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Old 09-10-2013, 08:21 PM   #301
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Maybe already mentioned...

But there is another potential wildcard to be played involving Jesse and Todd.

Jesse circles around to pick up Walt's revolver and continues on to attempt to get the drop on Todd. Equal chances of it ending badly for either one or both of them. (or some such similar lunacy)
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Old 09-10-2013, 10:18 PM   #302
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I was initially annoyed by AMC making you watch the horrendous show that follows BB in order to see clips from next week's ep, but now I appreciate it because I go into each episode not knowing a single frame (well, maybe ONE frame if they decide to show a pic on Talking Bad)...
This. I can't stand to watch the Winter show just to see a preview which really isn't a preview anyway. So I go into the episode not knowing what to expect and enjoy it.
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Old 09-10-2013, 10:40 PM   #303
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Jesse circles around to pick up Walt's revolver and continues on to attempt to get the drop on Todd. Equal chances of it ending badly for either one or both of them. (or some such similar lunacy)
Jesse would have to be an expert shot with Walt's old-school 6-shooter revolver in order to take out every one of the Aryan group. Todd is hardly the most bad-ass of the group. He'd need to take out the leader (Todd's uncle) and the dude who took the first shots with the machine gun. And Jesse would have to do this from a distance, and have a perfect shot to take them both out. Then have 3 or 4 shots left to take out Todd and the rest. I know this is TV and not reality, but seriously, I don't see this happening without major suspension of disbelief.
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Old 09-10-2013, 10:49 PM   #304
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I was initially annoyed by AMC making you watch the horrendous show that follows BB in order to see clips from next week's ep, but now I appreciate it because I go into each episode not knowing a single frame (well, maybe ONE frame if they decide to show a pic on Talking Bad)...
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This. I can't stand to watch the Winter show just to see a preview which really isn't a preview anyway. So I go into the episode not knowing what to expect and enjoy it.
Same here. Made it VERY easy to not watch previews.
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Old 09-10-2013, 11:22 PM   #305
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Maybe already mentioned...

But there is another potential wildcard to be played involving Jesse and Todd.

Jesse circles around to pick up Walt's revolver and continues on to attempt to get the drop on Todd. Equal chances of it ending badly for either one or both of them. (or some such similar lunacy)
Gomez picked up Walt's pistol.

I think. I'll watch that scene again.
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Old 09-11-2013, 12:15 AM   #306
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Jesse would have to be an expert shot with Walt's old-school 6-shooter revolver in order to take out every one of the Aryan group. Todd is hardly the most bad-ass of the group. He'd need to take out the leader (Todd's uncle) and the dude who took the first shots with the machine gun. And Jesse would have to do this from a distance, and have a perfect shot to take them both out. Then have 3 or 4 shots left to take out Todd and the rest. I know this is TV and not reality, but seriously, I don't see this happening without major suspension of disbelief.
Note I clearly stated "ending badly" for one or both of them. Also nothing to do with taking out the whole crew either. JUST Todd. (vengeance for spider boy ya know??)
(it's a "5-shooter" too btw, RUGER LCR 38 special)

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Gomez picked up Walt's pistol.

I think. I'll watch that scene again.
Quite possible, I have no memory of it being collected though.

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Old 09-11-2013, 01:35 AM   #307
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Jesse would have to be an expert shot with Walt's old-school 6-shooter revolver in order to take out every one of the Aryan group. Todd is hardly the most bad-ass of the group. He'd need to take out the leader (Todd's uncle) and the dude who took the first shots with the machine gun. And Jesse would have to do this from a distance, and have a perfect shot to take them both out. Then have 3 or 4 shots left to take out Todd and the rest. I know this is TV and not reality, but seriously, I don't see this happening without major suspension of disbelief.
Not to mention that a gun with a barrel that short is probably not very accurate past 15-20 feet, so Jesse would have to sneak away, get the gun (which probably isn't there because Gomey has it), then sneak back to within 20 feet of Todd in order to be able to use the gun.
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Old 09-11-2013, 07:20 AM   #308
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Maybe...

I don't think they have vests on, but they might.

Even if they do, however, they get shot and if TV and movies taught me anything, you get shot with a vest on and you are winded for 5-10 minutes and pretty incapacitated. And your gun goes flying off, out of reach.
After they get shot, they take off the body armor because they "can't breathe" and then get shot again, this time fatally. I never understood this because the fact that your body armor just stopped a round is good evidence you should keep it on.

Anyway, most rifle rounds will zip through body armor as if it wasn't there unless they were wearing hard armor ("rifle plates"). It's hard to wear such armor inconspicuously.
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Old 09-11-2013, 07:24 AM   #309
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I was initially annoyed by AMC making you watch the horrendous show that follows BB in order to see clips from next week's ep, but now I appreciate it because I go into each episode not knowing a single frame (well, maybe ONE frame if they decide to show a pic on Talking Bad)...
Horrendous? I think Low Winter Sun is pretty damn good.
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Old 09-11-2013, 08:12 AM   #310
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Gomez picked up Walt's pistol.

I think. I'll watch that scene again.
Uncdrew, you might be wrong.

If anyone is watching again or wants to check, it's right after Hank cuffs Walt. The immediate next scene shows Gomez put what looks like a pistol in his pocket.

But we know he was holding a shotgun (or whatever it is called). And it wouldn't appear to have been enough time to walk over and get Walt's gun. So I'm torn. One of me thinks he got Walt's pistol, one of me doesn't.

I'd be interested in others' opinions.
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Old 09-11-2013, 08:34 AM   #311
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Horrendous? I think Low Winter Sun is pretty damn good.
What makes it a compelling watch for you? I've sat through the first two episodes and I can't find a desire to watch any more of it. It's just not interesting to me. And I admit to a big pushback simply because of the way the network is trying to manipulate me to watch it by moving previews of what I want to watch to later commercial breaks, et. Al. That really doesn't help market it. But still, I tried it.
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Old 09-11-2013, 08:39 AM   #312
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Gomez did not pick up Walt's gun. At least on screen.

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Going frame by frame, Gomez does have a revolver, and he is unloading it. But that video segment seems like an anomaly. Gomez has his shotgun on his back, but he was supposed to be covering Walt for Hank. And Walt dropped his revolver way back across the field, so there was no time for Gomez to go get it. I think the showrunners screwed up.



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Old 09-11-2013, 08:57 AM   #313
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I'd just like to point out that Jesse has been seen spending a lot of time with his Playstation light pistol. Foreshadowing that he's become a crack shot?
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Old 09-11-2013, 08:59 AM   #314
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That was closer to the time of and more to do with the Boetticher murder, I think.
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Old 09-11-2013, 09:15 AM   #315
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Gomez did not pick up Walt's gun. At least on screen.

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Going frame by frame, Gomez does have a revolver, and he is unloading it. But that video segment seems like an anomaly. Gomez has his shotgun on his back, but he was supposed to be covering Walt for Hank. And Walt dropped his revolver way back across the field, so there was no time for Gomez to go get it. I think the showrunners screwed up.

Thanks. I agree.

I think my head just went to "Ok, once Walt is safely apprehended the next step is for one of them to go get the gun he dropped."

Then I see Gomez with a pistol, seemingly out of nowhere. I just concluded that he went to get the gun. Watching it again it's hard to think there was time for that.

Guess it was a screw up by the producers. Screw this show. I'm out.
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Old 09-11-2013, 09:18 AM   #316
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That was closer to the time of and more to do with the Boetticher murder, I think.
And the time he went to Mexico with mike and Gus.

Going back earlier in the thread, I thought the entire scene with huell and hank was hilarious, "nice poker face", but in a different way than Saul at the car wash.

When did Walt learn to dirt track drift race? While on the phone? I was waiting for him to crash, and that would prevent him from leading Jesse/hank/gomie to the money.
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Old 09-11-2013, 09:19 AM   #317
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Screw this show. I'm out.
It's getting to be as bad as Under the Dome!
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Old 09-11-2013, 09:32 AM   #318
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How about this spec:

Hank and Gomie die. Walt knows two DEA agents, including an ASAC, going missing, is going to bring an impossible amount of heat down on him. He stages his own death and releases the "confession" video (media? APD?) that he never wanted to have to use. Flees to NH with the vacuum cleaner repair man. Marie loses everything and goes bat crazier.

He has to return because Jesse/Marie/Lydia are threatening his final plan somehow. Carol drops her groceries when she sees Walt because the news media has been reporting "Drug Kingpin DEA ASAC Schneider kills brother-in-law and Agent Gomez, is still at large."
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Old 09-11-2013, 09:34 AM   #319
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Thanks. I agree.

I think my head just went to "Ok, once Walt is safely apprehended the next step is for one of them to go get the gun he dropped."

Then I see Gomez with a pistol, seemingly out of nowhere. I just concluded that he went to get the gun. Watching it again it's hard to think there was time for that.

Guess it was a screw up by the producers. Screw this show. I'm out.
Nah - you don't have to stop watching. Everything can be explained.


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Todd's lovesickness to Lydia is going to come into play at some point. They're not doing all this creepy Todd stuff for no reason. Of all the little threads, this is the one that I'm most excited about and am betting a lot of dominos will fall because of that one thread...
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Old 09-11-2013, 09:54 AM   #321
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Gomie certainly picked up Walt's pistol.
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Old 09-11-2013, 09:57 AM   #322
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Horrendous? I think Low Winter Sun is pretty damn good.
I'm still on the fence about LWS...it's a very dark show (mood-wise), and I'm trying to hang in there. I do like it...


NOW...back to our regularly-scheduled programming.
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Old 09-11-2013, 09:58 AM   #323
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Nah - you don't have to stop watching. Everything can be explained.

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So I read part of the thread and realized (not sure if it was mentioned didnt read all 11 pages) the people shooting at Hank should of got back in one SUV/Truck and drove around in flank position or heck just run them over but maybe that will happen beginning of next episode !!!!!
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It's getting to be as bad as Under the Dome!
Wait - isn't that the show about the ordinary guy who gets involved in a drug plan and winds up getting deeper and deeper every week and starts killing people to protect his empire?

These aren't the same shows?
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Wait - isn't that the show featuring Dean Norris about the ordinary guy who gets involved in a drug plan and winds up getting deeper and deeper every week and starts killing people to protect his empire?

These aren't the same shows?
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So I read part of the thread and realized (not sure if it was mentioned didnt read all 11 pages) the people shooting at Hank should of got back in one SUV/Truck and drove around in flank position or heck just run them over but maybe that will happen beginning of next episode !!!!!
With that many guys, the fire power they had, and ANY training....the would be easily able to overtake and flank them....even without having to get into a vehicle.
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There's no need for flanking unless they wanted to catch Hank and Gomey by surprise. With the way it played out, with the AB thinking they were showing up to just Jesse and Walt, and with the way it actually turned out, with just two guys with the wrong types of weapons for the situation, there was no need for flanking. Uncle Jack, Todd, and crew should have been able to take Hank and Gomey out within seconds, without the need for firing hundreds of rounds and putting Walt in danger.
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... I'm torn. One of me thinks he got Walt's pistol, one of me doesn't.
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... Guess it was a screw up by the producers. Screw this show. I'm out.
Since one of you is out, that leaves one more of you to continue enjoying the show!
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Since one of you is out, that leaves one more of you to continue enjoying the show!
Phew! I'm really eager to see how this all pans out.

I'm hoping it was all just a bad dream... of Marie's...
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