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Old 10-22-2013, 07:57 PM   #1
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Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. 10/22/2013 (S01E05) "The Girl in the Flower Dress"

So we move along on what Skye's motivation is. Interesting.

And we get to see Extremis and experimentation with same again.

Hopefully this series is hitting it's stride. Hopefully.
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Old 10-23-2013, 02:03 AM   #2
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I liked this episode and last weeks. I hope they can keep it up.

The actors are starting to mesh better and the stories are getting better. First seasons can be tough even for good shows....case in point Star Trek The Next Generation, I can not watch most of the first season anymore.
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Definitely has gotten better. Poor Scorch....

I wonder if her BF will be an issue later on. he has a beard so he could be evil.
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Is that the whole deal with Skye? if so, is the Coulson thing the only outstanding mystery?
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I thought the repeated references to the floral dresses worn by Evil Manipulating Woman were anvils to the viewer... though what that means, I ain't sure...

Floral dresses are a sign of a soulless bitch? The Floral patterns emit some sexual lure that renders men helpless and malleable? (Hell, most guys are extremely malleable and compliant when an attractive woman pays attention to them..)
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Is that the whole deal with Skye? if so, is the Coulson thing the only outstanding mystery?
Did you miss the part where her parents identities are so top secret that they were redacted by Shield?

Also, Melinda May's backstory needs to be told.

I'm calling it now: Skye's parents, Coulson and May.
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As a parent, the post-sex scene with Skye and her boyfriend was very disappointing to me. It was completely gratuitous, not to mention the acting during that scene was horrendous. I was hoping this series would be safe to watch with young teens/tweens. Guess maybe not. Not sure how this episode rated TV-PG. I guess nearly naked women are just the norm these days.

That aside, I think this was the weakest episode so far. Not sure why but it just didn't keep my attention like the other episodes did. Maybe it was the acting as a whole - didn't think the Scorch guy was very good and the villains were not very interesting.
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I was angry at the scene of Skye in her underwear, because the local affiliate covered it up with a lower-thirds promo for their third-place 11 o'clock news.
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As a parent, the post-sex scene with Skye and her boyfriend was very disappointing to me. It was completely gratuitous, not to mention the acting during that scene was horrendous. I was hoping this series would be safe to watch with young teens/tweens. Guess maybe not. Not sure how this episode rated TV-PG. I guess nearly naked women are just the norm these days.
I guess it's a good thing for your kids that there's no beach in Omaha.
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I guess it's a good thing for your kids that there's no beach in Omaha.
Or TV commercials, or billboards, or magazine covers...
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It's not just the scant clothing. It's the sexual context in a 7:00 show targeted at family viewers. So why wasn't the program rated TV14? Why does the TV14 rating even exist?

And by the way, Skye is not really even hot enough to pull off that clothing.
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I guess it's a good thing for your kids that there's no beach in Omaha.
I spent far too much time (okay, a few seconds) trying to figure out the WWII/Normandy Invasion reference before I thought to check where Loach is from.
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Personally, I'd be more worried about kids watching the scene of the doctor being engulfed in flames than anything else in this episode, although this probably isn't a good place for that debate.

Did I see correctly that the boyfriend uploaded a file with an .mp4 extension into the Austin traffic light system?
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I spent far too much time (okay, a few seconds) trying to figure out the WWII/Normandy Invasion reference before I thought to check where Loach is from.
Ok, now I feel better--that was my first thought too.
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I really thought they were about to give us Sunfire, that would have been an interesting dip into the Marvel well, and I'm kind of disappointed they didn't go that way.
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I really thought they were about to give us Sunfire, that would have been an interesting dip into the Marvel well, and I'm kind of disappointed they didn't go that way.
They probably can't...he's an X-Men character, and thus outside Marvel's control for movies/TV.
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Did I see correctly that the boyfriend uploaded a file with an .mp4 extension into the Austin traffic light system?
Yup, I noticed that, too. And just now I noticed that it is "Playable" as well. Also notice that it has nice context checking to see if the power grid is up before it executes, and if the power grid is down, it cleverly powers up the grid first.

BTW, Coulson should have jumped out of his car and chased the guy on foot. If there was really gridlock, it should not be that hard.





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They probably can't...he's an X-Men character, and thus outside Marvel's control for movies/TV.
He's only ancillarily an X-men character, isn't he? Sure he was with the team briefly, but he was in Sub-Mariner and Iron Man, too.

How broadly is the license to Sony written? Anybody who was ever an X-man is licensed away?
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He's only ancillarily an X-men character, isn't he? Sure he was with the team briefly, but he was in Sub-Mariner and Iron Man, too.
He's a mutant, he was created in the X-Men comic, he was a member of the team, and he has been associated with them for over 40 years despite the occasional guest appearances elsewhere. So I'd guess he wouldn't even be considered a borderline case.
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If I'm not mistaken, EVERYBODY in the Marvel Universe is a mutant now. Bruce Banner became the Hulk because the gamma radiation reacted with his mutation. Spider-Man became Spider-man because the radioactive spider reacted with his mutation.

I get your bigger point, though. I guess I just never really associated him with X-men that strongly, but I do know that Roy Thomas created him in the X-Men. Wolverine was created in the Hulk, though.
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If I'm not mistaken, EVERYBODY in the Marvel Universe is a mutant now. Bruce Banner became the Hulk because the gamma radiation reacted with his mutation. Spider-Man became Spider-man because the radioactive spider reacted with his mutation.
Uh, no, I don't think so. At least, I've never heard that. And if they ever said it (it would have to have been in the 90s, when comics were insane and I wasn't reading), they don't say it any more.
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Yes, but he immediately went into the X-Men, where he's been for 40 years, and where they quickly turned him into a mutant.

Hell, Fox has even been able to claim Quicksilver, who was created in the X-Men and was a villain there for about 15 minutes before he joined the Avengers and has been there for the past 50 years. Interestingly, though, he will also be in the next Avengers movie. Apparently, his 15 minutes as an X-Men villain in 1964 was enough that Marvel can't stop Fox from using him, but his 50 years as an X-Man are enough that Fox can't stop Marvel from using him.

Marvel isn't even allowed to use the word "mutant" in their movies and TV shows, although I'm not sure if that's a contractual stipulation or an editorial edict.
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Uh, no, I don't think so. At least, I've never heard that. And if they ever said it (it would have to have been in the 90s, when comics were insane and I wasn't reading), they don't say it any more.
I only ran into it in World War Hulk, I think. I vaguely remember someone (Doc Sampson?) explaining that Banner only survived the gamma bomb because of his mutation, and that they (SHIELD?) had been trying to duplicate the result (with a more controllable subject) but nobody had the same mutation. It was kind of an explanation for why all the people had different results from their exposure to gamma radiation (which used to be explained by it reflecting their personality, which is why Peter David (?) came up with the idea that Bruce had Multiple Personality Disorder). I confess I pretty much gave up on Marvel comics a long time ago, so I'm out of date, but I thought they had retrofit the mutant thing into everybody by now. Or maybe I simply read too much into an off-hand comment somewhere. I always thought the idea was stupid, but honestly thought it was canon now.

This is one I'd be glad to be wrong on.

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Hell, Fox has even been able to claim Quicksilver, who was created in the X-Men and was a villain there for about 15 minutes before he joined the Avengers and has been there for the past 50 years. Interestingly, though, he will also be in the next Avengers movie. Apparently, his 15 minutes as an X-Men villain in 1964 was enough that Marvel can't stop Fox from using him, but his 50 years as an X-Man are enough that Fox can't stop Marvel from using him.
Didn't we learn sometime back that Pietro and Wanda were actually Magnetos children? Or is that another thing I remember wrong? (And thanks for correcting me that it was Fox that had that license).

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I hadn't realized that. Thanks.
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Didn't we learn sometime back that Pietro and Wanda were actually Magnetos children? Or is that another thing I remember wrong?
Yep. Along with Lorna Dane/Polaris.

I think from time to time all three have been ret-conned out of the family (certainly Lorna has), but it's never stuck.
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He's only ancillarily an X-men character, isn't he? Sure he was with the team briefly, but he was in Sub-Mariner and Iron Man, too.

How broadly is the license to Sony written? Anybody who was ever an X-man is licensed away?
I believe that Sunfire is currently appearing in Uncanny Avengers.

Like you, I was hoping that this would be Sunfire and was a tad disappointed when it wasn't.
And it's not like they could have used Johnny Storm (due to rights).

I do wonder if Jim Hammond would available for this show.
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I believe that Sunfire is currently appearing in Uncanny Avengers.
Which, for the uninitiated, is an Avengers/X-Men team-up book (Uncanny X-Men & Mighty Avengers), and he's one of the X-Men on the team.
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In the comics, a mutation does not make you a member of the race of mutants. Even getting mutant powers grafted "onto" you like Deadpool does not make you a mutant.

Quicksilver was also a member of X-Factor for years.

It is contractual that non-Fox movies cannot use the term mutant. http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?i...20130924095818 I'd be interested to see how/if they explain Quicksilver/Scarlet Witch's powers in Avengers 2.
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As a parent, the post-sex scene with Skye and her boyfriend was very disappointing to me. It was completely gratuitous, not to mention the acting during that scene was horrendous. I was hoping this series would be safe to watch with young teens/tweens. Guess maybe not. Not sure how this episode rated TV-PG. I guess nearly naked women are just the norm these days.
So you have no problems with them showing a human being charred to death right in front of your eyes? Typical American parents....
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So you have no problems with them showing a human being charred to death right in front of your eyes? Typical American parents....
Cartoonish. Not realistic at all.
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Cartoonish. Not realistic at all.
Is that comment in reference to the violence or the sex?
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Cartoonish. Not realistic at all.
'cartoonish' isn't how I would describe the scene. It may not have been graphic or gruesome, but it was clearly meant to depict a human being killed by incineration.

I can't see what the issue is with the post-sex scene. It didn't depict them having sex. It depicted a woman in her underwear. It was no more graphic than what one would see at the beach. It revealed that adults wear underwear in the bedroom.

As far as this episode, I enjoyed it, but I am getting tired of 'extremis' related plots, mainly because I've been bored with it ever since the last ironman movie. Can someone familiar with Marvel comics tell me, is extremis central to the marvel world? Should we expect it to keep coming up? I was hoping that Scorch would turn into a super-villain for the series. For me, superheroes are defined by their villains, and this series has no decent villains yet.
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