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Old 09-08-2013, 11:10 PM   #31
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No way Hank, Gomez, or Jesse live through that.
Yup. Dead. I was pretty urge Hank would die. He's been a pain.
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Old 09-08-2013, 11:12 PM   #32
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They don't know his money is there...at the moment, anyway.
For a moment, I hoped Walt lead Jesse and them to a different location.

So what is Walt under arrest for? Driving on sacred Indian burial grounds?
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Old 09-08-2013, 11:15 PM   #33
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For a moment, I hoped Walt lead Jesse and them to a different location.

So what is Walt under arrest for? Driving on sacred Indian burial grounds?
Well all the stuff that he yelled into the phone at Jesse was before the Miranda so I wondered if it could be used against him.
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Also interesting is now that Marie received affection from Hank with the assurance that Walt is in cuffs and the end to her nightmare is close, what will happen with her?

Will she go off the deep end, forcing someone to kill her?

Will she try to kill Walt or Skylar?

Will she collapse into depression, effectively ending her role in the series?
She sinks into depression and insanity and we last see her in a mental institution playing with a snow globe of an RV in the desert. (ala st. elsewhere)
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Old 09-08-2013, 11:19 PM   #35
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Well all the stuff that he yelled into the phone at Jesse was before the Miranda so I wondered if it could be used against him.
Probably enough, yes. He said he poisoned the boy, for sure.
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Old 09-08-2013, 11:23 PM   #36
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Maybe Marie's the one who trashes Walt's house? Who else would at this point?
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Old 09-08-2013, 11:23 PM   #37
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Probably enough, yes. He said he poisoned the boy, for sure.
Yeah, I went back to think about it and I guess even if it was before he was read his "rights" it didn't matter because it would just have helped the cops find evidence.

Oh, and I loved the lottery ticket in the wallet!!!
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Old 09-08-2013, 11:24 PM   #38
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I just remembered Jesse can cook almost as good as Walter. Maybe they capture both Walt and Jesse and keep Jesse and force him to cook.
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Old 09-08-2013, 11:24 PM   #39
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She sinks into depression and insanity and we last see her in a mental institution playing with a snow globe of an RV in the desert. (ala st. elsewhere)
In a purple padded room....
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Old 09-08-2013, 11:38 PM   #40
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Recording cut off too early...dammit!
I had that happen a couple seasons ago. Now I do an "add 2 minutes" to my TiVo recording and even if I get some sucky "low winter sun" I don't lose any BB.
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Old 09-08-2013, 11:43 PM   #41
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As Walt was hiding in the rocks I thought about what Jesse said to Hank and Gomie. With Walt, everything you think will happen, the exact opposite happens.This proves that once again.

Jesse's face when Hank was putting the cuffs on him was this weird happy almost smile.
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Old 09-08-2013, 11:47 PM   #42
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Old 09-08-2013, 11:51 PM   #43
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Man, not only should Hank and Gomez been killed instantly, the crew sure isn't being too careful with the vehicle Walt's in. Seems like they'd try a little harder not to accidentally whack him.
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Pretty sloppy for Walt to bury the money in the same place Jessie and him cooked in the RV. Like Gomi said, there's a whole lot of desert.
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Next episode: (not a real spoiler, just in my mind) we see Walt pry the handcuff keys from Hanks dead hands, uncuff himself then run into the desert and take his pants off.
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Old 09-09-2013, 12:00 AM   #46
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It was incredibly tense and overall an outstanding episode but to repeat what people said above the shootout was 100% unbelievable, I suspect Hank is going to survive. Lined up shots, Hank and Gomie in the open, powerful weapons and they are not even hit, yet the shoot at the car Walt is in despite desperately needing him. Ultimately it has kind of ruined the episode for me.

There were some other weak points too.

* Walt going to Brock's house, what do you think she would think when Jesse shows up dead, murdered, soon after (Though I guess he could disappear but I still think she would look for him)
* The, I assume, directors choice to have Jesse's voice on the phone call be clear as day. I understand why they did it but it took me right out of the moment.

BTW. How did they track hank. They surely couldn't have got his GPS without a warrant.

But to be clear, I still am engrossed in the story but the first episode of this final run was so outstanding that the rather obvious flaws kind of leave me feeling let down.
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The show had been portraying Walt as being willing to do anything to protect his family and his money. But now Walt calls off the hit team because Hank is there. So it seems Walt is not willing to do anything after all. He draws the line at killing his brother-in-law and another DEA agent.

Also, Walt seemed dumbed down this episode. As soon as he realized Jesse was not there, it would have been smart to get back in his car and get out of there. Failing that, Walt could have told his backup to create a distraction so Walt could slip away. Or at least explained that there were a couple DEA agents if Walt really wanted them to not come. Even coming out from behind the rock was dumb (make them search!), and coming out with the gun in his hand was even dumber.

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It was incredibly tense and overall an outstanding episode but to repeat what people said above the shootout was 100% unbelievable, I suspect Hank is going to survive. Lined up shots, Hank and Gomie in the open, powerful weapons and they are not even hit, yet the shoot at the car Walt is in despite desperately needing him. Ultimately it has kind of ruined the episode for me.

There were some other weak points too.

* Walt going to Brock's house, what do you think she would think when Jesse shows up dead, murdered, soon after (Though I guess he could disappear but I still think she would look for him)
* The, I assume, directors choice to have Jesse's voice on the phone call be clear as day. I understand why they did it but it took me right out of the moment.

BTW. How did they track hank. They surely couldn't have got his GPS without a warrant.

But to be clear, I still am engrossed in the story but the first episode of this final run was so outstanding that the rather obvious flaws kind of leave me feeling let down.
Hank has planted a GPS on Walt's car before...
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BTW. How did they track hank. They surely couldn't have got his GPS without a warrant.
It did seem that they implied they tracked his cell phone, but I agree, that should require a warrant. I cannot believe Gomez would go along with an illegal cell phone trace.
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Old 09-09-2013, 12:08 AM   #50
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I blame Walt for any and all fatalities. Those rooting for him will say he tried to stop it. Typical WW - - sets destruction in motion and then tries to justify the damage.
I disagree.

If "setting things in motion" qualifies for culpability, then Jesse is responsible for coming up with the plan in the first place as well as manipulating Walt into that situation. The only reason Walt called Todd's gang was because he thought Jesse was showing up to kill him. Had he realized before then that Jesse was working with Hank, he never would have called them. He knew that Hank would not kill him, and he wasn't willing to kill Hank.

Hank is responsible for not involving the DEA. Had he involved them, he would have had additional backup. Instead, he unlawfully kidnapped someone, and used a DEA safe house and agent for his own personal agenda.

Gomez is responsible for going along with Hank instead of going to the DEA. And he was the one doing all of Hank's "dirty work".

They all put themselves in danger, and of all the people involved in the shootout, Walt is the least responsible for that happening.

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Oh, and I loved the lottery ticket in the wallet!!!
The big problem I had with that was that I was back to questioning why he had bothered memorizing the numbers. I think they would have been better off showing him looking at the GPS coordinates, and then cutting straight to the lottery ticket on the fridge. Either that, or show him struggling memorizing the numbers, then cut to the lottery ticket on the fridge.

Now that we know that he didn't have them memorized, the whole memorize number --> smash GPS --> buy lottery ticket sequence doesn't really make much sense. Would driving to the store with a piece of paper with the "lottery numbers" written on them really have been that much more dangerous than driving from the store with the actual ticket?
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Also, if he's got the numbers on him, and something happens to him, Skylar will never find the money.
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The big problem I had with that was that I was back to questioning why he had bothered memorizing the numbers. I think they would have been better off showing him looking at the GPS coordinates, and then cutting straight to the lottery ticket on the fridge. Either that, or show him struggling memorizing the numbers, then cut to the lottery ticket on the fridge.

Now that we know that he didn't have them memorized, the whole memorize number --> smash GPS --> buy lottery ticket sequence doesn't really make much sense. Would driving to the store with a piece of paper with the "lottery numbers" written on them really have been that much more dangerous than driving from the store with the actual ticket?
And after all that bit with the lottery ticket and GPS, they were really just right back to where they started from. Jesse recognized it right away. Did Walt really NEED the GPS to get back there.
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No, but he definitely needed it to tell the Arian gang where to go.
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The Albuquerque nazi guys need to go back to the range for shooting practice.
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And after all that bit with the lottery ticket and GPS, they were really just right back to where they started from. Jesse recognized it right away. Did Walt really NEED the GPS to get back there.
That part I actually don't have a problem with. He might know how to drive there, but in order to communicate the location to someone else such as Skyler or Todd's gang, he would need the coordinates.

The next question then is, "Why did he have the ticket on him if he didn't need it?"

But that could be explained by him taking the ticket off the fridge after Jesse's attempt to burn down his house. He likely intended to find some other way to keep it safe, but hadn't figured out exactly how to go about that yet. So for the meantime, keeping it on him was the safest place.
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I blame Walt for any and all fatalities. Those rooting for him will say he tried to stop it. Typical WW - - sets destruction in motion and then tries to justify the damage. He actually said that the boy lived as if it justified poisoning him.
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I disagree.
I guess the kid was responsible for his own poisoning and Walt has nothing to do with any of carnage around him. Got it.
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This cracked me up. We haven't seen him in his tighty whities for an entire episode.
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I guess the kid was responsible for his own poisoning and Walt has nothing to do with any of carnage around him. Got it.
I don't think you did get it. I was responding to your comment about blaming Walt for all fatalities in the shootout. I didn't say anything about Brock's poisoning. Walt is 100% to blame for Brock's poisoning.

In fact, the only reason Walt isn't 100% to blame for Brock's poisoning is if we are allowed to blame people for "setting things in motion". In that case, Jesse is responsible for attempting to kill the two thugs who were working for Gus, which caused Walt to defend him, which turned Gus against Walt, which caused Gus to try to turn Jesse against Walt, which made Walt desperate enough to poison Brock to get Jesse back on his side.

All of that was set in motion because Jesse wanted revenge. What Walt "set in motion" was only in fear for his life. In fact, most of what Walt has set in motion has been in fear for his or his family's life.
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There is no way Gomez and Hank make it. Looks like Jesse slips away hopefully. That last 10 minutes was tense. You knew they were coming...

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Also interesting is now that Marie received affection from Hank with the assurance that Walt is in cuffs and the end to her nightmare is close, what will happen with her?

Will she go off the deep end, forcing someone to kill her?

Will she try to kill Walt or Skylar?

Will she collapse into depression, effectively ending her role in the series?
Replying before I catch up because this had me laughing..

Hank dies, Marie goes ballistic, and THAT is who Walt bought the machine gun to handle.

Ok, back to reading..
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For a moment, I hoped Walt lead Jesse and them to a different location.

So what is Walt under arrest for? Driving on sacred Indian burial grounds?
I was 80% sure that Walt had lost a signal talking to Jesse, then would realize that he had no signal, and that Jesse couldn't have a signal way out there in the desert either, and realize he was being played.

I thought he would stop the car right on that bend, figure it out, and then drive somewhere else.
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