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Old 11-12-2013, 02:10 PM   #61
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Yeah - I agree. Stiles is the only one of the 5 who are left who is smart enough to be Red John. It also helps that he's not a LEO. I think Stiles is one of the best characters on the show. No dots - but maybe there's still a chance that he's the guy.
Dots are for flunkies.
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That's my problem with the way all the Red john stuff has been handled. I don't think any of the suspects make a satisfying Red John.
This is why I think it's Van Pelt.
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Old 11-12-2013, 02:48 PM   #63
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Jane should perform a full body tattoo search on Van Pelt, just to be sure.
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Old 11-12-2013, 03:08 PM   #64
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This is why I think it's Van Pelt.
If it is Van Pelt I will vow to never watch another non-sports program on CBS ever again. Or at least for the next month.
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Old 11-12-2013, 03:09 PM   #65
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Jane should perform a full body tattoo search on Van Pelt, just to be sure.
But surely he'd just need to check the shoulder?


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Old 11-12-2013, 03:26 PM   #66
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Dots are for flunkies.
Maybe they're Androids, and that's just the Action Overflow menu button....


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I wonder if Jane has red dots on his shoulder. That would be a turn up for the books
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Old 11-12-2013, 05:13 PM   #68
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But surely he'd just need to check the shoulder?

Why run the risk that she has her tattos somewhere else? Better be thorough.
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Old 11-12-2013, 05:26 PM   #69
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I wonder if Reede Smith saying he's not good with heights was a red herring, or a subtle hint at him possibly being RJ ... agree though that none of the suspects are truly qualified, aside from Styles.
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Maybe you guys have it right. Stiles is RJ and everyone with dots is a flunkie. Jane will realize that now that there are multiple people with dots.

At least that's the way it SHOULD be.
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It's the guy from Homicide.
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I just watched this for the second time. Thought I might pick up on something new!!?? Saw it by magical means last week and OTA this week.

Did anyone else notice that the blood sacrifice ceremony in this show was almost identical to the ceremony in the latest episode of Witches of East End. I was wondering if they had a cup of blood left over ... or, if they shared the same producers. I see they don't have producers in common ... so, that leaves the whole leftover blood thing ...

I never even thought of Van Pelt as "Red John". The more I think about it, though, the more it seems possible ...

Oh, I finally got a solution to football messing with the show lineups on Sunday. I record a block from 7:30 PM to 1:00 AM. Get all the shows AND the news. My Tivo keeps warning me about space, though, and I don't really save anything very long.

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Old 11-12-2013, 10:12 PM   #73
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Did anyone else notice that the blood sacrifice ceremony in this show was almost identical to the ceremony in the latest episode of Witches of East End. I was wondering if they had a cup of blood left over ... or, if they shared the same producers. I see they don't have producers in common ... so, that leaves the whole leftover blood thing ...
Or they're just both borrowing from the same old clichés...
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Has anyone considered the possibility that there is no single red John, but the remaining suspects all collectively function together as Red John? It would make for a lame ending.

Personally, I don't mind if red John turns out to be a LEO. It explains some of his resources and his ability to not be captured. It explains how his minions have previously infiltrated law enforcement. Red John isn't busy serial killing 24/7. He does have time to hold down a real job.

Jane wild still be my first choice for red John. Pity the producers have ruled it out.
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That's what I thought as well - all of them are 'RJ' - thus all-knowing and seemingly everywhere.
However, I just don't see how any of them (Stiles excluded) would inspire such fanatical, nearly mythical loyalty from the followers, while at the same time have a real job ... really not liking this ...

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Has anyone considered the possibility that there is no single red John, but the remaining suspects all collectively function together as Red John? It would make for a lame ending.

Personally, I don't mind if red John turns out to be a LEO. It explains some of his resources and his ability to not be captured. It explains how his minions have previously infiltrated law enforcement. Red John isn't busy serial killing 24/7. He does have time to hold down a real job.

Jane wild still be my first choice for red John. Pity the producers have ruled it out.

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I like it even more if they are all independently RJ, not knowing who else is being RJ as well.
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Old 11-13-2013, 12:40 AM   #77
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I note that Church AV Guy did not post anything about the episode itself. Isn't there a bible verse about that? Something about sin and stones?

Anyway, I am not sure where to post now. There is a season thread for this season. This episode thread is now wrong, since it has "OAD 2013-11-03" in the subject. I am leaning towards posting in the season thread.
Ha, Ha. Good one...

I'm still not convinced that Brett Partridge is dead. Yeah, Lisbon had some of his blood on her, but there has never been a definitive statement that his body was ever recovered from the crime scene. THAT would not be RJs modus operandi. Historically, he leaves the bodies, doesn't he? He was my first choice, and until I hear that they have the body, is my odds-on favorite.

My second and third choices were eliminated this week (if eliminated is correct) so I am at a loss, since from what WE have seen, Bertram, McAllister, and Smith don't seem to have the charisma to be RJ. smith seems too young to have put the symbol at that barn those many years ago.

Only my second choice, Stiles, seems to be able to have the ability to influence vast numbers of people with complete devotion. Malcolm McDowell is a really good actor, and he at least COULD pull off the change in character necessary to go from Visualize leader, to cold blooded killer. Of course, Xander Berkeley can be a cold blooded killer, manipulator, too (see him in Nikita).

I agree that the three dots sound like a marking for JR minions, rather than the man himself.

If it's Van Pelt, I'll be as unhappy as I was over the Lost ending. I think she and Rigsby are going to be killed in the final RJ unmasking process which will provide Jane the motivation to go after the Tiger, Tiger* conspiracy.

* The closed captioning spells it Tiger every time, not Tyger, so it matters not how Blake spelled it, if the show is spelling it Tiger, then I am too.

The cabal theory is a solid possibility, but it's unsatisfactory to have the "Mastermind" be a committee. The Bond villains are all individuals, after all.
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Old 11-13-2013, 12:54 AM   #78
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I'm still not convinced that Brett Partridge is dead. Yeah, Lisbon had some of his blood on her, but there has never been a definitive statement that his body was ever recovered from the crime scene.
A good point. I still like Partridge because he dates all the way back to the pilot episode. He also has a creepy vibe to him that I think the others lack.

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If it's Van Pelt, I'll be as unhappy as I was over the Lost ending.
I had assumed the Van Pelt theory was meant to be a joke. Are people actually taking it seriously?
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The Van Pelt theory is a joke

The Cho theory is very serious...
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Old 11-13-2013, 07:51 AM   #80
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Three suspects with three dots each. They are collectively RJ.

I really just want it to be over finally.
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Old 11-13-2013, 09:25 AM   #81
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...the Tiger, Tiger* conspiracy.

* The closed captioning spells it Tiger every time, not Tyger, so it matters not how Blake spelled it, if the show is spelling it Tiger, then I am too.
How much of what ends up in closed captioning is actually specified by the showrunners?

Isn't captioning farmed out to third-party vendors? Do they get a real script to work from or do they just listen to the show?

Is it possible that the captioning is spelled "tiger" only because the captioner doesn't know his Blake?
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Old 11-13-2013, 10:33 AM   #82
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Three suspects with three dots each. They are collectively RJ.
They are members of a cult called the Ellipses.
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Does anyone know how soon this Red John business will be over? Are they going to draw it out to the end of the season?

It's starting to become tiresome. There's no suspense; there's just waiting for it to get over.
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No, I read that they will resolve it during the season, not drag it out.
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Does anyone know how soon this Red John business will be over? Are they going to draw it out to the end of the season?

It's starting to become tiresome. There's no suspense; there's just waiting for it to get over.
It SHOULD have ended with Bradley Whitford.

Given the episode titles I really hope it ends 11/24.
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It SHOULD have ended with Bradley Whitford.
This. I don't get it. Do the writers/producers think we are all going to stop watching once Red John is dead?
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The Van Pelt theory is a joke

The Cho theory is very serious...
Oh? Who says Van Pelt can't be Red John?
She's in Law Enforcement and has access to the Red John investigation.
She didn't join the team until after Jane showed up.

And she has RED HAIR!

And as for her having devoted followers, well, LOOK AT HER!
Wouldn't you do anything for her?
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Oh? Who says Van Pelt can't be Red John?
She's in Law Enforcement and has access to the Red John investigation.
She didn't join the team until after Jane showed up.

And she has RED HAIR!

And as for her having devoted followers, well, LOOK AT HER!
Wouldn't you do anything for her?
So the whole bit with one of RJ's minions seducing Van Pelt and getting engaged to her and then trying to kill her was just a huge long con by RJ/VP?
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They are members of a cult called the Ellipses.

Man, I wish I had thought of that!
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So the whole bit with one of RJ's minions seducing Van Pelt and getting engaged to her and then trying to kill her was just a huge long con by RJ/VP?
Exactly!

Officially, I'm leaning towards the "Partridge is not dead" theory but I have a sneaking suspicion that the whole Red John reveal and explanation will make as much sense as the Van Pelt theory.
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