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Old 09-16-2013, 12:42 AM   #91
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Ahh now the picture makes so much more sense. I missed that it was a threat to Jesse. I thought Todd just had the picture on the wall from when Walt told Jack&Co to watch Brock's house for Jesse. It felt a bit weird. There's my zoom for the episode.
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I got the phone call but I got it from another direction. As I was listening I thinking "C'mon Walt you idiot. What you are saying is totally letting her off the hook." Then I saw the look on his face and was like "Whoa, he knows what he is doing, he is letting her off the hook." Had to rewatch to get the full effect. A truly amazing scene.
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Oh yeah, not that details like this matter anymore, but I remember thinking that Walt better throw away that lottery ticket (and any others he had), because that's now a particularly bad set of coordinates.. (Hank & Gomez's body). Now that he pretty much claimed for the police call that he did it, doesn't matter much now.
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There are 10 dead prisoners who would disagree with your theory that Walt has never ordered an execution.
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I need to know what happened between Marie telling Skyler to go home and Walt junior calling 911. I lost about 6 minutes of my recording to a power failure.
I haven't read beyond this post yet and I imagine someone else will suggest it, but I don't want to forget:

Find one of the many replays and record it (meant in a very polite, 'you're going to want to see this' way)! I think you would much rather see it than just read about it.
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Just checked - the captions say "Let's cook."
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Old 09-16-2013, 01:10 AM   #97
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I totally thought Skylar was gonna get stabbed.
Nah. Walt was doing everything he could to keep the knife away from Skyler, but that tool of Satan, Vince Gilligan showed us the cliche clutch with one fighter (Skyler) going still and the camera pulls back and they seperate and we see it's because he/she just got shot/stabbed.

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"Dad! What's going on? Stop and talk to me!"

I was reminded of Butch coming back for his girl in Pulp Fiction. GET ON THE BIKE! We gonna die!

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Loved Todd saying "let's cook" as he was putting the suit on.
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Walt is coming back for the rest of his money.
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That was a really great play by Todd (convincing Jack to spare Jesse). Now he's got Jesse as a "cook slave" and can take all the credit with Lydia.
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But then there's a tiny part of me that thinks the flash-fowards are now Walt going back to face the AB and free Jesse from his enslavement and eventual murder. They ride off into the New Mexico sunset in a new RV.

But upthread is probably right, he's going back for his money.
What do you think those dudes could do with $70 million? That's more than Bin Laden could give to fund Al Qaida. There would be synagogues and African-American churches blowing up from coast to coast.

I think it's right that Walt takes on the Aryan army to not only get his money but to free Jesse from indentured servitude. Then Jesse survives.

I still say there was a preview scene of somebody in the yellow chem suit getting torched. I'll bet Jesse sets up Todd for a barbeque.

I hope Todd lets Jesse wear the protective equipment

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For me it's the dogs.

15 minutes in, I get barked at by the girl who will bark when her bother needs to go. HUSH!

Bark, bark, bark!

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I drag my azz up let em' out.

The boy runs and does his business. The girl doesn't like that it's still wet outside.

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Bark, bark, bark!

The doggie critical show detector is working better than ever.

I let her out - again. She's acting like she's afraid of the dark. Eventually success.


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I believe that last episode it was shown from multiple angles, making it appear to last a lot longer than it actually did. Common Hollywood trickery.
This episode had the real time shootout so that we knew there weren't just "bullets flying everywhere".

Also,

Holy Sh**!!
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I thought Todd just had the picture on the wall from when Walt told Jack&Co to watch Brock's house for Jesse.
Although I argued against Walt's responsibility for the shootout, I definitely hold him responsible for putting Andrea and Brock on the Aryan Brotherhood's radar. That might be another reason he's back in town. He might hate Jesse, but perhaps he feels some obligation to protect them.

I think of all the people on the show, I feel the most sorry for Andrea and Brock. First Andrea's brother gets killed, then she has to go into hiding, then Brock gets poisoned, then Jesse breaks up with her so he can keep cooking, and now she and Brock are targeted by the Aryan Brotherhood.

They are completely innocent in all of this, but keep getting used as pawns in other people's games.

This episode was great because it not only showed Walt's family destroyed because of his actions, but the closest thing Jesse had to a family potentially being destroyed because of his.

Walt was ready to turn himself in, thinking, "Okay, fine. I will pay for my actions." Jesse was ready to die, thinking, "Okay, fine. This is my punishment for my sins."

But it finally hit home with both of them that the consequences of their actions would be something worse than their own suffering.
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There are 10 dead prisoners who would disagree with your theory that Walt has never ordered an execution.
What I meant was ordering someone to be executed right in front of him.

Before, he was more like Lydia: "Do what needs to be done. I don't want to see it."

He asked Jesse to kill Gale. He rigged Tio's wheelchair to kill Gus. He had the Aryan Brotherhood arrange the deaths of the 10 prisoners. And the hit on Jesse was already in place before he asked the Brotherhood to kill him in this episode.

All of those times he had a justification for some external force pressuring him to take action.

But in this episode, I think he wanted Jesse killed simply because he wanted him to die. And he wanted to watch.
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I wonder what Jesse was thinking after Walt, once again, came out on top against his immediate antagonists. I'm remembering how Jesse was both in awe of, and afraid of, Walt because Jesse said (something to the effect of) Walt always wins. And here Jesse thought Walt had finally lost, and Jesse made it happen, and then, oops! Then Jesse is hiding under the car as Hank gets shot in the head, and then Walt yells "Pinkman" and points to where he is hiding!
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It seemed like the shootout was over a lot quicker in this episode than in the last episode.
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Did I miss something? The only shootout I saw in this episode was a brief clip of last weeks shootout in the opening "Previously on Breaking Bad" segment.
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One final thought before going to bed..

(And this is NOT a defense of Walt.. just a defense of character consistency)

After rewatching it, the harsh harsh harsh act of not only executing Jesse but also rubbing salt in the wound by telling him about Jane can be seen as a pure rage lashing out by Walt because of what has just happened.

He was tricked by Jesse to drive out into the desert. He was betrayed by Jesse who went to Hank. Hank (a member of his family) was just killed. And now Walt is losing most of his money to guys with swastikas on their hands. All of that happened as a result of Jesse calling him to the desert. Because of that call, Hank is dead now. Rage.

Before he ordered Jesse's death but said he was like family and to make it quick and painless. Now he wanted it to hurt - because of rage.

I think that the fact that it's RAGE that makes him tell Jesse about Jane (rather than it being "Walt is just pure evil now - that's all he does") makes other scenes still possible (like him saving his family on that call). I find it far more compelling to see Walt as someone who's done awful awful things but still thinks the same way that others think, rather than that he's become some unrecognizable foreign monster of evil that no one can even slightly comprehend.

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Did I miss something? The only shootout I saw in this episode was a brief clip of last weeks shootout in the opening "Previously on Breaking Bad" segment.
You missed the sound.. The show started with the flashback to their first cook, then Walt faded away, then Jesse and the RV did. Then it cut to commercial.

When we came back, it was the same shot, but then cars faded in, and we heard the entire shootout super-quick (like 4-5 seconds tops).
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You missed the sound.. The show started with the flashback to their first cook, then Walt faded away, then Jesse and the RV did. Then it cut to commercial.

When we came back, it was the same shot, but then cars faded in, and we heard the entire shootout super-quick (like 4-5 seconds tops).
I don't think that was supposed to be the entire shootout. Just a representation of the shootout so that we know where in time we were. It was probably supposed to be the last bit of it.
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I think that the fact that it's RAGE that makes him tell Jesse about Jane (rather than it being "Walt is just pure evil now - that's all he does") makes other scenes still possible (like him saving his family on that call). I find it far more compelling to see Walt as someone who's done awful awful things but still thinks the same way that others think, rather than that he's become some unrecognizable foreign monster of evil that no one can even slightly comprehend.
I think that's what makes Breaking Bad as a whole compelling. Even if we don't agree with the characters' justifications for their actions, we at least find it believable that they feel justified about making those choices.

The Aryan Brotherhood are about the closest to "pure evil" characters that are on the show, but even they have "considerate Todd" going for them.

This episode contrasted where things started to where they are now, and the stark difference was not created by any character "turning to evil", but rather by making concessions to their morality little by little because the "ends justified the means".

Most evil in the world is not committed by villains who wish to commit evil for evil's sake, but by people who have slowly made their way down a dark path. And as their eyes adjust to the darkness, things don't seem quite so bad.

It's too bad Vince didn't write the Star Wars prequels. I think he could have made Vader's turn much more compelling.
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Fantastic episode, my big questions are did Saul set up the guy for Walt to disappear and did Saul disappear as well. Walt sure took a risk waiting by the road with his barrel. Jesse is living in pure hell now especially knowing about Jayne. If Walts cover for Skylar works I don't see how Marie can even be around her even if she buys the cover, she probably will for the kids sake

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If a mother grabs he baby and runs out of the house would they do an Amber alert?
Yes, just last week here in Indiana, a mother who had just lost custody took her daughter and ran. They issued an Amber Alert. She later turned herself in.

http://www.whas11.com/news/indiana/M...223684411.html


Great episode!

I too missed the intent of the phone call but can clearly see it now.

And yes, it was definitely "Let's cook!"
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Plus, it did have to be convincing enough to fool police, prosecuting attorneys, and potentially juries. Having Holly helped sell it too (and it put Skyler in the right frame of mind for when the cops got there). She <I>felt</I> like the victim there - Walt just took her baby.
He had to take Holly to ensure an adequate police presence when he called Skyler.
Otherwise they could have simply written up a domestic disturbance and left the White residence before he had a chance to complete that call.
He needed as many witnesses to that conversation as possible.
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I was hoping they would somehow fit in "Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!", but alas, it was only implied.
You mean Walt actually quoting the poem as dialog within the episode? Or more like a voiceover, as though the pre-season promo were an actual clip from the show? I guess I wasn't really expecting either of those.

As it was, I'd say the opening scene, with the RV disappearing into the desert, was a pretty good allusion. There's also this:


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Add me to the list of those who didn't realize the full intent of the phone call until reading here...
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I think Walt had the rage towards Jesse because he dragged Walt's family into the mess more than they were before. Walt knew that Hank knew that he was Heisenberg, but couldn't prove it. With Jesse there was enough to get even Gomez into it.

That said, it was interesting to see Walt be - as someone said - have so much RAGE at Jesse. To out him to the Arayan guys, to order the execution and to tell him about Jane.

After doing all the reading about why Walt talked to Skylar on the phone the way he did, it made me wonder if Walt did it to change the way the Arayans - and it seemed it worked for Todd - see Jesse.

I guess not, but there is a small sliver of hope that there is a Jesse/Walt makeup scene at the end and they go out like Butch and Sundance.

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Walt was ready to turn himself in, thinking, "Okay, fine. I will pay for my actions." Jesse was ready to die, thinking, "Okay, fine. This is my punishment for my sins."

But it finally hit home with both of them that the consequences of their actions would be something worse than their own suffering.
Good call. I felt it but couldn't put that in words, but that certainly makes sense.

Walt's face as he calls Skylar is memorable. The crying and the screaming are not for the same reason. There is definitely something in Skylar's eyes when Walt starts getting harsher and harsher. She knows that even at his worst he wouldn't say those things, and it was for her to be able to spin to the cops what really happened to keep her out of it. The thing is with Marie there, it is much tougher.
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http://www.whas11.com/news/indiana/M...223684411.html


Great episode!

I too missed the intent of the phone call but can clearly see it now.

And yer, it was definitely "Let's cook!"
Just as Walt says to Jesse and Jesse has said to Walt over the years. And in all types of situations.
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I don't think that was supposed to be the entire shootout. Just a representation of the shootout so that we know where in time we were. It was probably supposed to be the last bit of it.
Agreed...Hank and Gomie were moving around way too much during the shoot-out (and yelling at each other way too much) for it to have been that short. That was just the tail end.
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I knew something was up with the phone call, but I couldn't quite put my finger on it. I don't feel bad, though - he fooled all those police, fooling us is just proof that he was believable.

I think Heisenberg/Walter White is my favorite TV character ever. What do you do after this if you're Cranston???

I also believe the shots in the the beginning were just meant to put us back at present time, and not show the whole shootout.

This has been the most satisfying final season to any show I've ever watched. There have been slow episodes here and there over the course of the series, but never the feeling that there was no direction, or jumping of the shark. I can't imagine them dropping the ball now.
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He had to take Holly to ensure an adequate police presence when he called Skyler.
Otherwise they could have simply written up a domestic disturbance and left the White residence before he had a chance to complete that call.
He needed as many witnesses to that conversation as possible.
While I'm 100% certain that Walt was intentionally giving Skylar an "out" in his phone call to her, and I'm 80% sure that she picked up on it, I'm 95% sure that Walt taking Holly with him was not part of some plan, not even one formulated in the heat of the moment as he fled the house. He took her because she was the only member of his family that he could get to go with him. It wasn't until he was changing her, and she called out for her Mama, that he decided he would have to continue on without her.

Also: while it may sound odd to say it, I thought Holly did some mighty fine acting in this episode. Normally, small children totally kill the moment, for me (e.g. Harrison, on Dexter - that kid couldn't act his way off a treadmill). But in this episode, Holly totally nailed her performance.
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I'm 95% sure that Walt taking Holly with him was not part of some plan, not even one formulated in the heat of the moment as he fled the house. He took her because she was the only member of his family that he could get to go with him. It wasn't until he was changing her, and she called out for her Mama, that he decided he would have to continue on without her.
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New Harrison is terrible! Hehe...off a treadmill!
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I knew something was up with the phone call, but I couldn't quite put my finger on it. I don't feel bad, though - he fooled all those police, fooling us is just proof that he was believable.
It reminds me of Newsroom, where they had a video-doctoring storyline, and in order to make it obvious enough for "the average viewer," they made it so obvious no professional (like the entire cast of the show) would ever fall for it.

Clearly, Breaking Bad either trusts its audience more, or is more willing to go over their heads (or both).
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Also: while it may sound odd to say it, I thought Holly did some mighty fine acting in this episode. Normally, small children totally kill the moment, for me (e.g. Harrison, on Dexter - that kid couldn't act his way off a treadmill). But in this episode, Holly totally nailed her performance.
(Not sure if you're serious, but...) I was wondering about the baby. It was pretty obvious that the verbal stuff was dubbed. I wonder if there was any computer enhancement on the facial expressions? Because that scene did seem far too perfect for, well, somebody who is pretty much incapable of taking direction.
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Old 09-16-2013, 09:14 AM   #120
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I'm 95% sure that Walt taking Holly with him was not part of some plan, not even one formulated in the heat of the moment as he fled the house. He took her because she was the only member of his family that he could get to go with him. It wasn't until he was changing her, and she called out for her Mama, that he decided he would have to continue on without her.
I totally agree with this. She was the only "family" left that didn't turn on him, and maybe for just a moment, he thought he could "start over" with just the two of them.. but realized that was not the right thing to do "for his family".

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Walt Jr. broke bad in this episode. He told the police that his father had pulled a knife on his mom, but she was the one who had pulled it on Walt.
Hardly. Calling 911 on his crazed father he just found out is a wanted drug lord and responsible for killing Uncle Hank, saying Walt pulled the knife... and that's "breaking bad"? Please.
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