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Old 09-24-2013, 08:06 PM   #31
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Watched it, liked it, season pass set.
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Old 09-24-2013, 08:42 PM   #32
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I thought it was rather terrible. Spader is the only reason I'll give it another episode in the hope they dial the stupid down a notch.
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Old 09-24-2013, 10:25 PM   #33
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I watched Hostages last night and saved the Blacklist for tonight. The Blacklist was definitely better. Nice to see Spader back on TV in a decent role.

I'm gonna keep watching both. I like the fact that Hostages is billed as a 13 episode miniseries, so I don't need to devote a ton of time to it.

But I pretty much liked everything about The Blacklist.
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Old 09-24-2013, 10:40 PM   #34
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A lot of tropes, yes, but some good stuff.

I can't believe nobody's brought this up yet, but we've already been shown the key to some of Reddington's omniscience: He's behind the operative that was clearly placed to become her husband. That's where he got his info about her (my wife gets credit for noticing this).

If nothing else, as has oft been said already, we're in for Spader.

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Old 09-24-2013, 10:58 PM   #35
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I can't believe nobody's brought this up yet, but we've already been shown the key to some of Reddington's omniscience: He's behind the operative that was clearly placed to become her husband. That's where he got his info about her (my wife gets credit for noticing this).
Noticing what, exactly?
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Old 09-24-2013, 11:23 PM   #36
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I liked it. I enjoy Spader and will stay for that. Him getting a pen in the neck was a surprise.

I thought the attack on the bridge was hinky and I asked why couldn't she take the bomb and throw it back out the window?

I kept feeling like Silence of the Lambs throughout it. Sitting and facing each other to talk, then later with him making certain requests for food and such.
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Old 09-24-2013, 11:39 PM   #37
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Well dang. I came here hoping it would be a landslide one way or the other, but it seems fairly evenly split. Now I guess I'll have to watch and decide on my own.
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Old 09-24-2013, 11:46 PM   #38
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I enjoyed it more than I wanted to.
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Old 09-24-2013, 11:48 PM   #39
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Now I guess I'll have to watch and decide on my own.
Don'cha hate when that happens?
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Old 09-25-2013, 12:05 AM   #40
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Not great, but good enough to keep watching.
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Old 09-25-2013, 01:53 AM   #41
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Liked it. 2nd best thing I've seen from NBC in a loooooong time. (Chicago Fire being 1st)
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Old 09-25-2013, 03:50 AM   #42
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I really enjoyed it. James Spader best work since Tough Turf.

I thought I was well done and will provide an interesting basis for a procedural. In the vein of POI which has a bit more heft than the typical procedural.
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Old 09-25-2013, 07:52 AM   #43
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I love James Spader. He alone is enough for me to keep the SP although I did enjoy it. Looking forward to what might come.
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Old 09-25-2013, 08:00 AM   #44
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100% derivative of Silence of the Lambs (especially the first half), completely unbelievable and ridiculous situations straight across the board, and way too convenient resolutions. But a fun ride - and James Spader!!! We'll keep watching for a while
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Old 09-25-2013, 08:14 AM   #45
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Actually wasn't so bad. Pleasantly surprised.

Don't really pay much attention to new shows, etc., unless a Tivo ad catches my attention.

Thanks for the heads up.
So, what do you watch then? Rockford Files and Murder She Wrote?
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Old 09-25-2013, 08:21 AM   #46
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I liked it a lot, for a pilot. It moved fast and wasn't TOO ridiculous (as noted above, the fact that Red set the entire thing up ended up making it much more believable than it would have been otherwise, and solved some of the really terrible plot holes).

And I do like Spader.

BTW, someone above said that the husband getting mad was not believable: actually I thought he didn't get mad at all, as you'd expect from a TV show. His reaction seemed quite realistic to me, surprisingly so. He just wanted reassurance that she really wanted to go through with it, then he handled it himself without any complaints.
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A lot of tropes, yes, but some good stuff.

I can't believe nobody's brought this up yet, but we've already been shown the key to some of Reddington's omniscience: He's behind the operative that was clearly placed to become her husband. That's where he got his info about her (my wife gets credit for noticing this).

If nothing else, as has oft been said already, we're in for Spader.

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Do you mean "realizing" or "predicting" rather than "noticing" or did I miss clues in the show that revealed this?
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Old 09-25-2013, 10:27 AM   #48
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Do you mean "realizing" or "predicting" rather than "noticing" or did I miss clues in the show that revealed this?
Yes, poor choice of words on my part; it's more "realizing" or "predicting", although, it's "obvious" to her.

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Old 09-25-2013, 10:48 AM   #49
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So, what do you watch then? Rockford Files and Murder She Wrote?
I do seem watch most things when they go into rerun.
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Old 09-25-2013, 10:59 AM   #50
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My wife and I enjoyed it. Everything can't be as good as Breaking Bad and some nice action and spy fun is always a good time. I'll be shocked if Spader isn't the father more than any other plot they could come up with.
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Old 09-25-2013, 11:04 AM   #51
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It was an okay pilot, but not sure that Red proves his value by catching a bad guy he got into the country and plan he put into motion.

Was the weird engraving on the top of her hubby's secret spy reveal kit based on Liz's scar?
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Old 09-25-2013, 11:25 AM   #52
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i liked it enough to keep watching for now.

as for anything that hasn't been said, i'll say this- if Red is indeed her father, as it seems the show is dropping a ton of hints that he is, then they better "reveal" that within an episode or 2. Because if they wait to reveal something that is so obvious, it's going to be a total dud of a "twist".

However, if that is all misdirection and he's not actually her dad, but like someone else suggested he put hubby up to spying on her, or had some other connection to her, then a later reveal is fine with me.
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Old 09-25-2013, 12:09 PM   #53
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if Red is indeed her father, as it seems the show is dropping a ton of hints that he is, then they better "reveal" that within an episode or 2. Because if they wait to reveal something that is so obvious, it's going to be a total dud of a "twist". However, if that is all misdirection and he's not actually her dad, but like someone else suggested he put hubby up to spying on her, or had some other connection to her, then a later reveal is fine with me.
This. If she is as smart as she seems to be, she should be determining his paternal status by episode 3.

I hope it gets a little more like "Person of Interest" than "The Silence of the Lambs" in the next episodes.
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Old 09-25-2013, 12:20 PM   #54
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Quite a bit like Silence of the Lambs.
Yeah, I thought a lot of that plus a dash of 24.

The pilot seemed a bit rushed. They wanted to get a lot set up. Plus it was predictable. Still, I enjoyed it. It's a great role for Spader, and I like watching him. I think it has good potential.
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If I were making this show, I'd drop in little Silence of the Lambs references and jokes, like showing Spader eating fava beans or something.
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If I were making this show, I'd drop in little Silence of the Lambs references and jokes, like showing Spader eating fava beans or something.
He seemed to be enjoying a nice chianti at the hotel!
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Old 09-25-2013, 03:31 PM   #57
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My wife and I enjoyed it. Everything can't be as good as Breaking Bad and some nice action and spy fun is always a good time. I'll be shocked if Spader isn't the father more than any other plot they could come up with.
The first time she walked in to talk to him, he definitely had a "proud papa" expression on his face.

If he isn't her father, it's a good bit of misdirection.
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The one thing I don't think I've seen commented on is that Spader was clearly working with the bad guy, and his surrender and reveal of the kidnapping plot was a necessary part for the plot to succeed.

Had he not alerted the agents to that, they wouldn't have been carrying the girl across the bridge at that time, for the "chemical spill" to turn them around and set them up for everything that follows.

Spader is clearly playing both sides.
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The one thing I don't think I've seen commented on is that Spader was clearly working with the bad guy, and his surrender and reveal of the kidnapping plot was a necessary part for the plot to succeed.

Had he not alerted the agents to that, they wouldn't have been carrying the girl across the bridge at that time, for the "chemical spill" to turn them around and set them up for everything that follows.

Spader is clearly playing both sides.
Not clear at all. While it is possible Red was working with Zamani, it is also possible (and perhaps more likely) that Red was manipulating Zamani, making him think he was working with him when Red was actually just using him as a tool to accomplish his goals and/or to defeat or kill Zamani.

And I'm not sure why you think Zamani could not have come up with another absurd plan that would never work (but actually does work) to kidnap the girl without her being in a convoy of FBI agents.
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The one thing I don't think I've seen commented on is that Spader was clearly working with the bad guy, and his surrender and reveal of the kidnapping plot was a necessary part for the plot to succeed.

Had he not alerted the agents to that, they wouldn't have been carrying the girl across the bridge at that time, for the "chemical spill" to turn them around and set them up for everything that follows.

Spader is clearly playing both sides.
I thought this as well. The only alternative to the "I know I'm sending you into a trap effect" I can see is that maybe the girl would have had a nanny pick her up and something similar happened, but several heavily armed men to take out one nanny seems unlikely.

However, I think the possibility that he was just manipulating Zamani is likely as well. I will say, though, that if he really was deep cover like was surmised earlier, he has an awfully callous regard towards the life of his fellow FBI agents. Heck, even if he's *not* deep cover and is just in it for simple revenge or something like that, he took quite the risk with his new "friend" Elizabeth....
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