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Old 10-02-2013, 07:01 AM   #1
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Hmmm. Apple hires cablelabs exec

Could this get interesting? I have yet to like any cablebox other than my tivo, and the premier has left a bad taste in my mouth (for reasons everyone I think shares). I have not personally used the roameo but if folks could pick up an apple tv with cablebox capability and icloud recording for $99 with no monthly subscription.... (all conjecture on my part btw).

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Mulé revealed his new position in a post to his LinkedIn page on Tuesday (via Multichannel), noting that he started working at Apple in September. Under the Experience column, Mulé said he would be "Challenged, inspired and part of something big" in his role as Engineering Director.

The hire was confirmed by Mulé's most recent employer CableLabs, which is now looking to fill the outgoing executive's former position of Senior VP of Technology Development.

Mulé has a pedigree in cable technology, and most recently worked for two years as CableLabs' SVP of Technology Development. During that time, he founded the firm's San Francisco office, which is currently building out a new research and development center in Sunnyvale, Calif. Prior to that, Mulé served as CableLabs' director of PacketCable Architecture and chief architect.

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Old 10-02-2013, 10:13 AM   #2
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The price one would have to pay in lag time for cloud IPTV would not be something I would want as all you could save is the cable TV part of the triple play package, that in itself is not that much money. I don't like the lag time I now have using OD.
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Old 10-02-2013, 11:04 AM   #3
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Could this get interesting? I have yet to like any cablebox other than my tivo, and the premier has left a bad taste in my mouth (for reasons everyone I think shares). I have not personally used the roameo but if folks could pick up an apple tv with cablebox capability and icloud recording for $99 with no monthly subscription.... (all conjecture on my part btw).

http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/...-something-big
Apple will not create a cloud service without any subscription fees. I have a feeling that cloud dvr's will just be another nail in the coffin for consumer rights.
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Old 10-02-2013, 01:27 PM   #4
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I just made up the cloud stuff for food for thought... don't get hung up on it

The point is they hired a cablelabs exec and the rumor is he has joined the apple tv group.
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Old 10-02-2013, 01:39 PM   #5
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I just made up the cloud stuff for food for thought... don't get hung up on it

The point is they hired a cablelabs exec and the rumor is he has joined the apple tv group.
That may be, but it doesn't necessarily mean that they are developing a DVR, although they might be. It also doesn't mean the DVR is going to be at the same price point as an Apple TV, although it could be.

What it would mean is that Apple would need to pay royalties to TiVo for it's time shifting and other patents.

I suspect that if Apple does decide to get into the DVR game, they could go cheaper, but it isn't going to be as cheap as you are thinking with the level of functionality you are thinking.

With that said, I believe there would still be room in the market for TiVo. And TiVo would rake in the money on patent fees if they really tried to do a standard DVR!

BTW - you are correct, Apple would never go for local storage. They would push for cloud storage - probably an extention of iCloud. You currently get 5.0GB free with 50GB priced at $100 a year.

You can do the math on how that might relate to a service plan...
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Old 10-02-2013, 02:00 PM   #6
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Apple has never been one to release anything cheap. Even the AppleTV is $50 more then an equivalent offering from Roku. So why would anyone expect a DVR from Apple to be cheaper then a TiVo? Cooler looking, slicker UI, maybe. But I seriously doubt it would be cheaper.

Honestly I hope they do release a DVR. It would be nice to have some competition in this space. Maybe it would put enough pressure on TiVo to finally finish the HDUI.
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Old 10-02-2013, 03:37 PM   #7
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Honestly I hope they do release a DVR. It would be nice to have some competition in this space. Maybe it would put enough pressure on TiVo to finally finish the HDUI.
That's the key there
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Old 10-02-2013, 04:57 PM   #8
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Honestly I hope they do release a DVR. It would be nice to have some competition in this space. Maybe it would put enough pressure on TiVo to finally finish the HDUI.
If "finishing" the HDUI means crippling previously perfectly functional ones like they did with the Wishlist screens then I hope they never do...
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If "finishing" the HDUI means crippling previously perfectly functional ones like they did with the Wishlist screens then I hope they never do...
There's nothing left except the options and Find By Time/Channel, not much they can do to mess those up.
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Old 10-02-2013, 09:12 PM   #10
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Apple has never been one to release anything cheap.
Except the fact that the iPad was MUCH cheaper than people were predicting, and for a very long time "competing" tablets were as expensive or more expensive..
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If "finishing" the HDUI means crippling previously perfectly functional ones like they did with the Wishlist screens then I hope they never do...
Wait, what is crippled with wishlist screens? I have a Premiere 4, and do leave it in HD UI.. I don't remember any functions missing from the SD version.

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There's nothing left except the options and Find By Time/Channel, not much they can do to mess those up.
and various setting screens.
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Wait, what is crippled with wishlist screens? I have a Premiere 4, and do leave it in HD UI.. I don't remember any functions missing from the SD version.
For series 4 units the Wishlists screens are the traditional fully functional SD ones that work great. For series 5 units TiVo "upgraded" the Wishlists screens to HD and crippled some functionality as described in HDUI Wishlist screens issues thread.
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and various setting screens.
That's what I meant by options.
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Old 10-03-2013, 12:59 PM   #15
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Search engines often prefer correct spelling though, and part of the utility of this site is that something you write today may help someone a year or two from now, just as you in turn may be helped at some point by something written at some point more than a day or 3 previous.
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Apple has never been one to release anything cheap. Even the AppleTV is $50 more then an equivalent offering from Roku. So why would anyone expect a DVR from Apple to be cheaper then a TiVo? Cooler looking, slicker UI, maybe. But I seriously doubt it would be cheaper.

Honestly I hope they do release a DVR. It would be nice to have some competition in this space. Maybe it would put enough pressure on TiVo to finally finish the HDUI.
Also, Apple will never release anything that use a cablecard or tuning adapter. It just not Cool.
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Also, Apple will never release anything that use a cablecard or tuning adapter. It just not Cool.
Well, if they're hiring someone from CableLabs, that implies a plan for something that will work with cable, not something that will download from the internet.

As it stands now, if you need a cable card, you need one that can talk to the cable company's head end equipment, so different head end gear manufacturer, different cable card needed.

What if they're going for a software defined virtual cable card? Whatever the head end needs, it'll pretend to be, and it'll handle any SDV TA chores as well.

Just plug it in and it works.

No need to go pick up a card.

No truck roll needed.
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Old 10-04-2013, 09:13 AM   #19
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According to Multichannel, Mulé was involved in a number of high-profile initiatives, including CableLabs' DOCSIS 3.0 program and the creation of APIs for so-called "second screen" video apps.
I highly doubt that Apple would want anything to do with cable cards... But, looking at the projects Mulé has worked on, it definately could be delivery of content in some meathod - most likely IP.

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Old 10-05-2013, 07:55 PM   #20
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Maybe apple could develop a "cool" cablecard DVR with pre-provisioned cablecard/tuning adapter or require the purchaser to come into an apple store for the geek squad to install and get working the cablecard? Haha.....
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I still think it would be interesting if they could leverage the cellphone model for cable and get comcast et al to subsidize an Apple DVR.
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I still think it would be interesting if they could leverage the cellphone model for cable and get comcast et al to subsidize an Apple DVR.
Why would the cable company do that? They already have a model that makes them millions in profit. They buy the boxes themselves for a couple hundred bucks and then rent them out to customers for $20/mo for life.

I paid $7/mo for like 8 years for a cable modem before I realize you were allowed to buy your own. I bought one for $75 from Amazon. They made $672 off me for a $75 piece of equipment, and when I did buy my own I had to give theirs back so they could rent it to some other sucker.

No way the cable company is going to the cell phone model. They've got a sweet deal where already where they get to charge you for service AND rent you the equipment for a profit.
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People generally hate the cellphone model and Apple knows this. Even the cell phone carriers are catching on shifting to new models.
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Tivo did do the cellphone model, and IIRC not many people took them up on the offer.
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