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Old 06-17-2013, 09:44 PM   #1
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TiVo prepping nex generation DVRs

Dave Z has a good article on The Verge about the TiVo Series 5.

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TiVo is prepping a beefy six-tuner DVR that can expand beyond the 2-terabyte storage limit, making for a capacious media hub ideally suited to feed a number of TiVo Mini extenders sprinkled around the home.
http://www.theverge.com/2013/6/17/44...-to-six-tuners

I am patiently waiting to upgrade!

Series 5 - 6 tuner unit + 3 TiVo MINis
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Old 06-17-2013, 09:52 PM   #2
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"we've learned TiVo is prepping a beefy six-tuner DVR that can expand beyond the 2-terabyte storage limit"

I've been dying to buy one of the 3TB WD30EURS!
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Old 06-17-2013, 09:55 PM   #3
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Yep - me too... But I wouldn't be surprised if the 6 tuner XL model comes with the 3TB drive stock.
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Old 06-17-2013, 09:59 PM   #4
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Seagate has a new 4TB Pipeline HD about to be released, I'm sure Western Digital will follow . . . hopefully.
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Old 06-17-2013, 10:05 PM   #5
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Yeah for beyond 2 TB limit!
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Old 06-17-2013, 10:16 PM   #6
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Old 06-17-2013, 10:45 PM   #7
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Yep - me too... But I wouldn't be surprised if the 6 tuner XL model comes with the 3TB drive stock.
When it comes out, there will be options up to 3TB/450 hours. :-)
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Old 06-17-2013, 11:00 PM   #8
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Maybe the menus/UI will be 100% HD.
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Old 06-18-2013, 05:00 AM   #9
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When it comes out, there will be options up to 3TB/450 hours. :-)
Yeah, so I'm hearing there's a possibility of two versions - one with that 3TB drive you mention ("XL" ?). Also sounds like WiFi could be in the mix, but I'm waiting for more intel on that point and I'd rather use my MoCA.
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Old 06-18-2013, 06:24 AM   #10
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Nice to see Tivo is finally coming out with a box that still lags behind my HTPC (currently with 11 cablecard tuners, six ATSC tuners, no 2TB limit and no Tivo fees).
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Old 06-18-2013, 08:06 AM   #11
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Yeah, so I'm hearing there's a possibility of two versions - one with that 3TB drive you mention ("XL" ?). Also sounds like WiFi could be in the mix, but I'm waiting for more intel on that point and I'd rather use my MoCA.
It will be nice to have an RF remote with no dongle required. I'm curious whether these remotes will work with legacy boxes - guessing not.

I'm also curious to see where TiVo goes with their 'major' software release this fall. They've fallen behind in a couple of areas so I expect they might focus on improving their content recommendation associated with sports (e.g., On-screen WTW). Also still waiting on user profiles...
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Old 06-18-2013, 08:09 AM   #12
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hopefully the cpu is more powerful - still not happy with the speed of the HD menus on my premiere (much better than launch obviously...but still ****)
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hopefully the cpu is more powerful - still not happy with the speed of the HD menus on my premiere (much better than launch obviously...but still ****)
That's 100% certain. The Mini already runs circles around the Premiere boxes.
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Old 06-18-2013, 08:30 AM   #14
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With a better processor, expanded (4 tuner?) OTA support, Android, and dynamic tuner support for the Mini all coming in the fall... this feels like it'll be the first time in a long time that Tivo will be running on all cylinders.

There will always be some software issues, and there are some modernizing features they should add (profiles) but the biggest product issues will be squashed. The whole-home package will be largely complete and on adequately powerful hardware. And the RF remote is icing on the cake.
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Old 06-18-2013, 08:36 AM   #15
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Nice to see Tivo is finally coming out with a box that still lags behind my HTPC (currently with 11 cablecard tuners, six ATSC tuners, no 2TB limit and no Tivo fees).
That would make the box to expensive for retail. There is a price point to make, when you're competing against the free (in up front cost) cable company DVR.

All I need is a Plex client and I can kiss my Roku goodbye.
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Well I need another/new TiVo like I need a whole in my head but if they come out with a 4 tuner OTA version that I can buy with lifetime for under $600 I'm buying it.
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Nice to see Tivo is finally coming out with a box that still lags behind my HTPC (currently with 11 cablecard tuners, six ATSC tuners, no 2TB limit and no Tivo fees).
But you're far from being the typical consumer. The vast majority of people don't even need 6 tuners, so a new box with six tuners would probably satisfy 95%+ of the market. You could always buy a second Tivo, no need to buy extra tuners if they're not needed.

Hell, I have 6 ota tuners to record from (Series 2ST, Premiere, 3 tuner HTPC), plus a 2 tuner Dish 722K dvr. My family rarely has the need for more than 4 tuners running at a time.

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Old 06-18-2013, 09:08 AM   #18
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Looking forward to it! I'm continuing to try to tolerate my awful TWC Motorola DVR, and I will drop it like a bad habit when the new Tivos come out.
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Well I need another/new TiVo like I need a whole in my head but if they come out with a 4 tuner OTA version that I can buy with lifetime for under $600 I'm buying it.
You'll probably have to wait for refrubs to come out then. The Premiere 4 is selling for $250. No way would Tivo price a new 4 tuner ota box cheaper than that.
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Old 06-18-2013, 09:30 AM   #20
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You'll probably have to wait for refrubs to come out then. The Premiere 4 is selling for $250. No way would Tivo price a new 4 tuner ota box cheaper than that.
Why not? The Premiere 4 is $250 + $400 lifetime (with MSD) but with the current promotion that many have been emailed you can get the premiere 4 for $550 total with lifetime. Why couldn't a 4 tuner OTA box come in at $600? Technology usually gets cheaper with time not more expensive.
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Well I need another/new TiVo like I need a whole in my head but if they come out with a 4 tuner OTA version that I can buy with lifetime for under $600 I'm buying it.
I would LOVE to see a 4-tuner OTA box of some kind, but I have a feeling they will not be supporting OTA in the next Series 5s and it will most likely just be a 6-tuner digital cable only box.

I think a good option would be to have a 6-tuner TiVo, but then have an external OTA tuner hardware of some kind that would connect to its USB port. This would be an awesome option & alternative. Not sure this is the direction they will go, but I'm sure we'll find out soon.
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You'll probably have to wait for refrubs to come out then. The Premiere 4 is selling for $250. No way would Tivo price a new 4 tuner ota box cheaper than that.
That is a good point - The least expensive Tivo today is the 2 tuner TiVo @ $150. Personally, I think the new line-up will include:

P5 - 4 Tuner OTA
P5 - 4 Tuner Cable
P5 - 6 Tuner (Cable Only)
P5 - 6 Tuner XL (Cable Only)

That's it - I don't think the new line-up will include a 2 tuner option. And it would make sense for the 4 Tuner OTA/Cable options to be @ the same price point.

Any pricing guesses?
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You'll probably have to wait for refrubs to come out then. The Premiere 4 is selling for $250. No way would Tivo price a new 4 tuner ota box cheaper than that.
Well TiVo has already offered the current Premiere 4 with lifetime to me for $550 and given that once the new models are out the new 4 tuner boxes will likely be replacing the current dual tuner boxes and become TiVo's entry level DVR I do not think that $600 with MSD is out of the realm of possibilities for an upgrade offer (they offered the original Premiere at $470 with lifetime as an upgrade offer).
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I will be day one purchase since I have a home waiting for my Elite.

I would definitely be in for the XL model at 3TB.

I can't see the P5 XL going for more than $499 at launch. I think above that they really price themselves out unless it includes 1-2 Minis at a large discount say $1000-$1100 for XL and 2 Minis with lifetime on all three.
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That is a good point - The least expensive Tivo today is the 2 tuner TiVo @ $150. Personally, I think the new line-up will include:

P5 - 4 Tuner OTA
P5 - 4 Tuner Cable
P5 - 6 Tuner (Cable Only)
P5 - 6 Tuner XL (Cable Only)

That's it - I don't think the new line-up will include a 2 tuner option. And it would make sense for the 4 Tuner OTA/Cable options to be @ the same price point.

Any pricing guesses?
I think the 4 tuner box will be a combined OTA/Cable DVR like the current dual tuner models and will be the entry level DVR.

My guess for price is:
  • 4 tuner = $199 or $250
  • 6 tuner $250 or $300
  • 6 tuner XL model $399 or $450
With Service costs at the current level.

There is also a slim chance the current Premiere will continue and be the only model that can do Analog cable or OTA and an even slimmer chance that it will be replaced with a new dual tuner model that can still do analog cable & OTA. If either happen then the above pricing might increase.
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I don't think Tivo would bother with an OTA-dedicated box. The market isn't big enough. Plus with analog support removed, that makes it easier to make a combined cable/OTA box.

The Premiere and XL launched at $300 and $500. The Elite/XL4 also launched at $500. I'm using those points as my guide.

- $300 4-tuner Cable/OTA
- $400 6-tuner Cable
- $500 6-tuner Cable XL6

All before Lifetime or theoretical launch upgrade offers.

The current platform officially EOL's and they probably all drop in price to between $100 and $300 to dump supply. Analog support will EOL too, so if anyone needs analog get a discounted Premiere during an inevitable sale over the summer while you still can.

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A different product offering for an OTA option might make some sense... The OTA hardware has additional costs, so I am thinking something more in line with:

P5 - 4 Tuner Cable @ $199
P5 - 4 Tuner w/OTA @ $249

Then the 6 tuner options:

P5 - 6 Tuner @ $349
P5 - 6 Tuner XL @ $449 (with built in stream)

Just a swag, but seems resonable...

EDIT: I didn't see your post BJO - I still think it might make sense to break the 4 tuner out and add the additional OTA tuners as an upgrade option. I also think TiVo is going to want to keep a basement price point at at least $250 - a lot of price pressure in Consumer Electronics.
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Why not? The Premiere 4 is $250 + $400 lifetime (with MSD) but with the current promotion that many have been emailed you can get the premiere 4 for $550 total with lifetime. Why couldn't a 4 tuner OTA box come in at $600? Technology usually gets cheaper with time not more expensive.
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Well TiVo has already offered the current Premiere 4 with lifetime to me for $550 and given that once the new models are out the new 4 tuner boxes will likely be replacing the current dual tuner boxes and become TiVo's entry level DVR I do not think that $600 with MSD is out of the realm of possibilities for an upgrade offer (they offered the original Premiere at $470 with lifetime as an upgrade offer).

OK, OK! I guess I may be wrong about pricing.
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A different product offering for an OTA option might make some sense... The OTA hardware has additional costs, so I am thinking something more in line with:
Actually an OTA only DVR has less costs than a cable one - no cable card hardware or certification which is a significant cost.

In any event I agree with those that do not believe an OTA only box is likely, the cost of adding OTA tuners when they are digital only to a DVR is minor and there are many people who want the combined units.
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OK, OK! I guess I may be wrong about pricing.
Well given that at this point all we are doing is guessing I think yours is as good as anyone else's but I certainly hope you are wrong
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