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Old 08-28-2013, 04:00 PM   #271
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Old 08-28-2013, 04:35 PM   #272
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Better one though he looks more like Jesse here.

I was searching pics and found a couple of him with longish hair. Interesting. I also watching a movie called Last House on the Left and he was a bad dude in that. Ironically he got his face beat up in that movie and looked more like Jesse then.


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Old 08-28-2013, 05:31 PM   #273
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I was searching pics and found a couple of him with longish hair. Interesting. I also watching a movie called Last House on the Left and he was a bad dude in that. Ironically he got his face beat up in that movie and looked more like Jesse then.
I had just seen him as the smarmy Mormon guy in Big Love when I watched him in the Breaking Bad pilot, and my first reaction was "This guy? C'mon." But he won me over pretty quickly. The different roles just proves what a great actor he is.
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Old 08-29-2013, 12:50 AM   #274
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My rewatch is all Slaughterhouse Five style - I'm watching a few scenes here and there out of order.

Just saw the desert scene again.

1) Didn't notice Saul'a license plate before.. LWYRUP.

2) While I agree with Jessee that Walt was obviously acting in Walt's best interest at the beginning of that conversation, I gotta disagree with whoever said that they thought a look of Walt's indicated that he was considering snapping Jesse's neck. Absolutely no way. Rewatch the scene.
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Old 08-29-2013, 06:52 AM   #275
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....1) Didn't notice Saul'a license plate before.. LWYRUP.
Yeah, and I think we've seen that before if I'm not mistaken...

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....2) While I agree with Jessee that Walt was obviously acting in Walt's best interest at the beginning of that conversation, I gotta disagree with whoever said that they thought a look of Walt's indicated that he was considering snapping Jesse's neck. Absolutely no way. Rewatch the scene...
And I agree with this...when the hug first began, I wondered, but as it continued to unfold, it was VERY apparent that was NOT the case.
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Old 08-29-2013, 07:34 AM   #276
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And I agree with this...when the hug first began, I wondered, but as it continued to unfold, it was VERY apparent that was NOT the case.
Yes. On the other hand, there's not much doubt in my mind that there was not an ounce of sincerity on Walt's part...he was straight-out trying to manipulate Jesse. It wasn't sinister, it was just awkward...and as I suggested earlier, Walt just ain't the hugging type. He isn't as good at it as he would have needed to be to really sell it.
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Old 08-29-2013, 09:52 AM   #277
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Agreed. No malice, all manipulation.
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Old 08-29-2013, 10:23 AM   #278
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Yes. On the other hand, there's not much doubt in my mind that there was not an ounce of sincerity on Walt's part...he was straight-out trying to manipulate Jesse. It wasn't sinister, it was just awkward...and as I suggested earlier, Walt just ain't the hugging type. He isn't as good at it as he would have needed to be to really sell it.
It really is interesting how some people can get entirely opposite opinions of what's going on than others, watching the same scenes.

Jesse is like a son to Walt. Though that's part of the problem... son vs. partner. Walt's never been good at showing his emotions to anyone.
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Old 08-29-2013, 10:26 AM   #279
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I agree. Jesse is family to him. He wouldn't anymore kill him than he's willing to do Hank. That isn't saying he's not willing to manipulate and ruin their lives to keep himself afloat.
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Old 08-29-2013, 10:51 AM   #280
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Interesting discussion about that scene on this week's podcast. Aaron Paul said they filmed it several different ways: one with Jesse fighting to get away from Walt the whole time, one with Jesse not fighting but clearly realizing that Walt is manipulating him, one where Jesse just breaks down and sobs, etc. Aaron actually didn't even know which one they ultimately used in the final cut until he was doing the podcast, which is hosted by the show's editor.

So that tells me that in the script, there wasn't a clear description of what the emotions were supposed to be for that scene, and they just decided to try several different ways and see what worked the best.
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I liked their call.
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Old 08-29-2013, 11:06 AM   #282
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Jesse is like a son to Walt.
And look at how he treated his son in this episode.

I do agree that Walt truly cares for Jesse, just like he meant everything he said to Walt Jr. But his interactions with them were motivated more by convenience than concern.
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Old 08-29-2013, 12:53 PM   #283
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I liked their call.
I didn't. I think it would have been much more powerful had Jesse hugged him back. Jesse falling for it one last time.

His anger at realizing the ricin ruse would have been that much more powerful (even if the ruse happened long before they hugged). But what we feel now for Jesse would have been much more heartbreaking.
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Old 08-29-2013, 06:21 PM   #284
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While we anxiously await the next episode, let's reflect back on the relationship between "Seinfeld" and "Breaking Bad" ...


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Old 08-29-2013, 06:53 PM   #285
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I agree. Jesse is family to him. He wouldn't anymore kill him than he's willing to do Hank. That isn't saying he's not willing to manipulate and ruin their lives to keep himself afloat.
I disagree. I think Walt is willing and able to kill both Hank and Jesse. Walt is overwhelmingly driven by his sense of self preservation. He will do anything it takes to stay on top and stay alive. Mass murder. Poisoning a child. Lying to everyone about everything.

He is not at the point where he will kill family but only because he thinks he can control Jesse and that he is smarter than Hank. He still feels like he's in control and that he can outwit his opponent. I have no doubt if Jesse had not been interested in the relocation package, then he would have had a more permanent trip to Belize.
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Which makes what happens next interesting (now that Jesse is staying, and not at all aligned with Walt)...
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Old 08-29-2013, 07:34 PM   #287
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I don't think the comparison can be extended out too far without breaking, but I heard an interesting observation that Breaking Bad is analogous to Hamlet, with Jesse as Hamlet, Walt as King Claudius, and Skinny Pete and Badger as Rosencrantz and Guildenstern, and Skylar as Gertrude (who is poisoned and dies - wonder if Skylar has some ricin in her future). I could see Saul as Polonius, too. It kind of works, if you squint and ignore all the places where it doesn't.
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Old 08-29-2013, 07:48 PM   #288
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IIRC, Hamlet, Laertes, Ophelia, Polonius, Claudius, and Gertrude, and even Rosencrantz and Guildenstern, all die. Everyone dies!

BTW, you forgot to cast Laertes and Ophelia (and Horatio). Ophelia is obvious. I might have made Jesse Laertes and Hank Hamlet, but none of them fit very well. As you implied, the whole thing is rather forced. At least whoever you cast as Horatio gets to live.

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To everyone mentioning that Walt poisoned a kid... ..while technically true (since he gave the kid Lillies of the Valley), Walt did at least opt for the version that wouldn't kill the kid. If he was pure evil at that point it would have been easier to use the ricin (he already had it available to him, and could have given it to the kid a few days later than he did with the Lillies of the Valley).
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IIRC, Hamlet, Laertes, Ophelia, Polonius, Claudius, and Gertrude, and even Rosencrantz and Guildenstern, all die. Everyone dies!
Whoa ... major SPOILER ALERT there!!!
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Whoa ... major SPOILER ALERT there!!!
I believe the statute of limitations has run out on that one.
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I believe the statute of limitations has run out on that one.
KRAMER: Anyway, it's been two years. I mean isn't there like statue of limitations on that?

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I had just seen him as the smarmy Mormon guy in Big Love when I watched him in the Breaking Bad pilot, and my first reaction was "This guy? C'mon." But he won me over pretty quickly. The different roles just proves what a great actor he is.
Jesse Pinkman...come on down!

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It's funny how Aaron Paul's personality is way more like Jesse than the guy he played in Big Love yet most of us who watched Big Love initially has an adjustment period to him in Breaking Bad.
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I watched "Big Love" and "Breaking Bad" at the same time and for some time had no idea that Aaron Paul was in both shows-THAT is how great an actor he is!
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It's funny how Aaron Paul's personality is way more like Jesse than the guy he played in Big Love yet most of us who watched Big Love initially has an adjustment period to him in Breaking Bad.
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It's really hard to explain because the forum parses links when you use them as example.

Take your link (I added a space to make it not parse)

https: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4Y7MSgJkjc&feature=youtube_gdata_player

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Copy that, then click the YouTunbe link in the post header (same place for bolding or images).

Enter any name you want in the box that pops up

The paste your video id "Q4Y7MSgJkjc" in this case (no quotes) where the cursor is placed.

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I didn't. I think it would have been much more powerful had Jesse hugged him back. Jesse falling for it one last time.

His anger at realizing the ricin ruse would have been that much more powerful (even if the ruse happened long before they hugged). But what we feel now for Jesse would have been much more heartbreaking.
I think it was important, though, that they demonstrated Jesse's increasing disillusionment with Walt. Some people complained that Jesse figured things out too quickly, but I think most of the pieces were already in place. What was holding him back was that he, much like Hank, had a vision of Walt that conflicted with the notion that he was capable not only of poisoning a kid, but blatantly lying about it.

Jesse had already put many of the pieces together when initially accusing Walt of poisoning Brock, but ultimately dismissed them as notions considered out of anger because "Walt could never do that". Why didn't he question the fact that Brock had coincidently gotten poisoned with a substance that evoked ricin-like symptoms at the same time as his ricin had gone missing? For the same reason that Hank didn't question Walt crashing the car right before they got to the laundry facility. It didn't fit their images of Walt.

Although Hank was primarily joking back when he asked Walt if the "W. W." in Gale's journal stood for "Walter White", I think subsciously his brain was making connections. But his picture of Walt was so different that his conscious mind dismissed any such notion as crazy. Similarly, Jesse's brain was likely subsciously making many connections as well, but his conscious mind dismissed them because he did not think Walt was capable of such things.

Ironically, Hank having such a dramatically different image of Walt probably made it easier to accept all the things Walt had done as Heisenberg once he had accepted Walt as Heisenberg. He likely felt that if Walt was capable of building a drug empire, he was capable of anything.

Jesse, on the other hand, already knew about Walt's drug activities. He had been with Walt from the beginning, and had seen him grow into Heisenberg. Walt was the wise teacher who cared for him in ways his biological father never had. Although objectively, the leap from Jesse's vision of Walt to accepting Walt's willingness to poison a kid was not as great as the leap Hank had to make, it was a much harder leap for Jesse.

Thus, I think it was important that they showed the mental statue of Walt that Jesse had built in his mind slowly being eroded away. By the time Walt asked him to leave town, it was practically, if not completely gone. Jesse knew he was being manipulated, but accepted it because starting over probably didn't seem to be that bad of an idea. And what was the alternative? To fight Walt? What good would that do him?

It was in this state that Jesse, while standing on the side of the road waiting to be picked up, realized that Huell had stolen his drugs. Pulling out his cigarettes then caused him to remember the last time he thought Huell had stolen something, and all of the connections he had made earlier came rushing back. But this time there was no "Walt could never do that" to prevent him from connecting all the dots. And now he had a reason to stay. Revenge.
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