance!

Then if they don't get the software on the EXACT day they were promised they complain. Then when they get the software update they complain if it's not 100% bug free. Which it won't be because all software has bugs.

Honestly I've no idea why Margret even bothers with this group as it's a lose lose situation for her. Unfortunately all the constant complainers one day will ruin it for all of us when she just stops bothering to tell us in advance about updates and letting us jump to the front of the line.

I used to frequent the enthusiast sites for my company's products even though I was never paid to do it and it was not part of my job duties. I always identified myself and there was a link in my signature to my corporate blog so people could verify who I was. For a long time everything was cool, but then one day there was a product problem and it went from reasonable people to threats of harm. I dropped out of all of the forums. Received plenty of positive mail, but that was never worth me bothering to go back.

Let's all cut Margaret some slack, there may be problems, but she's on the good side of things.
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Old 11-13-2013, 05:14 PM   #75
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If you actually wanted to base your purchase on the "satisfaction of OOH" why wouldn't you have waited for "good reviews" - you chose to be the "early adopter" I'd guess so why complain about the "auditions" now -

you nailed this part though "Come on ..... seriously?"
Because it's on clearance for $68??? Limited supplies at that price.
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I'm sorry, but nowhere on the TiVo website is it mentioned that this service is only partially available.

Everything in their website indicates that OOH streaming is available.

http://support.tivo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/2405
http://support.tivo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/2762/
From the links you provided:

Check compatibility
Before installation, make sure that your DVR and iOS device are compatible with out-of-home streaming, and that your home network is functioning.

Out-of-Home Streaming is also available on 4-tuner Roamio or Premiere Series DVRs running software version 20.3.7.1a or higher using the standalone TiVo Stream running software version 19.1.3b-01-6-A94 or higher.


Network requirements

Out-of-home streaming requires a fast, reliable Internet connection between your DVR and iOS device. For the best experience, make sure your setup meets the following requirements:

Home network

TiVo strongly recommends that you use Ethernet or MoCA to connect your DVR to your home network. Wireless networking of any kind is by nature slower and less reliable than a wired connection, and can affect your ability to successfully stream content.

Internet connection

TiVo recommends a high-bandwidth Internet connection, such as cable or fiber optic. DSL connections are slower and might not provide the best out-of-home streaming experience.

Network at viewing location

If your iOS device is connected to a network with limited bandwidth or heavy traffic, the TiVo App for iOS automatically lowers the video quality. To improve quality, select Download from the menu bar to download the recorded program or in-progress recording to your iOS device. Once a download has started, the program can be viewed.
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To improve quality, select Download from the menu bar to download the recorded program or in-progress recording to your iOS device. Once a download has started, the program can be viewed.
And should be ammended to say with current software: "and you will have to restart the download every 5 minutes".
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I guess Marg wasn't joking when she said weeks.
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My Tivo Stream has not yet received the OOH upgrade, but I have the nagging feeling that it is probably not going to work terribly well for me when I do receive it. My primary use would be in a hotel or motel room away from home, and many of these have wi-fi networks of dubious quality and speed, something over which Tivo has no control.

So far I have been simply downloading programs from my Tivo to my iPad or iPhone while at home and taking them with me on trips. While OOH on-line streaming would give me access to newer programs and not be dependent on portable device storage capacity, I am not expecting it to replace pre-recorded programs. I suspect it would be well not to have overly optimistic expectations of what the OOH technology can actually deliver.
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Streaming to a hotel room would be nice, but what I would really like to do is download to a device remotely. I have limited space on my iPad so after watching 8 hours of TV on the way to Europe I'd love to be able to set it up to refill itself for the flight home. I can let it run all night if needed.
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My Tivo Stream has not yet received the OOH upgrade, but I have the nagging feeling that it is probably not going to work terribly well for me when I do receive it. My primary use would be in a hotel or motel room away from home, and many of these have wi-fi networks of dubious quality and speed, something over which Tivo has no control.

So far I have been simply downloading programs from my Tivo to my iPad or iPhone while at home and taking them with me on trips. While OOH on-line streaming would give me access to newer programs and not be dependent on portable device storage capacity, I am not expecting it to replace pre-recorded programs. I suspect it would be well not to have overly optimistic expectations of what the OOH technology can actually deliver.
I have the same feeling you have. I'm currently staying in a hospital using its wifi which maxes out at .7 to 1mbps, and the quality on a Slingbox 350 is actually quite impressive. When I stream using my tethered LTE connection (about 3-6mbps). The quality is absolutely superb. If it weren't for the 5gb unlimited speed throttle, I would always use the LTE. One can run through that 5gb fairly fast when streaming video!

I would like to think that TiVo can match Slingbox's quality, but at this point, I have my doubts.
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My Tivo Stream has not yet received the OOH upgrade, but I have the nagging feeling that it is probably not going to work terribly well for me when I do receive it. My primary use would be in a hotel or motel room away from home, and many of these have wi-fi networks of dubious quality and speed, something over which Tivo has no control.

So far I have been simply downloading programs from my Tivo to my iPad or iPhone while at home and taking them with me on trips. While OOH on-line streaming would give me access to newer programs and not be dependent on portable device storage capacity, I am not expecting it to replace pre-recorded programs. I suspect it would be well not to have overly optimistic expectations of what the OOH technology can actually deliver.
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Streaming to a hotel room would be nice, but what I would really like to do is download to a device remotely. I have limited space on my iPad so after watching 8 hours of TV on the way to Europe I'd love to be able to set it up to refill itself for the flight home. I can let it run all night if needed.
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I have the same feeling you have. I'm currently staying in a hospital using its wifi which maxes out at .7 to 1mbps, and the quality on a Slingbox 350 is actually quite impressive. When I stream using my tethered LTE connection (about 3-6mbps). The quality is absolutely superb. If it weren't for the 5gb unlimited speed throttle, I would always use the LTE. One can run through that 5gb fairly fast when streaming video!

I would like to think that TiVo can match Slingbox's quality, but at this point, I have my doubts.
If TiVo fixes OOH downloads so they don't pause every 5 minutes then OOH downloads would be solution for these problems. You start a download and let it buffer for a while and then start watching while it downloads. Quality for downloads is not affected by bandwidth limitations as it uses a fixed preset quality. Obviously for poor connections you would have to wait longer for the download to buffer. The big advantage over Sling with this method is that trick play controls are instant vs laggy Sling controls. Also with Sling on bad connections the quality is affected and nothing you can do about it.
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We have no idea. TiVo's not usually very forthcoming about future plans. We know they are working on an Android version of the app, but no word on other platforms.
I read this recently:

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Source: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/...eps-calling/4/

Hugely disappointing to read that there is no real timeline for Android app and there are no plans for browser streaming. If I can translate: that means expect the 2014 Android timeline to slip yet again, and browser streaming may be years away, if ever.
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I have the same feeling you have. I'm currently staying in a hospital using its wifi which maxes out at .7 to 1mbps, and the quality on a Slingbox 350 is actually quite impressive. When I stream using my tethered LTE connection (about 3-6mbps). The quality is absolutely superb. If it weren't for the 5gb unlimited speed throttle, I would always use the LTE. One can run through that 5gb fairly fast when streaming video!

I would like to think that TiVo can match Slingbox's quality, but at this point, I have my doubts.
Now it all makes sense why you keep posting about the *same* thing over and over. You are bored sitting in a hospital bed!

But to your question Slingbox's software is mature and has been improved over many years. They have been supporting iOS since 2009 and other platforms since 2006?
It should be the best out there. TiVo is just rolling out it's first attempt at Out-Of-Home(OOH) streaming.

So you are comparing TiVo OOH Streaming 1.0.0.0 vs SlingPlayer for iPhone 3.6.16 /iPad 2.6.6 and can't understand why a 1.0 release is not as good?
What kind of hospital did you say you're staying in? <kidding>

I also think TiVo hurried this release out for the Holiday/Christmas shopping season. The next 1.1 release w/o artificial deadlines will fix most outstanding problems.
Yes, that doesn't help you sitting in the hospital but I will back up what I'm saying by offering to buy the Stream off you for cost + shipping. How's that?

Even the SlingPlayer software after 5 years has it's problems. Just look at the recent bug release

What's New in Version 3.6.16
- Improved streaming quality and better adaptiveness to bandwidth fluctuations for Slingbox 500 users (Slingbox 350 support coming soon)
- Bug fixes

What's New in Version 2.4.4
Bug fix related to app crashes for iOS 5.x users

And here is the latest review of the latest SlingBox software from one user:

No longer functions, Pro-non HD

by Chili Colorado
Was watching World Series, checked between innings and found update, updated and now it either locks up, or fails to initiate (20 minutes).
How do I get older app? Will it be fixed for us early SlingBox purchasers?
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Source: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/...eps-calling/4/

Hugely disappointing to read that there is no real timeline for Android app and there are no plans for browser streaming. If I can translate: that means expect the 2014 Android timeline to slip yet again, and browser streaming may be years away, if ever.
Adobe recently added encrypted HLS support to Flash player, so it seems like they could create an HTML based "app" and use Flash player for the streaming to a browser. There are even common fall back techniques one can use that will allow it to function on iOS and Android devices which support HLS natively. Although the streaming is only part of it. They'd still have to do the whole UI of the app in HTML5. Perhaps they don't see a big enough market for browser/PC based streaming to invest in that development?
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We will be updating a large batch of TiVo Stream boxes today

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We will be authorizing another (large) batch of TiVo Stream boxes for the out-of-home streaming update today. It should be available after 6pm Pacific.

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We will be authorizing another (large) batch of TiVo Stream boxes for the out-of-home streaming update today. It should be available after 6pm Pacific.

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We will be authorizing another (large) batch of TiVo Stream boxes for the out-of-home streaming update today. It should be available after 6pm Pacific.

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Yes, thanks for keeping us all up to date on the roll out plans.
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And I was able to download OOH streaming. Newest batch must be out now!
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