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Old 02-24-2013, 05:29 PM   #31
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Finally got to watch this and it was pretty good, but while they spent plenty of time talking about the conflicts with Leadon, Meisner, and Felder they conveniently ignored the most damaging conflict of all - between Henley and Frey themselves. It got pretty nasty, and they completely glossed over it.

The way it was presented, it looked like the last battle between Frey and Felder ended the band when in reality the worse problem was between Frey and Henley. Felder wasn't even a founding member. They could have replaced him and continued on just like they did Leadon and Meisner.

To not even acknowledge that the real cause of the breakup was Frey/Henley and lay it at Felder's feet is disingenous at best.
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This has been running on HBO again and I finally watched last night. I didn't know it was 3 hours, and it kept me up later than usual, but I loved it.

Years ago (late 90s I believe) my husband really wanted to see them at one point, when they were going to be here. He asked me if I wanted to go. I was basically like 'meh, ok I guess'. Wow! It was the best concert I've ever attended. I don't know what was wrong with me that I didn't have proper respect for them. I guess I was too busy partying at the time and everything just mashed together, so I didn't actually realize all those songs were theirs. d'oh

I didn't know all the ins and outs, and changes so it was very interesting. Of course, it's also a trip to see how they looked back in their heyday and then now. Most held up pretty well. The one guy (oh darn, forgot his name - first falsetto guy who was pretty cute young) actually almost scared me out of my chair when I saw him 'now'.
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Since it hasn't been mentioned yet, if you really enjoyed this you should immediately read Don Felder's Heaven and Hell for the other side of the story. Great read, great stories and a very different viewpoint of Henley and Fry.
I had read that book before I even watched the show, and only reading Felder's side I thought it was all Frey and Henley causing the problems. But last year, my Dad (the Leader of The Les Paul Trio that plays The Iridium every Monday night in NYC) booked Felder to play with The Trio. Because of the book and the interview I heard on Stern I called my Dad expecting to hear how great it was only to hear words from Dad's mouth I have never heard about another human being, "He's dead to me!"

Turns out Felder is the problem, he was a prima donna, had his little drumming box and would only practice 2 songs with the band, then threw a fit grabbed his gear and left. Stood up anyone that purchased a ticket to see him, he was a no show that evening. My Dad was furious, calling him the most unprofessional piece of garbage he has ever worked with, and he has worked with them all. Changed my opinion,so when I watched The Showtime special I saw him entirely different, and the band members all stated all he did was complain about what everybody was getting always causing problems, and I now believe them.
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I'm spending a week away from TVs, but recorded this and will watch upon my return. Sounds good!
Thread bump! Finally watched this; took a little longer than I planned. Really well done documentary. Been an Eagle's fan since... well, a long time ago. But never knew much about them.

It's amazing how much video footage they have of the early days. They filmed everything!

Is there anyone, of a certain age, who didn't make "Their Greatest Hits" one of the first albums you also bought on CD as you were updating your collection from records to CDs.
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Thread bump! Finally watched this; took a little longer than I planned. Really well done documentary. Been an Eagle's fan since... well, a long time ago. But never knew much about them.

It's amazing how much video footage they have of the early days. They filmed everything!

Is there anyone, of a certain age, who didn't make "Their Greatest Hits" one of the first albums you also bought on CD as you were updating your collection from records to CDs.
Is this still just on Showtime or has it made it to streaming yet?
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Thread bump! Finally watched this; took a little longer than I planned. Really well done documentary. Been an Eagle's fan since... well, a long time ago. But never knew much about them.

It's amazing how much video footage they have of the early days. They filmed everything!

Is there anyone, of a certain age, who didn't make "Their Greatest Hits" one of the first albums you also bought on CD as you were updating your collection from records to CDs.
The only version of Eagles Greatest Hits I own is still on vinyl. And it was my wife's from before we were married. The first Eagles I bought was Hotel California which came out after GH. That's the only Eagles album I own both on vinyl and CD. Of course, since, I have a turntable with a USB connection so own it all digitally now
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Finally got to watch this and it was pretty good, but while they spent plenty of time talking about the conflicts with Leadon, Meisner, and Felder they conveniently ignored the most damaging conflict of all - between Henley and Frey themselves. It got pretty nasty, and they completely glossed over it.

The way it was presented, it looked like the last battle between Frey and Felder ended the band when in reality the worse problem was between Frey and Henley. Felder wasn't even a founding member. They could have replaced him and continued on just like they did Leadon and Meisner.

To not even acknowledge that the real cause of the breakup was Frey/Henley and lay it at Felder's feet is disingenous at best.
Well, Frey and Henley aren't stupid. They've had a license to print money since 1994 and I don't think they are going to let anything out there that shows them negatively if they can help it.
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Well, Frey and Henley aren't stupid. They've had a license to print money since 1994 and I don't think they are going to let anything out there that shows them negatively if they can help it.
94? I think 74 is more like it. As they said in the documentary they started their own Eagles corp in the 70's to put all merchandising and publishing under.
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94? I think 74 is more like it. As they said in the documentary they started their own Eagles corp in the 70's to put all merchandising and publishing under.
Sure, they've been raking it in for 40 years. But I think the reunion kinda kicked it up a notch. I would think their earnings jumped substantially then.
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Checked the listings and this is airing just once coming up, this Sunday afternoon (during football). DVR set.
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Checked the listings and this is airing just once coming up, this Sunday afternoon (during football). DVR set.
I wish this would make it on to streaming or DVD/BD. I definitely want to watch this, but not enough to sub to Showtime. Of course the times we've had free previews, it's not been on.
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It's on demand if you have it.
Nope, need a Showtime sub to access it.
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Sure, they've been raking it in for 40 years. But I think the reunion kinda kicked it up a notch.
A huge notch. That tour made more in two years ($160M) than they ever did touring during the 1970s. The live album and the MTV concert video that debuted later that year made it a perfect storm. I saw em in '94 in Mountain View, CA. I still remember being astonished with the cross-generational makeup of the audience.

The Blu-Ray has been in my wishlist for a few months. I may finally pull the trigger on it now.
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A huge notch. That tour made more in two years ($160M) than they ever did touring during the 1970s. The live album and the MTV concert video that debuted later that year made it a perfect storm. I saw em in '94 in Mountain View, CA. I still remember being astonished with the cross-generational makeup of the audience.

The Blu-Ray has been in my wishlist for a few months. I may finally pull the trigger on it now.
Added to my wishlist as well. If this shows up on Showtime the next time I get a freebie, I'll remove. If not I'll by this before the holidays. I like the idea that there's a concert included with this. I enjoy watching concerts of bands I like on DVD/BD or even streaming.
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Sure, they've been raking it in for 40 years. But I think the reunion kinda kicked it up a notch. I would think their earnings jumped substantially then.
If you're talking about the Hell Freezes Over tour, I'm kind of pissed at them because that was the first concert that broke over $100/ticket at our local shed venue, even for lawn seats. Until then, even big contemporary acts would max at around $40-45 for reserved seats. After HFO, all ticket pricing took a big jump.
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If you're talking about the Hell Freezes Over tour, I'm kind of pissed at them because that was the first concert that broke over $100/ticket at our local shed venue, even for lawn seats. Until then, even big contemporary acts would max at around $40-45 for reserved seats. After HFO, all ticket pricing took a big jump.
Yep, that's the one. Well, the whole event really (reunion, tour, video, cd, etc.) My ticket for that tour was ~$65 for mid-range in in April of '95. Several years later ('02 or '03), paid over $100/ticket for similiar seats. That was my last huge concert. Decided after that one that the prices weren't worth it and I've only seen a few state fair shows since. Haven't paid more than $30 for one of those shows.
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Read this week that Bernie Leadon is playing on their current tour in support of the documentary. Felder wasn't invited for obvious reasons. Not sure why Meisner wasn't either.
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Read this week that Bernie Leadon is playing on their current tour in support of the documentary. Felder wasn't invited for obvious reasons. Not sure why Meisner wasn't either.
Meisner was invited, but he's been sick and unable to tour.

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After having had this sit on the DVR since February, I finally watched it last night. Wow. I expected it to be kind of a glorified "Behind The Music" type thing, but it's light years ahead of that. The amount of archival footage (as others have noted) was vast. The storytelling was great (although, as others have noticed, not much on Frey vs. Henley), and it was great learning about how the various members left and came into the band.

I agree that Frey is a bit full of himself; I thought his solo work was the weakest of the bunch (well, weakest of Henley, Walsh and Frey), and I don't like most of it. Henley and Walsh's stuff, OTOH, I love and listen to regularly.

One thing I'd always wondered, and now reinforced after seeing this, is why they didn't have Schmit sing lead on "Take It To The Limit" after Meisner left? He had basically been "swapped in" for Meisner in Poco, singing and playing the same stuff; why did they re-key the song and have Frey sing it? I'll always love Meisner's version the best (this is my favorite Eagles song, but only if he's singing).

And finally, a note to all would-be singers who are living in the AutoTune age: Listen to the a cappella parts of this show closely, and decide whether or not you are, in fact, a singer, or are you just input for AutoTune. They sounded stunning, both in the 70s and in the much later years, but honestly, the opening scene with them singing "Seven Bridges Road" in the dressing room just blew me away. No electronics of any kind, just organic voices. Wow.

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I liked it a lot - the footage from the 70's being the best part, just because there was so much and of good quality as well.

However, by the end of hearing his whining about money, Glenn Frey comes off as being a bit of a jerk. Most bands generally split the touring money equally. Where Frey/Henley make the big bucks is from writing royalties.

Did Led Zeppelin pay John Bonham less than Robert Plant with regards to touring money? Not likely.

Did John Deacon make less than Freddie Mercury when on stage? Not likely (actually, in their later years, Queen equalized everything to the point of saying "all songs written by Queen"). Fans all knew who wrote most of the song, but they decided in the end that it would cut down on un-productive fighting in the studio.

I'm surprised that Tim Schmidt and Joe Walsh AGREED to getting less money for touring. That just shows a) how much they needed the money because of their lack of writing royalties, and b) how much money writing royalties earn for the artist. And while Felder may also be a bit of a jerk away from the cameras, Frey made the point it was all about the money, so that's the only point I'm focusing on here.

Frey comes off as a complete a%^hole by the end of the doc, and since Henley (ooo, the big Democrat) essentially goes along with this, just not on film, he's kinda a jerk as well.

If that's the way they feel, that they're worth more on stage than everyone else, then just hire four lackies, pay them scale, and hit the road....

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...I'm surprised that Tim Schmidt and Joe Walsh AGREED to getting less money for touring. That just shows a) how much they needed the money because of their lack of writing royalties, and b) how much money writing royalties earn for the artist. And while Felder may also be a bit of a jerk away from the cameras, Frey made the point it was all about the money, so that's the only point I'm focusing on here.
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Well, like Joe said he just wanted to play on the stuff that Henley and Frey wrote. I don't think Joe needed the money that much. He does fine recording and touring on his own and with such as Ringo.
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I thought Frey came across as a competent businessman successfully running his business in a way to maximize its value. Made perfect sense to me.
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Any plans to put this on DVD/BD? I don't have Showtime, but I would love to see this.
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Awesome. Thanks!! Early holiday present for me from myself perhaps?

I'll have to see if it's streaming somewhere first though.
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Awesome. Thanks!! Early holiday present for me from myself perhaps?

I'll have to see if it's streaming somewhere first though.
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I thought Frey came across as a competent businessman successfully running his business in a way to maximize its value. Made perfect sense to me.
It wasn't just the money, though. At times, he made it sound like the band's success was primarily because of him (he even used "I" in a few places), whereas Henley seems to have had at least an equal part.

I tend to think of The Eagles today as Henley, Frey, Walsh and Schmit, with the latter more or less being "Oh yeah, he's the bass player and sings 'I Can't Tell You Why'". At the least, the core has to include Walsh from a performance standpoint. I don't think this is like, say, KISS with Eric Singer and Tommy Thayer, who pretty much are interchangeable parts behind the makeup (albeit pretty good ones).

Either way, just give me "Take It To The Limit" with Meisner on vox, or any other Eagles song with whomever is singing and playing, and I'm probably enjoying it.

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I thought Frey came across as a competent businessman successfully running his business in a way to maximize its value. Made perfect sense to me.
maybe, but if I want to watch business docs, I'll turn on Bloomberg. This is music...art...passion. Actually, I'd pay to see Joe Walsh live....the other guys...meh.
Don't get me wrong - I have several Eagles discs and they wrote some great songs...but records are one thing, live performance another...

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