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Old 05-27-2013, 01:54 PM   #1
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Cool "Behind the Candelabra" HBO Liberace Movie

Well, knock me over with a Virgin White Fox boa!

I liked "Behind the Candelabra."

I would have never thought that I could sit through the whole two hours but it flowed.

It was faaaabbbb yeeeeww lus.

I'm sure everybody was thinking that Lee just needed to hang on another 20 (30?) years so he could come out of the closet.

It should be a shoo in for an Emmy for makeup. Before and after plastic surgery, with and without hair, and it holds up in HD. Great job!

Oh. Every time the scene was in the mansion there were yapping dogs in the soundtrack background. Drove my dogs crazy.
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Oh, yeah.

Both Michael Douglas and Matt Damon did outstanding jobs with the roles.

I've got that damned Boogie Woogie song stuck in my head. Need brain bleach.
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Never paid much attention to Liberace. There was a museum sort of near where I lived but I never went. I will Netflix this though and see what the attraction was.
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Never paid much attention to Liberace. There was a museum sort of near where I lived but I never went. I will Netflix this though and see what the attraction was.
On Netflix it might be a while. You can get it on HBO Go.
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Oh, and one thing I didn't know and didn't want to - Not for the Squeemish

Who knew the gay men's lifestyle
Spoiler:
has pitchers and takers - and I guess - suckers, and some think that taking it up the bum is "disgusting" while they're doing the pumping...and why did they say that Lee had implants to keep it up when he was a catcher? I guess that's part of it.

EWW.

BTW, in the "behind the scenes" preview Matt Damon says that he was grateful that Soderbergh "cuts in the camera" so there weren't a lot of takes of those scenes required. When he straddled "Lee" on the chaise lounge he didn't know that Douglas was going to grab his buns.
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Old 05-27-2013, 04:00 PM   #6
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THought Damon was very good. I could never unsee Douglas though.

It also got boring halfway through.
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Old 05-27-2013, 04:24 PM   #7
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Never paid much attention to Liberace. There was a museum sort of near where I lived but I never went. I will Netflix this though and see what the attraction was.
We went to the Liberace museum in LV a number of years ago. It was very cool. Gone now, but I guess they are going to put up another one somewhere in LV, I think in a casino or something. I purchased a couple of silly mementos.

There were cars, pianos, and a lot of apparel and such. It was, supposedly, all of his stuff and not just replica stuff.

As to the subject at hand - the movie - I haven't watched it yet, but hope to watch tonight. I'm very much looking forward to it!
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And I thought I didn't get out much...


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It was surprisingly good. I didnt know much more than his name to be honest but apparently most of my kids toys spurt out his music. The guy knew the piano for sure. Really sad that Scott got addicted to drugs because of Liberacie and that ended up killing the relationship.
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And I thought I didn't get out much...

Funny. I have gotten out but I never asked about or picked up on such. I'm too much of a wimp.
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They say on the Behind the Scenes that Liberace could have been a successful concert pianist but he decided to go into big show business. I always thought he was about a 8.5 out of 10, but built the hype that he was the greatest. As he says in the movie he was a saloon player.
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It just hit me.

The last few generations probably have no idea about Liberace.

They must look at him as we thought of the likes of Al Jolson.
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Old 05-27-2013, 08:08 PM   #14
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I enjoyed this movie and I find Liberace fascinating kind of like Michael Jackson or Howard Hughes. That anyone ever thought he was straight seems as ridiculous today as doctors doing cigarette commercials.

I wonder how accurate the movie was considering it’s based on the word of Scott Thorson who is kind of a shady guy.

One detail that doesn't really come through in the movie is that Scott Thorson was 17 when the relationship started and 22 when it ended. I think that’s pretty significant. From watching the movie, my impression was that Thorson was in his mid-late 20’s when he meets Liberace. There’s a big maturity difference with someone age 17 versus, say 25.
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Old 05-27-2013, 08:36 PM   #15
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I can't wait to watch this all the way through. I caught ten minutes or so on the hotel TV last night. I really enjoyed it.

I find that era and Liberace and his fans just completely fascinating.
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It had some interesting bits. I hadn't heard about it until I saw Michael Douglas talking about it on Graham Norton, and they showed the scene with Rob Lowe where they discussed Scott's plastic surgery. But watching the whole thing I thought it was a bit of a snoozer. Even with all the makeup, it just felt like watching Matt Damon and Michael Douglas fooling around.

I lived in Las Vegas in 1980-81 and met Liberace in the parking lot of the grocery store near my house, chatted about the custom car he had driven there. It's seemed to be common knowledge that he was gay back then, probably since he would frequent a gay bar just down the block from there.
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...I lived in Las Vegas in 1980-81 and met Liberace in the parking lot of the grocery store near my house, chatted about the custom car he had driven there. It's seemed to be common knowledge that he was gay back then, probably since he would frequent a gay bar just down the block from there.
Wait. I thought they never went out! I can't imagine him taking one of the cars to go buy bread.

At the time everybody knew Liberace was gay, but it was supposed to be unsaid. He had all those old lady fans like in the movie how the lady gives the evil look when they say it in the night club.

There were lots of fopsie gay celebrities that were supposed to be harmless fun. Paul Lynde. Rip Taylor. Billy DeWolfe. Rex Reed. Truman Capote. Charles Nelson Reilly.
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Old 05-27-2013, 10:41 PM   #18
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I thought it was ok. Not HBO's best, but decent. Call it a B+. Interesting story.

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Old 05-27-2013, 11:01 PM   #19
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My wife really wanted to watch this, I was not interested but, you know... marriage

I thought the movie was well-acted (although I agree I couldn't un-see Michael Douglass... he's just too unique) and interesting. Still, if I had my preference I'd have done something else with those two hours.
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Wait. I thought they never went out! I can't imagine him taking one of the cars to go buy bread.
Well, it was on the same street as the Liberace Museum and the bar it was claimed he frequented.

I'm pretty sure it was this one. He said he had a 4-door one also.
http://www.garageofawesome.com.au/in...ur-opera-coupe

What was funny is that we weren't looking at his car, but the Clénet that was parked right by it, leaning on his car.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clénet_Coachworks
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During the 70s and 80s I used to see him on TV once in a while, I think on variety shows like the Smothers Brothers and the Carol Burnet Show. I was always struck by how much he enjoyed performing. The more flamboyant he was, the bigger his smile seemed to be. It was a real joy to watch him.
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I have know about givers and takers for years. The Old Norse thought it was OK to be a giver but effeminate to be a taker.
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Just an FYI, the title of the movie is actually "Behind the Candelabra". I tried searching for "beyond" on the DirecTV app on my phone and it wasn't found. Looking through the HBO schedule manually, I was able to find the correct title.

I guess I know who Liberace was. I don't really care about him, but for some reason, I'm a little interested in the movie. Maybe because of who stars in the movie. Not really sure. Just set my DVR to record it.
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I have know about givers and takers for years. The Old Norse thought it was OK to be a giver but effeminate to be a taker.

Yes...some are one, some are both...aka as 'catchers and pitchers', sometimes.

And, yes, because "receiving/catching/taking" is perceived as being more "female", that is why some men won't do that....
h-m-m-m...a little bit of evidence of sexism and misogyny, right there. It's the "getting screwed/f__ked", etc. There's not a lot of patience among some men, with "being the woman" (even though it might not at all translate to their 'role" in life or the relationship).

And some men don't consider themselves "gay" (as evidenced by Matt Damon's character, identifying as bisexual ..) if they don't "catch, take, receive".... There's all sorts of ways for people to deny they're gay and that's just one. If people could just 'come out' and be left alone, but we're not there yet.
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Just an FYI, the title of the movie is actually "Behind the Candelabra". I tried searching for "beyond" on the DirecTV app on my phone and it wasn't found. Looking through the HBO schedule manually, I was able to find the correct title.

I guess I know who Liberace was. I don't really care about him, but for some reason, I'm a little interested in the movie. Maybe because of who stars in the movie. Not really sure. Just set my DVR to record it.
I know who Liberace was but don't really care. I do want to see the movie though even more now because I caught a few minutes of it after I stopped watching something this weekend. Douglas and Damon are just awesome and I had to stop myself from just watching it at that point instead of waiting and seeing it from the beginning.
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Ken Levine's review...

http://kenlevine.blogspot.com/2013/0...my-review.html

One of the things that stuck in my head while watching was Lee talking about suing the tabloid that made the gay reference. One has to wonder how he won that. So did Ken...
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The movie makes reference to Liberace successfully suing a London tabloid for claiming he was gay. Either Liberace had the greatest attorney in legal history or the London jury was worse than the O.J. jury because no one on the planet Earth, including barnyard animals, believed he was straight. I was six and I knew he was gay… and I didn’t know what gay meant.
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I have know about givers and takers for years. The Old Norse thought it was OK to be a giver but effeminate to be a taker.
The Romans and prisoners everywhere agree.

I can't help but think of the variety tv shows like the Ed Sullivan show that had such a variety of acts on each week like Liberace.
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Ken Levine's review...

http://kenlevine.blogspot.com/2013/0...my-review.html

One of the things that stuck in my head while watching was Lee talking about suing the tabloid that made the gay reference. One has to wonder how he won that. So did Ken...


[Aside: If you're not reading Ken's blog daily, you are missing a GREAT read. He's a TV writer with A+ creds, who writes a funny and insightful blog. Lots of TV references and inside comments from someone on the... inside.]
This is the second time I've seen Ken Levine's name in the last week or two. I was about to ask who the heck this guy is. So, nice of you to add the "aside" and answer my question a head of time.
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I know you have to take a lot of these stories with a grain of salt, but I was horrified at the part where Liberace wanted Scott to have plastic surgery in order to look more like him. I was even more horrified that he went along and had it done.

Rob Lowe was creepy good as the plastic surgeon and I would have never in a million years guessed who was playing Liberace's mother until I saw her in the "making of" show.
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I know you have to take a lot of these stories with a grain of salt, but I was horrified at the part where Liberace wanted Scott to have plastic surgery in order to look more like him. I was even more horrified that he went along and had it done.
I was waiting for the (busting out laughing) "We were putting you on!"

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The makeup people did a fabulous job!
Yep. You saw Robb Lowe talking about how they had all kinds of tape under his wig pulling his face to make him look way over-surgeried. He says it hurt like hell.
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