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Old 09-25-2013, 01:19 PM   #61
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There were a references to Figi, seems like it is the backstory they use when they grow a new clone of someone or something.
1. The island I think you are referring to is Fiji, not Figi.
b. The one they actually mentioned in the pilot is Tahiti, not Fiji.
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Old 09-25-2013, 01:21 PM   #62
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I enjoyed the pilot for the most part but I too thought the BTTF car at the end was kind of silly.
It was such a direct lift from the 60s SHIELD comics, I wouldn't be surprised if nobody was thinking BTTF at all...

I know the moment Lola appeared on screen, my first thought was "I wonder if she flies?" And Whedon's an even bigger geek than I am.
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Old 09-25-2013, 01:36 PM   #63
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Old 09-25-2013, 01:38 PM   #64
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It was such a direct lift from the 60s SHIELD comics, I wouldn't be surprised if nobody was thinking BTTF at all...
I think "nobody" is pushing it. I never read the comics, and I would wager that a significant percentage of the viewers hadn't either.

And I would also bet that a good chunk of those people (the ones who haven't read the comics) have seen BTTF.
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Old 09-25-2013, 01:46 PM   #65
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I think "nobody" is pushing it. I never read the comics, and I would wager that a significant percentage of the viewers hadn't either.
By "nobody," I meant among the people who made the show, who put the flying car in it. And I suspect they had Kirby & Steranko on the brain, not Back to the Future...especially Whedon.
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Old 09-25-2013, 01:49 PM   #66
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Disappointment overall. It did not carry enough comic book flavor for me. The jokes were decent and well placed but a bit over the top and somewhat flat at times. The special affects were good, character development was so-so, overall story line all over the place. I was expecting more from the Premiere as it did not pull me in like the show Heroes (much better done in my opinion).

We shall see after another week, if it does not start to come together better its off the rotation.
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Old 09-25-2013, 02:00 PM   #67
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I thought it was ok and will probably continue to watch for awhile, but the back to the future scene was crazy. I almost cancelled my recording at that point.
SHIELD has has flying cars since the 1960s. Back to the Future was not the first place where the wheels turned out like that.

http://theamazoeffect.blogspot.com/2...ying-cars.html

Edit: I seem to have missed a page where this was discussed, but they didn't have the cool link.

Oh yeah, and lets not forget that we actually saw Starks prototype for this in the Captain America movie.
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Old 09-25-2013, 02:08 PM   #68
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I'm Whedon's bitch. In for the duration.
If you're his bitch, I'm his huckleberry. I'm definitely in for as long as it runs, assuming it doesn't turn to total crap (ala Heroes, beyond an episode or two prior to the conclusion of the first season )
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Old 09-25-2013, 02:24 PM   #69
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So is this the basic plan for this show: this non-super-powered team investigates and neutralizes super-powered people? Or will some of them join the team? Or become heroes elsewhere?

I never really read any SHIELD stories in the comics so I have no idea.
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Old 09-25-2013, 02:34 PM   #70
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The two science nerds on the team reminded me of the Wonder Twins.
They made me a bit dizzy and hard to follow - maybe it's a get used to them thing.

As for Whedon's 'regular's' - maybe they will pop up from time to time.
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Old 09-25-2013, 02:36 PM   #71
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So is this the basic plan for this show: this non-super-powered team investigates and neutralizes super-powered people? Or will some of them join the team? Or become heroes elsewhere?
I suspect it will be non-powered spies, with ridiculously cool gear, fighting evil in a world filled with aliens and monsters and superheroes.
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Old 09-25-2013, 02:49 PM   #72
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Not bad. I'll keep watching just because I like the genre.
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Old 09-25-2013, 02:57 PM   #73
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I think the gotcha with the car is that there were so many things that directly mirrored the end of BTTF, from the wheels swiveling down, to the way the car lifted off, flew away from the camera, did a U-turn, then flew back into the camera. Yes, SHIELD had the flying car before BTTF, we will readily grant, but the way they depicted it here was very, very reminiscent of BTTF.
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You can argue the flight path if you want, but the wheels swiveling down and lifting off like that is exactly how Kirby (and later, Steranko) drew it in the SHIELD comics.

I'll grant that the "we don't need roads" comment popped into my head, too, but you can't really expect a SHIELD TV show not to use SHIELD tropes just because someone else used them later, can you?


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Wouldn't you do that with the tires in any flying car to reduce drag?

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By "nobody," I meant among the people who made the show, who put the flying car in it. And I suspect they had Kirby & Steranko on the brain, not Back to the Future...especially Whedon.
Ah, okay... I thought you meant the viewers.
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Whedon could do a blank screen with dialog and I'm in.
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And that airplane. Looks like a C-17 with an extra wing and 2 more engines on the back. Could that really fly? I'm sure aerodynamic reality isn't all that important in comic books.
Yeah and they sure dedicated a large amount of space on that plane to having an interrogation room.
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Ah, okay... I thought you meant the viewers.
Right, and clearly that's not the case (that the viewers would have been thinking about the comics). But what the producers intended and how the viewers interpreted it are, I would argue most strenuously, two entirely different things.
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I'm going to watch this eventually but only because I know Sheldon and Leonard will discuss it a lot and I want to know what they are talking about.
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I'm going to watch this eventually but only because I know Sheldon and Leonard will discuss it a lot and I want to know what they are talking about.
You think CBS will allow a show on their network to mention a show on ABC?
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You think CBS will allow a show on their network to mention a show on ABC?
Right. I think that BBT mostly references DC Comics properties, not Marvel.
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You think CBS will allow a show on their network to mention a show on ABC?
We know Sheldon won't have good things to say about it. [/sarcasm]

CBS couldn't possibly stop them from discussing it. It is too nerdy.

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Oh yeah, and lets not forget that we actually saw Starks prototype for this in the Captain America movie.
Yes. That is what I was thinking of when the car took off. So, BTTF had a flying car in it. So did the Jetsons.

This was honest to the original SHIELD. Doesn't matter if it was done in another movie since. It is part of the story, you do it.
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In other words, radio.
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I think the gotcha with the car is that there were so many things that directly mirrored the end of BTTF, from the wheels swiveling down, to the way the car lifted off, flew away from the camera, did a U-turn, then flew back into the camera. Yes, SHIELD had the flying car before BTTF, we will readily grant, but the way they depicted it here was very, very reminiscent of BTTF.
I chose to look at is as an homage, not a ripoff.
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Although I must admit I kind of wandered away from Dollhouse (I kind of blame Dushku for that one. It takes a great actor to constantly change into another person. And she just wasn't good enough to do that).
The one who was amazing on Dollhouse was the guy who played Victor. That dude was a fricken chameleon. I'm also a huge Amy Acker fan. Surely, Joss could have found a spot for one of them on this show ...

Overall, I enjoyed the pilot. It didn't suck me in the way Firefly did, but it was a fun ride. Not digging the Wonder Twins at all. Love Ming Na's character! The Eliza Dushku chick is hot!
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The one who was amazing on Dollhouse was the guy who played Victor. That dude was a fricken chameleon. I'm also a huge Amy Acker fan. Surely, Joss could have found a spot for one of them on this show ...
Acker was promoted to regular on Person of Interest this season so I'm going to guess her availability is limited.
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Acker was promoted to regular on Person of Interest this season so I'm going to guess her availability is limited.
I don't watch that show, but good for her!
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I enjoyed the episode. It was, perhaps, not as strong as I was hoping for, but still very enjoyable. I'll keep my fingers crossed that it will improve (though even if it doesn't, I'll still watch).
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