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Old 09-06-2013, 02:20 PM   #1
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The Fall 2013 Annual which show gets cancelled first thread.

I haven't looked close enough yet so I'll come back with my answer later. But it's always fun to speculate
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Old 09-06-2013, 02:47 PM   #2
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I'm thinking Back in the Game (ABC), or Welcome to the Family (NBC). I will give the slight edge to Back in the Game because it debuts first.
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Old 09-06-2013, 02:58 PM   #4
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Prime candidates:

The Goldbergs
Trophy Wife

I'll need to go back and review the descriptions on The Futon Critic as I suspect there are at least a few more that may not survive the first couple of weeks.
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Old 09-06-2013, 03:07 PM   #5
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I'm going with "We Are Men".
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Old 09-06-2013, 04:03 PM   #6
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Old 09-06-2013, 04:06 PM   #7
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Question: what definition of "cancelled" is being used? No, it's not a rehash of the old "cancelled vs. not renewed" argument ("The Cleveland Show wasn't 'cancelled'; it just wasn't renewed"); I mean, if a show is put on hiatus for a planned burnoff at some later date (for example, 666 Park Avenue), does that count?

I'm going to go for a longshot - Dads. (My second choice is Back in the Game.) Now that The Cleveland Show is out of production and American Dad will be off the Fox schedule next season (it's moving new episodes to TBS), Seth MacFarlane doesn't have the pull that he used to. I wouldn't be surprised if he's trying to get Dads into the post-Super Bowl timeslot. (It's still New Girl and "one of the new shows" (possibly the premiere of Murder Police), the last I heard about it.)
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Old 09-06-2013, 06:16 PM   #8
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First show pulled from its normal schedule. Doesn't matter if they plan on a later burn-off, or move it to a "new" time. Once a show has been pulled from its premier slot (or regular slot), it's Dead Man Walking.

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Old 09-06-2013, 06:21 PM   #9
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Fox's "Dads" gets my vote. Looks horrible, and Seth MacFarlane got absolutely savaged at the TCAs.
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Old 09-06-2013, 08:00 PM   #10
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I'm thinking "Back in the Game"-I saw a commercial for it, and it looked more like a "Hallmark Hall of Fame" movie than a series-do they really think it's going to last?
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I'm thinking "Back in the Game"-I saw a commercial for it, and it looked more like a "Hallmark Hall of Fame" movie than a series-do they really think it's going to last?
My guess is, they're going to try to sell it as the next Bad News Bears (which, IIRC, lasted a season, but with a retcon from the movie - this version won its league championship game; I think the last scene was setting up something similar to the game in The Bad News Bears in Breaking Training, but at Dodger Stadium instead of the Astrodome).
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My guess is, they're going to try to sell it as the next Bad News Bears (which, IIRC, lasted a season, but with a retcon from the movie - this version won its league championship game; I think the last scene was setting up something similar to the game in The Bad News Bears in Breaking Training, but at Dodger Stadium instead of the Astrodome).
I watched the pilot the other night and it def has a BNB vibe to it. Having seen it and Trophy Wife, I didn't think either pilot was very good, but I give a slight edge to Trophy Wife to last longer.
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Old 09-06-2013, 10:34 PM   #13
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Fox's "Dads" gets my vote. Looks horrible, and Seth MacFarlane got absolutely savaged at the TCAs.
Same here. Critical comments from TCA were scathing, as you indicate.
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Old 09-06-2013, 10:39 PM   #14
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"Dads" might last a bit longer because of the publicity-bad or good, it's publicity...

"Trophy Wife" does look terrible, but Malin Ackerman is funny and if the child actors are any good it might last for a few eps...

The retooling of "Bad News Bears" (the movie) was a bomb, and "Back in the Game" looks like one too...man, I would hate to see what the networks rejected....
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Same here. Critical comments from TCA were scathing, as you indicate.
But that may, it least initially, get eyes on it. Some of the comments made looked like they had never seen McFarland's work. Nothing I've seen of Dads looks any worse than what he pulls on Family Guy.
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But that may, it least initially, get eyes on it. Some of the comments made looked like they had never seen McFarland's work. Nothing I've seen of Dads looks any worse than what he pulls on Family Guy.
The difference being that this time, Seth Greene actually has to carry a show. Kiss of death right there.
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Just finished watching The Goldbergs, it plays like The Wonder Years, but in the 80's.
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The difference being that this time, Seth Greene actually has to carry a show. Kiss of death right there.
Based on?

The only show I recall him taking lead on is Greg the Bunny, and that was years ago.

I think it will depend on the supporting cast too, and Martin Mull is no slouch, he does well with "edgy".
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Old 09-07-2013, 05:06 AM   #20
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Welcome to the Family for comedy. Sleepy Hollow on the drama side.



On a side note, I love these ABC promo photos. They look like they're cobbled together from a bunch of individual photos of each actor and then Photoshopped in front of the background image.


None of these people have ever met or even been in the same room together.
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None of these people have ever met or even been in the same room together.
Must have made making the shows an interesting experience...

But yeah, those pix are pretty bad...they look more like "This is what we're thinking, guys; what do you think?" than "Put out a press release!"
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I'm going with Sleepy Hollow. I give it two weeks, then gone.
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Really? Does Fox still do that?

I've gotten the impression that lately, especially with genre shows, they've been absurdly generous in giving them a chance...
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Fox generally doesn't axe a show as quickly as ABC or NBC. Pretty much anything on those two networks will likely go first. The execs at those networks are like the panel on The Gong Show. If they don't see the numbers they expect after the first week or two you can kiss that show goodbye. It's a good thing these idiots weren't in charge when Seinfeld or M.A.S.H. first aired because neither show would have survived past the first season. New shows rarely get the chance to develop a large enough fan base to justify keeping it. A lot of shows don't really gel until the 2nd season and most people learn about them via word of mouth. The network execs essentially put out a gag order if they don't see the numbers immediately.

There's no guarantee than a show that gets pulled from the fall lineup prematurely will actually get cancelled. Revolution supposedly got cancelled during the fall season and they stopped showing the series. They aired the final episodes at the end of the winter season, which isn't that unusual. What is unusual is that it got renewed for a 2nd season after the remaining episodes were aired. Go figure.
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Really? Does Fox still do that?
I think they'll do it if it is clearly a DOA, and I think that one will be. I haven't seen even a hint of a buzz from the genre audience, and I don't think it will market well to *any* audience, genre or no.

The idea of a modern day Legend of Sleepy Hollow might be an interesting movie or miniseries, but an ongoing series? I don't see it.
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But Fox has on several occasions kept a show on the air despite historically low numbers. Sometimes even giving it a second season (and yes, Terminator had a studio that was desperate to keep it on the air, but Dollhouse didn't), or third, or fourth (I'm lookin' at YOU, Fringe!).

They've gone from the BiH Network to the Showrunner's Best Friend Network. I think they'll give it a chance to catch on, even if it launches badly. And then after a while, they'll move it to Friday and renew it for another season. THEN they'll pull the plug.
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I think they'll do it if it is clearly a DOA, and I think that one will be. I haven't seen even a hint of a buzz from the genre audience, and I don't think it will market well to *any* audience, genre or no.

The idea of a modern day Legend of Sleepy Hollow might be an interesting movie or miniseries, but an ongoing series? I don't see it.
It had a pretty big presence at San Diego comic con and the pilot screening had a large turnout with a very enthusiastic audience reaction. While that isn't always a sure sign of a hit it is a good sign. Unlike the turnout for the panel and screening of the Tomorrow People which had a low turnout for the pilot screening and a less then great reaction from the audience.
The Sleepy Hollow pilot has also gotten mostly positive reviews from critics.
I think it is going to be a moderate success.
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I haven't looked close enough yet so I'll come back with my answer later. But it's always fun to speculate
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A "politically correct" Ironside. agree
Hmm. I could read between the lines here...
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